Mini 1238 - One After the Other - Over!

[Zdenek]

Vote ashblade

Pseudo is also scum.

[Zdenek]

Is there a miller in the game?

[Zdenek]

For future reference.

[Zdenek]

Why the hell is Whispersilk town by the way?

[Zdenek]

So Ashblade's motivations aren't townie in the least. Just look at his reads and notice that he doesn't say what he thinks about TK and Pseudo, two people actually guilty of reasonable scum tells (laziness and fencesitting), and decided to put a pressure vote on Monk.

Lynch him now please.

[Zdenek]

Yeah, but ashblade doesn't look scummy. Ashblade is Not Scum.

Okay

Unvote
Vote Empking

[Zdenek]

I started isoing him with the intent to find scummy stuff to lynch, but Ash has probvided content on EVERY post so far.

Silly me for thinking that you had a real reason.

[Zdenek]

I started isoing him with the intent to find scummy stuff to lynch, but Ash has probvided content on EVERY post so far.

Silly me for thinking that you had a real reason.

So what are you going to do with this information?

Keep it in mind.

[Zdenek]

Whiskers is very likely town just for saying that she wants to lynch Monk because of something that is happening in another game.

[Zdenek]

Killjoy could very well be scum after that long post she just made. She defends Monk as town just because of his join date, which of course doesn't stop people from drawing scum. To me this claim looks like buddying with Hiraki for voicing a similar thought earlier. Attack on Whiskers for vote switching is weak. The attempt to call two of the scum team on day one and on page seven for terrible reasons is faking content and attempting to appear useful - it's pointless because of how likely it is to be wrong (in this case, I know she is wrong).

[Zdenek]

Scum on day one probably don't say things like that.

[Zdenek]

Mute, why do you think the post you quoted was fluff?

[Zdenek]

Just to be clear, my post about Whiskers being likely town had nothing to do with meta. When scum make up reasons for the shit they do, they try to go with credible reasons, not grudges from other games. Plus, it's a hard excuse to fake. By no means am I saying it clears Whiskers, but it's enough for me to say that she'd be a bad day one lynch.

[Zdenek]

How about we wagon Empking who's nitpicking over RVS actions and avoiding this thread while posting elsewhere.

[Zdenek]

Prior to that post, you hadn't posted in this game in something like two days, while posting elsewhere on the site.

[Zdenek]

What have I been avoiding?

Posting in this thread.

[Zdenek]

If Zdenek cannoty give a specific reason why I would be avoiding this thread at this moment then look at this post from anoher game: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3355849

Overall rate is irrelevant. It has do with the fact that you hadn't posted here; additionally, the period of inactivity followed me voting you.

[Zdenek]

I didn't vote you because of your average posting rate in this game. I never even mentioned average posting rate.

I think that it is a scum tell for a player not post while posting in other games especially if it occurs after someone votes them.

[Zdenek]

I didn't vote you because of your average posting rate in this game. I never even mentioned average posting rate.

I think that it is a scum tell for a player not post while posting in other games especially if it occurs after someone votes them.

Why?
Why did this "especially if it occurs after someone votes them" come so belatedly?

Because scum lurk to avoid pressure.
I don't think it came late.

[Zdenek]

I didn't vote you because of your average posting rate in this game. I never even mentioned average posting rate.

I think that it is a scum tell for a player not post while posting in other games especially if it occurs after someone votes them.

...
are you serious?

I asked you a question earlier, what about my post about Killjoy did you find fluffy?

[Zdenek]

I didn't vote you because of your average posting rate in this game. I never even mentioned average posting rate.

I think that it is a scum tell for a player not post while posting in other games especially if it occurs after someone votes them.

Why?
Why did this "especially if it occurs after someone votes them" come so belatedly?

Because scum lurk to avoid pressure.
I don't think it came late.

It came in your fourth post on this subject + after your post responding to me asking you what I was avoiding.

The fact that all of this happened after I voted you is obvious.

[Zdenek]

I didn't vote you because of your average posting rate in this game. I never even mentioned average posting rate.

I think that it is a scum tell for a player not post while posting in other games especially if it occurs after someone votes them.

...
are you serious?

I asked you a question earlier, what about my post about Killjoy did you find fluffy?

You mean this?

..wow that took all of 10 minutes.

Vote Zdenek

Nothing substantial from this guy.

Killjoy could very well be scum after that long post she just made. She defends Monk as town just because of his join date, which of course doesn't stop people from drawing scum. To me this claim looks like buddying with Hiraki for voicing a similar thought earlier. Attack on Whiskers for vote switching is weak. The attempt to call two of the scum team on day one and on page seven for terrible reasons is faking content and attempting to appear useful - it's pointless because of how likely it is to be wrong

(in this case, I know she is wrong)

.

All of this? I wipe my bum with better fluff than this.
His first(ish) post asking for millers? Yeah not liking it.

Whiskers and Empking are my stronger town-reads, and I've my eye on Friend. Everyone else is in the middle.

The bold was the only thing of use from your post. How are you sure of that?

This is Mute avoiding answering a direct question about his motivation behind something he said.

Unvote
Vote Mute

[Zdenek]

This

The bold was the only thing of use from your post. How are you sure of that?

Is not a substantial answer.

Fixed some tags with my screwdriver. Yeah I love double entendres.

[Zdenek]

Mute, yes I was serious about avoiding the thread being scummy, yes that is the post I meant and yes I am sure that I am town.

[Zdenek]

The bold was the only thing of use from your post.

Therefore, the REST of it was Not useful.
AKA, Fluff.

Substantial answer is substantial.

This

The bold was the only thing of use from your post. How are you sure of that?

Is not a substantial answer.

I think it is

Mute, yes I was serious about avoiding the thread being scummy, yes that is the post I meant and yes I am sure that I am town.

I think the question is more, how do you know that Whiskers is town.

[Zdenek]

The bold was the only thing of use from your post.

Therefore, the REST of it was Not useful.
AKA, Fluff.

Substantial answer is substantial.

The post wasn't fluff. Killjoy's defence of Monk was stupid and it looks to me like a poorly copied version of Hikari's argument. Attacks made against people for weak reasons should be pointed out, attempts to call two of the scum team this early are stupid, probably wrong and provide a way for scum to fake scum hunting/setup lynches.

This

The bold was the only thing of use from your post. How are you sure of that?

Is not a substantial answer.

I think it is

You are wrong. It fails to explain why he feels that the rest of the post is fluff.

Mute, yes I was serious about avoiding the thread being scummy, yes that is the post I meant and yes I am sure that I am town.

I think the question is more, how do you know that Whiskers is town.

I've explained why I think Whiskers is town already.

I don't think that scum are likely to try to explain their actions by blaming something is happening in another game. The fact is that it is a terrible reason for doing something and scum is far more likely to make up something that is plausible and relevant. In this case, that would have been easy because of monk's "trap."

[Zdenek]

quote tag fail.

[Zdenek]

Mute, on what issue did I fencesit?

[Zdenek]

Mute, on what issue did I fencesit?

Here, let me show you.
Your second and third posts aren't fence-sitting, but I disapprove of you flat out asking if there's a miller in the setup. But what really sucked about it was your response to being asked why you even brought that up. By saying "for future reference," you imply you've got confidence in staying alive.

It's for future reference for everybody.

Here you flat out call ashblade scummy, but instead of voting him, you in your next post voted for Empking.. while a wagon for monk was building steam? That I don't get.

Well, I did vote for Ashblade. I changed my vote because of the tone of Whisker's post saying that he was town - the caps in the wording in particular. I voted Empking because of his pedantry over the RVS business, something that I have seen him do as scum in CYS: A Monument of Sins, and that I think is independently scummy. He responded to my vote, by avoiding the thread, and continues to be scummy.

Nor this.. how can someone be town by reasons of "oh something's going on in another game so they must be town based on that?" That flat out blows me away. The actions of one game should affect that game only, and any attempt to connect one players actions across two active games is misguided. Do you know the alignment of either player in the other game? Even then, do you know the alignment of either player in this game? If no for either one, or both, then using another game to justify a players actions towards any motivation is bad. Plus your justification for that view is flat out misguided.

Here is an example of me being right about that town-tell: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3325627

You're speaking in strong absolutes, accusing what, 3 or 4 people of being scum, and instead of voting them, you're voting for me and empking for asinine reasons. You're sitting on the fence because you're saying X, Y, and Z are scum, but not voting them. The way you word your responses speaks of whole-truths, and you always word them to be able to twist them to your liking upon being questioned.
You've stated indirectly (at least) twice you're confident about staying alive.
I aim to disprove that based on the reasons listed above.

I'm voting for you because I think you are scum making shit up. You voted for me after killjoy wrote a wall and your reason was that I made a fluffy post. When questioned about it, you failed to answer and responded by brushing the question off with a flippant remark. Then when someone else answered the question for you,monk, you sheeped his response. Now when questioned about that, you failed to answer again. In fact, you've flat out contradicted yourself, by at accusing me of fencesitting, and accusing me of speaking in absolutes and whole-truths. This last point about me fencesitting by not voting for all my suspects is garbage because I have only one vote.

[Zdenek]

Mute is blathering scum and I won't be responding to that post.

[Zdenek]

Whiskers, is there anything in particular in Mute's post that you would like me to respond to?

Team hunting and having two suspects is different.

[Zdenek]

What post of Mute's are you referring to?

Post 221

[Zdenek]

That post is so fucking confusing I don't even know who said what. It looks like bold allthrougought, and then at the end there's bold responding to the bold.

But I"m not going to tutor you-- Yes, I think you should respond to it. I think it would be good. Of course, if you're scum, the more you say, the more likely you are to out oyur partner.

I think that post is just scum garbage and I'm not going to respond to it point by point. I figured that since you're voting me for not responding to it, there'd be something there that you actually thought warranted a response.

[Zdenek]

Ashblade - I agreed with Friend's observation about him and voted. Pseudo is also obviously scummy.

Changing my vote from Ashblade at your request was for a good reason that I see no pro-town reason to share.

I've seen that town-tell work in the past and I'm applying it again. I am not saying that it was pro-town action at all, but that it is something that scum are unlikely to do.

[Zdenek]

Zedenek, how does me saying that you and Whiskers are scum make me scum? I see people do it all the time. Your recent posts have made me think that you are town, but your first posts are just horrible.

It doesn't

make

you scum, but trying to tie players together early on such little evidence is scummy.

My early posts were awesome. They outed Mute as very likely scum.

Mute: I'm honestly feeling a town read out of this one. I can't find anything I dislike that makes him stick out. Maybe I need a more depth reason but he's providing out good content when he can post. (Town read, etc)

Are you reading his posts? He sees Killjoy's post, sheeped it, adding his own reason.When questioned about his reason, he provided a reactive and non-co-operative answer. Then when monk effectively answered the earlier question directed at Mute, Mute sheeped that answer. When questioned about that he again failed to respond. He is garbage posting scum and should die for it.

[Zdenek]

TK,

post 150 - Killjoy votes me.

Mute votes me.

..wow that took all of 10 minutes.

Vote Zdenek

Nothing substantial from this guy.

Killjoy could very well be scum after that long post she just made. She defends Monk as town just because of his join date, which of course doesn't stop people from drawing scum. To me this claim looks like buddying with Hiraki for voicing a similar thought earlier. Attack on Whiskers for vote switching is weak. The attempt to call two of the scum team on day one and on page seven for terrible reasons is faking content and attempting to appear useful - it's pointless because of how likely it is to be wrong (in this case, I know she is wrong).

All of this? I wipe my bum with better fluff than this.
His first(ish) post asking for millers? Yeah not liking it.

Whiskers and Empking are my stronger town-reads, and I've my eye on Friend. Everyone else is in the middle.

I question him about it:

Mute, why do you think the post you quoted was fluff?

His response:

I didn't vote you because of your average posting rate in this game. I never even mentioned average posting rate.

I think that it is a scum tell for a player not post while posting in other games especially if it occurs after someone votes them.

...
are you serious?

I asked you a question earlier, what about my post about Killjoy did you find fluffy?

You mean this?

..wow that took all of 10 minutes.

Vote Zdenek

Nothing substantial from this guy.

Killjoy could very well be scum after that long post she just made. She defends Monk as town just because of his join date, which of course doesn't stop people from drawing scum. To me this claim looks like buddying with Hiraki for voicing a similar thought earlier. Attack on Whiskers for vote switching is weak. The attempt to call two of the scum team on day one and on page seven for terrible reasons is faking content and attempting to appear useful - it's pointless because of how likely it is to be wrong

(in this case, I know she is wrong)

.

All of this? I wipe my bum with better fluff than this.
His first(ish) post asking for millers? Yeah not liking it.

Whiskers and Empking are my stronger town-reads, and I've my eye on Friend. Everyone else is in the middle.

The bold was the only thing of use from your post. How are you sure of that?
also:

How about we wagon Empking who's nitpicking over RVS actions and avoiding this thread while posting elsewhere.

there's nothing, I feel, inherently scummy about not posting in a game thread unless it gets to where (1) they require constant prodding, (2) the [few] posts they have lack substance, and (3) they give no input of their own.
unless I'm mistaken.

This is him avoiding answering a direct question about his motivations, something that town has little reason to do, and if they are doing it for a reason, they'll usually justify it at some point. However, this is not what mute is doing since we later have:

so zdenek, you're changing your question from "what" to "why" I can tell you why I think that post is fluffy. You basically sheep around making any definitive reason why you don't like killjoy and fencesit on a few issues that you bring up. The post is in no way useful to see what is going on with your reads.

That also begs the question of why Mute thinks I'm town.
Y U think I'm town, Mute? And of course, as monk said, Y U think I'm town, Zden?

Your posts ring of a town-vibe to me.

quote tag fail.

Indeed. Monk thankfully has hit the nail on the head with why I brought that up. My vote's comfy where it is for now.

So I ask him,

Mute, on what issue did I fencesit?

Mute, on what issue did I fencesit?

Here, let me show you.
Your second and third posts aren't fence-sitting, but I disapprove of you flat out asking if there's a miller in the setup. But what really sucked about it was your response to being asked why you even brought that up. By saying "for future reference," you imply you've got confidence in staying alive.

Here you flat out call ashblade scummy, but instead of voting him, you in your next post voted for Empking.. while a wagon for monk was building steam? That I don't get. Nor this.. how can someone be town by reasons of "oh something's going on in another game so they must be town based on that?" That flat out blows me away. The actions of one game should affect that game only, and any attempt to connect one players actions across two active games is misguided. Do you know the alignment of either player in the other game? Even then, do you know the alignment of either player in this game? If no for either one, or both, then using another game to justify a players actions towards any motivation is bad. Plus your justification for that view is flat out misguided.

You're speaking in strong absolutes, accusing what, 3 or 4 people of being scum, and instead of voting them, you're voting for me and empking for asinine reasons. You're sitting on the fence because you're saying X, Y, and Z are scum, but not voting them. The way you word your responses speaks of whole-truths, and you always word them to be able to twist them to your liking upon being questioned.
You've stated indirectly (at least) twice you're confident about staying alive.
I aim to disprove that based on the reasons listed above.

So the only rationale he gives for why I am fence-sitting is ridiculous because I have only one vote.

[Zdenek]

Mod: There's an error in the vote count. I believe Monk is voting Pseudo while Mute is voting me.

[Zdenek]

Mod: please prod Whispersilk

[Zdenek]

monk, stop being stupid.

[Zdenek]

So does anyone have a rationale reason for thinking Mute is town?

[Zdenek]

So does anyone have a rationale reason for thinking Mute is town?

He's answered your questions, you're just trying to make it look as if he hasn't

I'm pretty sure that you can't read at this point, and since you're probably town, that's huge shame.

[Zdenek]

So does anyone have a rationale reason for thinking Mute is town?

He's answered your questions, you're just trying to make it look as if he hasn't

I'm pretty sure that you can't read at this point, and since you're probably town, that's huge shame.

good job with that insult

really. i'm impressed.

Do you think Mute answered the questions that I asked him in an acceptable way?

[Zdenek]

You're speaking in strong absolutes, accusing what, 3 or 4 people of being scum, and instead of voting them, you're voting for me and empking for asinine reasons. You're sitting on the fence because you're saying X, Y, and Z are scum, but not voting them. The way you word your responses speaks of whole-truths, and you always word them to be able to twist them to your liking upon being questioned.
You've stated indirectly (at least) twice you're confident about staying alive.
I aim to disprove that based on the reasons listed above.

You could be voting for X, Y or Z. Instead you're voting for A and B, which you don't really have reasons to do so.

That post is just nonsense.

[Zdenek]

yes.

Care to elaborate?

[Zdenek]

You've expressed that Pseudo, Ashblade and Killjoy are scum,

For the record, at the moment, I still think that Pseudo is scummy. I don't think that scum Mute sheeps scum Killjoy, and Ashblade is probably town for using someone's meta from another game to say that I am town.

yet when whiskers says, oh Ash is town, you unvote and vote for Empking, who you haven't mentioned before and have said nothing about.

Empking vote was because of meta from playing with him and further concerns about him were raised based on his play after my vote.

When I question whiskers about her read, you go oh I shouldn't have unvoted then instead of going back to Ashblade you do nothing, then when you express your opinion on Killjoy, (enough imo to vote for him) and then not vote him makes it a fluff post, it is also IIoA and not useful. You have put your vote in places that don't make sense.

I don't have to change my vote each time I express suspicion of someone and Empking hadn't said anything since I voted him.

[Zdenek]

when you express your opinion on Killjoy, (enough imo to vote for him) and then not vote him makes it a fluff post, it is also IIoA and not useful.

This makes no sense by the way. If you think my thoughts on Killjoy were enough to vote him, then the post couldn't be fluff post or not useful.

So you're going to continue to vote someone for meta reasons rather than for someone who you genuinely think is scummy?

It depends on the circumstances.

[Zdenek]

Oops

when you express your opinion on Killjoy, (enough imo to vote for him) and then not vote him makes it a fluff post, it is also IIoA and not useful.

This makes no sense by the way. If you think my thoughts on Killjoy were enough to vote him, then the post couldn't be fluff post or not useful.

So you're going to continue to vote someone for meta reasons rather than for someone who you genuinely think is scummy?

It depends on the circumstances.

[Zdenek]

The fact that you weren't willing to put a vote on Killjoy, says to me that you were trying to set something up without actually acting on it, which to me is a pretty scummy move

What do you think I was trying to set up?

[Zdenek]

well the motivation, would be to set up a bandwagon and not take responsibility for it. This is a scummy thing to do.

Do you think any of my play since then indicates a desire to set up a band wagon on Killjoy?

While we are on the topic of supporting bandwagons with out taking responsibility for them:

Erg.

Zdenek scum senses tingling.

ksaksdjaksldj

So does anyone have a rationale reason for thinking Mute is town?

He's answered your questions, you're just trying to make it look as if he hasn't

I'm pretty sure that you can't read at this point, and since you're probably town, that's huge shame.

good job with that insult

really. i'm impressed.

[Zdenek]

Zed is null-lean town.

Why are you still voting me?

[Zdenek]

You're not saying I'm scummy, but seeking others opinions to, as I will guess, piggy back off of their responses, and formulate a justification from other people for your vote on me.

I've been saying why you are scum for pages.

Why are you asking such an asinine question?

He thinks I am scum because I was "Trying to set something up." I'm questioning him about it in the hope that he'll see the error in his ways if he thinks about it for a bit.

Oh that's right because you're fishing for reactions. Silly me.
[/quote[
Here is confirmation that Mute is scum. If he actually thought that I was scum, he'd be saying that I am asking asinine questions because I am scum trying to active lurk or for some other motivation that is attributed to scum. Instead, he attributed a relatively townie motivation to my actions.

[Zdenek]

Mod: Prod Killjoy please.

[Zdenek]

What are your thoughts on Mute?

[Zdenek]

The fact that everyone is ignoring Mute is driving me crazy, but I'm tired of trying to push it.

Unvote
Vote THirdkoopa

[Zdenek]

Whenever you post about being willing to lynch me you fail to say anything about why you think that I am scum and you're posts even suggest that you think I am town.

Zdenek: I would be half-okay with lynching you now for VCA. A few are suddenly trying to break off the wagon as pointed out, but I really don't know. There's not much sans for the Wagon that makes me believe you're town.

Here you give a reason for thinking I could be town. Compare this to the low barrier for townishness that TK has for some people. Check out his ISO 3 for example.

@Zde: Can you point out where? He said he answered and I didn't see any part lacking it. I'm willing to listen. (Had a lot to catch up on etc)

A willingness to learn from someone you think is scum. I don't think so.

I'm thinking over my options with this game and I'll check out later if there's anything I can comment on. I'd probably vote Zdenek, but that'd place him at L-1, which I'm paranoid over quickhammers (especially if he has a possible claim though yeah basic) and the whole Friend replacement/slow moving thing stopped my motivation to.

You are worried about putting me at L-1 for reasons associated with me being town. This looks like scum trying to seem pro-town by not voting for town and giving overly cautious reasons for their actions.

[Zdenek]

I want to learn because I'm willing to listen. If you flip Town, all the information proves better.

This is just dumb. If I flip town, then all you get to know is that I actually thought it, but that has no bearing on whether what I thought is correct or not.

The Mute case is good so far no one has given any concrete reason that makes me think otherwise.

Worrying about being consistent with suspicions is something that scum worries about.

The fact that you've been saying that your willing to vote me, while hinting that you think I am town is well documented.

Anyway, I that the scum are in:

Mute
TK
Pseudo

I'm null on Whispersilk and Hiraki, so they'd be my next choices.

I think everyone else is town.

[Zdenek]

I should probably move Monk into the null category, just to improve my chances of being 100% right about my town reads . . . I don't like that he's taken to lurking for the past day.

[Zdenek]

Zed's appeal to emotion / guilt tripping in post 336 is noted.

I've explained TK and Mute and Pseudo because he's not doing anything.

Zed's appeal to emotion / guilt tripping in post 336 is noted.

No examples=scum full of shit.

[Zdenek]

Zed's appeal to emotion / guilt tripping in post 336 is noted.

I've explained TK and Mute and Pseudo because he's not doing anything.

PoE too.

[Zdenek]

Well Mute accuses me of AtE and guilt-tripping and then points out things that he thinks sound bad. This combined with everyone's reactions to him is making me have a change of heart about Mute.

Wagon analysis:
Zdenek - Killjoy, Mute, empking, monk, Whiskers, Thirdkoopa (L-1)

My feeling is one or two scum in - Killjoy, Emoking and TK

Everyone else:
Ashblade, Hiraki, Friend, Pseudonymous, whispersilk

My guess is one or two scum in Hiraki, Pseudo, whispersilk.

[Zdenek]

I'm a townie.

[Zdenek]

After reviewing ISOs, the scummiest people who aren't lurking at the moment are Hiraki, Mute and TK. I've already said why I find them scummy.
The lurkers are Killjoy, pseudo and Whispersilk. Killjoy is somewhat scummy for leaving his vote on me after saying that I am a leaning town read for him, pseudo has said almost nothing all game, and Whispersilk has posted numerous times elsewhere on site without posting here. This looks terrible because a lynch is so close to occurring.

I've become torn on Mute because he keeps on lying about why he finds me scummy and I can't tell if this is because he is dumb or scum.

[Zdenek]

Pseudo was last seen online last night, but hasn't posted since Wednesday.

[Zdenek]

Well, if I was alive tomorrow, I'd probably want to lynch KJ, Ps, or Whispersilk. Their activity while there's a wagon on town reeks of scum. Basically they are sitting back and lurking while town lynches town and not getting their hands dirty.

[Zdenek]

I've already said why I find them scummy.

mhmm.

You call me null until like nowish where I'm scum.

And you haven't said much about me.

You've probably said stuff about TK and Mute.

But don't put me where I don't belong.

I don't need to write an essay. I've seen you as town and you tried. Here all I see is laziness. Couple that with your pushing of my wagon earlier without voting and your phrasing of the post where you said that you thought I was perhaps town, you get to scummy.

[Zdenek]

Everyone: who are your suspects besides me.

[Zdenek]

He votes Zednek at probably the most opportune time where it is likely to be forgotten and lost (in between two large walls)

I honestly laughed. You honestly think I used my psychic abilities to post before a wall?

Ninja'd


Also, that wasn't a hammer

[Zdenek]

You complain about Mute avoiding answering questions, yet you completely exaggerate a post to the point that its original meaning is lost.

Where did I do that, and what does the second part of the sentence have to do with the first (I mean why is that"yet" there?)

Once Mute hopped onto your wagon, that is when your posts started going from nothing to something and even then they accomplished very little other than tunneling.

The fact that people refuse to listen to me has no bearing on my alignment.

In regards to me "tieing two players together", you are full of shit. Your very first post is the same exact thing that I did, yet you claim that you are not scum. Ya. Ok.

Having two suspects and tying two people together as teammates are different.

Outed Mute as very likely scum? You talk about other people and yourself going from absolute... to non absolute. You said that Mute was scum, yet now you say he is likely scum? Later you also said "if I flip town..". Why are you using so much WIFOM?

1) Where did I talk about going from absolute to non-absolute (and even if I did, I don't see how having changing reads is scummy.
2) If I flip town, . . . I was and still am hoping to not be lynched today.
3) WIFOM is unavoidable.

Just because that Mute gave an answer you didn't like doesn't mean that the answer is wrong.

His answer was scummy, not wrong.

What a horrible post. Once he finally realizes that his wagon on Mute is going absolutely no where he tries to push on other people in the hopes that pressure on his wagon will dissipate.

I'm doing exactly what town should do, try to get someone I think is scum lynched. Since I couldn't get my favourite scum lynched, I moved on.

At this point in the game I think Zednek is on major damage control. He is caught scum and he is simply calling anything that is even remotely scummy as scummy motivation so that he can create enough confusion, paranoia, and WIFOM for when he does flip scum.

I am town analyzing the wagon on me.

[Zdenek]

He votes Zednek at probably the most opportune time where it is likely to be forgotten and lost (in between two large walls)

I honestly laughed. You honestly think I used my psychic abilities to post before a wall?

Ninja'd

?

I was going to comment about the psychic abilities thing.

[Zdenek]

Killjoy's "case" on me contains too much rhetoric and false certainty to be coming from town.

Vote Killjoy{/b]

[Zdenek]

Vote Killjoy

[Zdenek]

Best places to look for scum:

2. ThirdKoopa*
3. Hiraki
4. Mute*
9. Whispersilk*
12. Killjoy*

I strongly feel that only one of Mute and Killjoy is scum.