Mini 1238 - One After the Other - Over!

[Zdenek]

I didn't vote you because of your average posting rate in this game. I never even mentioned average posting rate.

I think that it is a scum tell for a player not post while posting in other games especially if it occurs after someone votes them.

Why?
Why did this "especially if it occurs after someone votes them" come so belatedly?

Because scum lurk to avoid pressure.
I don't think it came late.

It came in your fourth post on this subject + after your post responding to me asking you what I was avoiding.

The fact that all of this happened after I voted you is obvious.

[Zdenek]

I didn't vote you because of your average posting rate in this game. I never even mentioned average posting rate.

I think that it is a scum tell for a player not post while posting in other games especially if it occurs after someone votes them.

...
are you serious?

I asked you a question earlier, what about my post about Killjoy did you find fluffy?

You mean this?

..wow that took all of 10 minutes.

Vote Zdenek

Nothing substantial from this guy.

Killjoy could very well be scum after that long post she just made. She defends Monk as town just because of his join date, which of course doesn't stop people from drawing scum. To me this claim looks like buddying with Hiraki for voicing a similar thought earlier. Attack on Whiskers for vote switching is weak. The attempt to call two of the scum team on day one and on page seven for terrible reasons is faking content and attempting to appear useful - it's pointless because of how likely it is to be wrong

(in this case, I know she is wrong)

.

All of this? I wipe my bum with better fluff than this.
His first(ish) post asking for millers? Yeah not liking it.

Whiskers and Empking are my stronger town-reads, and I've my eye on Friend. Everyone else is in the middle.

The bold was the only thing of use from your post. How are you sure of that?

This is Mute avoiding answering a direct question about his motivation behind something he said.

Unvote
Vote Mute

[monk]

I thought that was a pretty substantial answer. The only thing that's

not

fluffy about your post on Zdenek is that in bold. And the bolded bit is strange.

VOTE: zdenek

You're pulling people up on nonsensical reasons have a vote flavoured cookie for your troubles

[Mute]

I didn't vote you because of your average posting rate in this game. I never even mentioned average posting rate.

I think that it is a scum tell for a player not post while posting in other games especially if it occurs after someone votes them.

...
are you serious?

I asked you a question earlier, what about my post about Killjoy did you find fluffy?

You mean this?

..wow that took all of 10 minutes.

Vote Zdenek

Nothing substantial from this guy.

Killjoy could very well be scum after that long post she just made. She defends Monk as town just because of his join date, which of course doesn't stop people from drawing scum. To me this claim looks like buddying with Hiraki for voicing a similar thought earlier. Attack on Whiskers for vote switching is weak. The attempt to call two of the scum team on day one and on page seven for terrible reasons is faking content and attempting to appear useful - it's pointless because of how likely it is to be wrong

(in this case, I know she is wrong)

.

All of this? I wipe my bum with better fluff than this.
His first(ish) post asking for millers? Yeah not liking it.

Whiskers and Empking are my stronger town-reads, and I've my eye on Friend. Everyone else is in the middle.

The bold was the only thing of use from your post. How are you sure of that?

This is Mute avoiding answering a direct question about his motivation behind something he said.

Unvote
Vote Mute

Funny, I answered your question, but you've yet to answer mine.

[Zdenek]

This

The bold was the only thing of use from your post. How are you sure of that?

Is not a substantial answer.

Fixed some tags with my screwdriver. Yeah I love double entendres.

[Zdenek]

Mute, yes I was serious about avoiding the thread being scummy, yes that is the post I meant and yes I am sure that I am town.

[Hiraki]

Erg.

Zdenek scum senses tingling.

ksaksdjaksldj

[Whiskers]

The bold was the only thing of use from your post.

Therefore, the REST of it was Not useful.
AKA, Fluff.

Substantial answer is substantial.

[Whiskers]

Hikari, It's sooooo ohard to understand you. Your second-to-last post is the only one that made any sense, and at the time, "What I was doing righ tnow" was drinking a root-beer and I stopped that. Are you happy? Because I'm not.

[monk]

This

The bold was the only thing of use from your post. How are you sure of that?

Is not a substantial answer.

I think it is

Mute, yes I was serious about avoiding the thread being scummy, yes that is the post I meant and yes I am sure that I am town.

I think the question is more, how do you know that Whiskers is town.

[Zdenek]

The bold was the only thing of use from your post.

Therefore, the REST of it was Not useful.
AKA, Fluff.

Substantial answer is substantial.

This

The bold was the only thing of use from your post. How are you sure of that?

Is not a substantial answer.

I think it is

Mute, yes I was serious about avoiding the thread being scummy, yes that is the post I meant and yes I am sure that I am town.

I think the question is more, how do you know that Whiskers is town.

[Whiskers]

That also begs the question of why Mute thinks I'm town.
Y U think I'm town, Mute? And of course, as monk said, Y U think I'm town, Zden?

[Zdenek]

The bold was the only thing of use from your post.

Therefore, the REST of it was Not useful.
AKA, Fluff.

Substantial answer is substantial.

The post wasn't fluff. Killjoy's defence of Monk was stupid and it looks to me like a poorly copied version of Hikari's argument. Attacks made against people for weak reasons should be pointed out, attempts to call two of the scum team this early are stupid, probably wrong and provide a way for scum to fake scum hunting/setup lynches.

This

The bold was the only thing of use from your post. How are you sure of that?

Is not a substantial answer.

I think it is

You are wrong. It fails to explain why he feels that the rest of the post is fluff.

Mute, yes I was serious about avoiding the thread being scummy, yes that is the post I meant and yes I am sure that I am town.

I think the question is more, how do you know that Whiskers is town.

I've explained why I think Whiskers is town already.

I don't think that scum are likely to try to explain their actions by blaming something is happening in another game. The fact is that it is a terrible reason for doing something and scum is far more likely to make up something that is plausible and relevant. In this case, that would have been easy because of monk's "trap."

[Zdenek]

quote tag fail.

[Hiraki]

Hikari, It's sooooo ohard to understand you. Your second-to-last post is the only one that made any sense, and at the time, "What I was doing righ tnow" was drinking a root-beer and I stopped that. Are you happy? Because I'm not.

Because there is no reason to be sad, I am happy.

For now.

[monk]

so zdenek, you're changing your question from "what" to "why" I can tell you why I think that post is fluffy. You basically sheep around making any definitive reason why you don't like killjoy and fencesit on a few issues that you bring up. The post is in no way useful to see what is going on with your reads.

[Mute]

That also begs the question of why Mute thinks I'm town.
Y U think I'm town, Mute? And of course, as monk said, Y U think I'm town, Zden?

Your posts ring of a town-vibe to me.

quote tag fail.

Indeed. Monk thankfully has hit the nail on the head with why I brought that up. My vote's comfy where it is for now.

[Zdenek]

Mute, on what issue did I fencesit?

[Mute]

Mute, on what issue did I fencesit?

Here, let me show you.
Your second and third posts aren't fence-sitting, but I disapprove of you flat out asking if there's a miller in the setup. But what really sucked about it was your response to being asked why you even brought that up. By saying "for future reference," you imply you've got confidence in staying alive.

Here you flat out call ashblade scummy, but instead of voting him, you in your next post voted for Empking.. while a wagon for monk was building steam? That I don't get. Nor this.. how can someone be town by reasons of "oh something's going on in another game so they must be town based on that?" That flat out blows me away. The actions of one game should affect that game only, and any attempt to connect one players actions across two active games is misguided. Do you know the alignment of either player in the other game? Even then, do you know the alignment of either player in this game? If no for either one, or both, then using another game to justify a players actions towards any motivation is bad. Plus your justification for that view is flat out misguided.

You're speaking in strong absolutes, accusing what, 3 or 4 people of being scum, and instead of voting them, you're voting for me and empking for asinine reasons. You're sitting on the fence because you're saying X, Y, and Z are scum, but not voting them. The way you word your responses speaks of whole-truths, and you always word them to be able to twist them to your liking upon being questioned.
You've stated indirectly (at least) twice you're confident about staying alive.
I aim to disprove that based on the reasons listed above.

[Empking]

Unvote, Vote: Zdenek

[Zdenek]

Mute, on what issue did I fencesit?

Here, let me show you.
Your second and third posts aren't fence-sitting, but I disapprove of you flat out asking if there's a miller in the setup. But what really sucked about it was your response to being asked why you even brought that up. By saying "for future reference," you imply you've got confidence in staying alive.

It's for future reference for everybody.

Here you flat out call ashblade scummy, but instead of voting him, you in your next post voted for Empking.. while a wagon for monk was building steam? That I don't get.

Well, I did vote for Ashblade. I changed my vote because of the tone of Whisker's post saying that he was town - the caps in the wording in particular. I voted Empking because of his pedantry over the RVS business, something that I have seen him do as scum in CYS: A Monument of Sins, and that I think is independently scummy. He responded to my vote, by avoiding the thread, and continues to be scummy.

Nor this.. how can someone be town by reasons of "oh something's going on in another game so they must be town based on that?" That flat out blows me away. The actions of one game should affect that game only, and any attempt to connect one players actions across two active games is misguided. Do you know the alignment of either player in the other game? Even then, do you know the alignment of either player in this game? If no for either one, or both, then using another game to justify a players actions towards any motivation is bad. Plus your justification for that view is flat out misguided.

Here is an example of me being right about that town-tell: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3325627

You're speaking in strong absolutes, accusing what, 3 or 4 people of being scum, and instead of voting them, you're voting for me and empking for asinine reasons. You're sitting on the fence because you're saying X, Y, and Z are scum, but not voting them. The way you word your responses speaks of whole-truths, and you always word them to be able to twist them to your liking upon being questioned.
You've stated indirectly (at least) twice you're confident about staying alive.
I aim to disprove that based on the reasons listed above.

I'm voting for you because I think you are scum making shit up. You voted for me after killjoy wrote a wall and your reason was that I made a fluffy post. When questioned about it, you failed to answer and responded by brushing the question off with a flippant remark. Then when someone else answered the question for you,monk, you sheeped his response. Now when questioned about that, you failed to answer again. In fact, you've flat out contradicted yourself, by at accusing me of fencesitting, and accusing me of speaking in absolutes and whole-truths. This last point about me fencesitting by not voting for all my suspects is garbage because I have only one vote.

[Mute]

Mute, on what issue did I fencesit?

Here, let me show you.
Your second and third posts aren't fence-sitting, but I disapprove of you flat out asking if there's a miller in the setup. But what really sucked about it was your response to being asked why you even brought that up. By saying "for future reference," you imply you've got confidence in staying alive.

It's for future reference for everybody.

You prove my point, that you left yourself able to twist anything you've said to fit any scenario. Tell me, who would benefit from setup speculation of that degree ("Is there a miller?") other than scum? Whose benefit would it be to have that as reference?

Here you flat out call ashblade scummy, but instead of voting him, you in your next post voted for Empking.. while a wagon for monk was building steam? That I don't get.

Well, I did vote for Ashblade. I changed my vote because of the tone of Whisker's post saying that he was town - the caps in the wording in particular. I voted Empking because of his pedantry over the RVS business, something that I have seen him do as scum in CYS: A Monument of Sins, and that I think is independently scummy. He responded to my vote, by avoiding the thread, and continues to be scummy.

Yes, right, you vote ashblade.. after sheeping along at post 108 and not providing anything with it. I considered that an RVS vote, but maybe I shouldn't have.

Nor this.. how can someone be town by reasons of "oh something's going on in another game so they must be town based on that?" That flat out blows me away. The actions of one game should affect that game only, and any attempt to connect one players actions across two active games is misguided. Do you know the alignment of either player in the other game? Even then, do you know the alignment of either player in this game? If no for either one, or both, then using another game to justify a players actions towards any motivation is bad. Plus your justification for that view is flat out misguided.

Here is an example of me being right about that town-tell: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3325627

I like how you link to a post YOU made in another thread which other people were laughing at / discrediting. If you want to prove a point do it by using someone other than yourself.

You're speaking in strong absolutes, accusing what, 3 or 4 people of being scum, and instead of voting them, you're voting for me and empking for asinine reasons. You're sitting on the fence because you're saying X, Y, and Z are scum, but not voting them. The way you word your responses speaks of whole-truths, and you always word them to be able to twist them to your liking upon being questioned.
You've stated indirectly (at least) twice you're confident about staying alive.
I aim to disprove that based on the reasons listed above.

I'm voting for you because I think you are scum making shit up. You voted for me after killjoy wrote a wall and your reason was that I made a fluffy post.

When questioned about it, you failed to answer and responded by brushing the question off with a flippant remark. Then when someone else answered the question for you,monk, you sheeped his response.

(1)

Now when questioned about that, you failed to answer again

.(2) In fact, you've flat out contradicted yourself, by at accusing me of fencesitting, and accusing me of speaking in absolutes and whole-truths.

This last point about me fencesitting by not voting for all my suspects is garbage because I have only one vote.

(3)

*sigh*
(1) I sheeped monk? Okay. It's not that, oh hey, I'm busy with school and my access time is shitty, and that someone else (not just monk) was able to understand my point and you're being stubborn and not accepting it. No, it's that I'm scum because

I

didn't answer you, and instead let

others

answer for me.
(2) Pot, meet kettle.
(3) LOL. Let me clarify this for you then: You've called how many people scum and NOT voted them, and voted for how many people and justified your vote by calling them scum after the fact? In other words, you'll accuse someone of being scum and not vote them, but vote others and call them scum after voting them. It's almost like you're placing votes and justifying them AFTER you vote them. Odd.

My responses are in bold within your quote.

[Hiraki]

Mod: VoteCount por favor

[Zdenek]

Mute is blathering scum and I won't be responding to that post.

[Whiskers]

In that case, have a vote!

VOTE: Zdenek
That's five, how many to lynch this kid?