Double Vote Mafia -Mini 1239- Over

[AurorusVox]

So, in the first you're defending me by saying it could just be timing rather than opportunistic...then in the second you say I'm being ridiculous?
That's even worse.

[Hiraki]

I don't like the so called case that hiphop supposedly has. His logic in his back and forth with Christine on the last page was weaksauce.

And it's active lurking posts like these:

All I read is blaaaaaaaaargh.

Nothing new.

That make me want to hurl a brick at my laptop.

In other words, I like where my votes are atm.

At least I'm not hypocritical.

Not seeing NSscum.

[ThAdmiral]

Vote count

AurorusVox - 3 (Nobody Special, killerjester, Voidedmafia)
Voidedmafia - 1 (nintendoaddict1)
nintendoaddict1 - 1 (AurorusVox)
Christine - 1 (Alnara)
malpascp
killerjester - 4 (hiphop, Whiskers, Hiraki, Christine)
Friend Mairsil
Hiraki - 5 (nintendoaddict1, Friend Marisil, Nobody Special, Voidedmafia)
Alnara - 1 (Friend Marisil)
Whiskers - 4 (AurorusVox, killerjester, Hiraki, hiphop)
hiphop - 2 (Alnara, Christine)
Nobody Special - 2 (Whiskers)

Hiraki is -2

[Friend Mairsil]

alrighty then. read up on whats been going on, and truthfully dont have an idea as to who scum is. i have yet to see a single tell and most of the arguments on here are not persuading me one way or the other.

however i do have opinions on a few people
AurorusVox - seems to be actively hunting. taking anything and trying to turn it into something even if theres nothing there
Voidedmafia - following the same track as AV
nintendoaddict1 - nothing worth noting, but theres something about his style thats screaming town to me.
killerjester - seems outrageously defensive for his actions. his arguments are basically him just repeating himself.
Whiskers - wanna say townie, but at this point im starting to doubt it. stupid questions need to be answered. you never know when something will come of it.

other than that i got nothing. will continue to read and will post when i actually have something useful to say. so until then

unvote all

[Nobody Special]

#78: First off, uh, no he's not. Those are the only in-game posts he's made so far.
Second, I don't know why he's scummy. That quick unvote and revote is jarring enough to keep him from really being town, yes, but he hasn't really done anything scummy yet.

In your first point, I belive you meant "votes" instead of "posts" -- it reads correctly when using the word votes.

In your second point, to whom do the referents "him" and "he" refer -- me? If so, I fail to see a "jarring" unvote and revote from me; as you pointed out in you first point, those have been (and still are) my only votes in the game thus far.

For ease of reference, here is the linked post from above (#78):

Nopony Special! Why are you changing your votes around so much?
Unvote: ...Idr.

Vote: Nobody Special
Vote: Killer Jester

1: For lurking and changing votes without explanation.
2: Same reasons as before.
Also, AV is acting scummy, why?

As for

WHISKERS,

the above points out at least one of your 'selective reading' episodes. If I have to explain it for you in detail, I will. Just ask.

Also, my "silly question" still stands: Is English your native language? I will not let this go. Please answer.

[Voidedmafia]

So, in the first you're defending me by saying it could just be timing rather than opportunistic...then in the second you say I'm being ridiculous?
That's even worse.

So I can't continue to deride you for being like Internet Stranger and pushing someone as scum without any real basis for it?

NS: The "he" and stuff in the 2nd part is me replying to Whiskers about Vox.

And yeah, that should be "Votes" not "posts".

I don't like the so called case that hiphop supposedly has. His logic in his back and forth with Christine on the last page was weaksauce.

And it's active lurking posts like these:

All I read is blaaaaaaaaargh.

Nothing new.

That make me want to hurl a brick at my laptop.

In other words, I like where my votes are atm.

At least I'm not hypocritical.

Not seeing NSscum.

Who's being hypocritical?

[AurorusVox]

FJDIGFHDSIUGFS

I have provided reasons for all of my votes.
Just because you're too stubborn to admit I've caught your buddies is NOT MY PROBLEM.

[Voidedmafia]

FJDIGFHDSIUGFS

I have provided reasons for all of my votes.
Just because you're too stubborn to admit I've caught your buddies is NOT MY PROBLEM.

Never said you didn't give reasons. I'm saying that they're ridiculous reasons without much to indicate that he's scum, and thus your vote is without basis.

[Alnara]

I keep seeing people wagoning Hiraki for active-lurking but I don't think he is actually lurking or active-lurking at all, just claiming to lurk. To prove this, I will give you the post-by-post for you to evaluate, starting from when Thad starts the game.

post 57 - Makes the first post after the game starts.
post 59 - response to pseudo-omgus.
post 64 - Hiraki's original request to lurk.
post 68, 99, and 102 - The first two posts here are indeed fluff and active lurking, but the third post offers an explanation: "I haven't seen anything worth posting on."
post 108 - Hiraki offers an opinion and a wagon vote. He still isn't giving reasoning but this is participation.
post 111 - Hiraki makes his first argument. Don't let the sarcasm fool you, he just called killer's argument for Voxscum bullshit.
post 112 - And in the next post, Hiraki revises his argument to be more accurate. Not exactly active-lurking.
post 115 - goes into more detailed reasoning on his argument that killer is using bullshit arguments, and cements it with a vote.
post 155 - fluffy, but reminiscent of the fact that the other players are mostly involved in a shouting match of the same two arguments.
post 176 - At this point I'm starting to think that Hiraki's apparent "active lurking" is more reminiscent of his passive-aggressive playstyle than anything else. This post contains an argument against killer AND a request for a case on NS, but is poorly phrased enough to be viewed as active lurking.

tl;dr - out of Hiraki's 11 post-game-start posts, 7 of them contain useful contributions and 4 are fluff. That hardly counts as active lurking.

So we have four

oh and by the way your votecount is wrong, mod

- four votes on Hiraki each for the same reason that, as illustrated, is bullshit. Friend Mairsil I'm willing to give a bit of a pass because it was an uncertain vote and she's new, and NS similarly gets by for now because of his meta for being useless and not explaining his votes until badgered. Voidedmafia and nintendo are pushing pretty hard, though. I need to go reread nintendo, but I'm happy right now with a Voided vote for pushing a wagon hard on clearly false reasoning.

UNVOTE: Christine
VOTE: Voidedmafia

[Nobody Special]

I feel so loved.



....useless?

[Voidedmafia]

4 have anything useful, and 7 are fluff or essentially fluff.

My point is, he has shown an intense willingness to not participate and not try to do anything this game. 'Course, if you woud just let me get through my catchup...

[killerjester]

@Mairsil, what is your stance on the players you've formed opinions on so far.

[AurorusVox]

ALNARA LIVES UP TO HIS AVATAR AND PROVES

HIMSELF

THEMSELVES (?) MY FAVOURITE

CHARACTER

PLAYER IN THE

BOOK

GAME SO FAR

@Voided, why do you need to catch up already?
Is it just an excuse to stay behind current happenings and comment on everything AFTER everyone else?

KILLER I THINK YOU MIGHT BE TOWN GIVEN THE TRAGEDY THAT IS VOIDEDMAFIA
NGDHGFD
LET ME THINK ON THIS SOME MORE

[Hiraki]

KILLER I THINK YOU MIGHT BE TOWN GIVEN THE TRAGEDY THAT IS VOIDEDMAFIA
NGDHGFD
LET ME THINK ON THIS SOME MORE

This.

But I'm kind of sure of it.

Unvote, Unvote
Vote: Voided
Vote: Malp

[Voidedmafia]

@Voided, why do you need to catch up already?
Is it just an excuse to stay behind current happenings and comment on everything AFTER everyone else?

No, I was apparantly wrong in how I thought certain posts felt, and I'm going to make sure I'm not wrong again.

And who said I was gonna stay behind them?

KILLER I THINK YOU MIGHT BE TOWN GIVEN THE TRAGEDY THAT IS VOIDEDMAFIA
NGDHGFD
LET ME THINK ON THIS SOME MORE

Please point to one good reason why you're right, Vox. No, I don't care if you just said it, point to it.

Hiraki: And your reasoning is...?

[AurorusVox]

Voided goes from agreeing with all my posts to having me as scummiest excluding SuperLurker Hiraki despite most other players in the game lurking too

Whee~

Are you scum or a blind townie?

So, in the first you're defending me by saying it could just be timing rather than opportunistic...then in the second you say I'm being ridiculous?
That's even worse.

@Voided, why do you need to catch up already?
Is it just an excuse to stay behind current happenings and comment on everything AFTER everyone else?

[AurorusVox]

(sorry that's three, I got over-excited)

[Voidedmafia]

fuuu-

Fix my quote tags, plz, ThAd?

done, sorta

NOw then, let's go through these

Quote 1: First off, that's according to PAGE 4. NOT Page 8.

And again, I do not neccesarily respond to simple lurking (though I'm annoyed by it), but I do object to active lurking, which Hiraki was arguably doing during the first 4 pages.

Quote 2: Misrep of what my post was saying. I explained why you were wrong, and I'll get to linking that post when I get back around to it.

Quote 3: Explained why I'm doing it in the post you're replying to.

Anything else?

[Hiraki]

You're being a bit too hypocritical for my salty tastes.

[Friend Mairsil]

@Mairsil, what is your stance on the players you've formed opinions on so far.

my opinions have already been stated, but i am willing to bet at least one of them is scum. not sure who tho. that comes with me learning ya'lls playstyles first.

[Voidedmafia]

You're being a bit too hypocritical for my salty tastes.

And I'm hypocritical...why?

[AurorusVox]

(1)
So you agreed with my posts when you were caught up
Then found the need to delay commenting on anything current to go back and re-read
And seeing that I was a popular mislynch wagon, decided to hitch a ride on it?

Okay mate.

RE: Hiraki, "Oh no that was on page 4!" -- see, you're already doing what I'm accusing you of - remaining caught up in past pages to keep your bad reads in place.

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(2)
You asked if it couldn't just be the timing, rather than being opportunistic. That means, "could it not be a bad looking town, rather than a bad looking scum" - but then you argue for me being scum. I'm not misrepping, I'm stating what you were arguing and it's plain as day that you can't make your mind up whether to go against me or not. Maybe you thought the rest of town would be blind enough to follow you whilst you pushed my mislynch wagon? Sorry bud, but you tipped your hand too much.

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(3)
Your reason was...you had to re-read to find me scummy?
That makes no sense. That must mean something made you "realise" and go back and re-read those posts. How convenient that you're now reading them in a new light that allows you to say I'm scum. What was it that made you need to go back and re-read? The fact my wagon looked attractive to you? You thought just hopping on would show you for the scum you are so you've had to go back and carve out a contrived response to all of my previous posts, posts that you agreed with at an earlier point?

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Unvote: NintendoAddict
Vote: VoidedMafia

Let's go.

[killerjester]

my opinions have already been stated, but i am willing to bet at least one of them is scum. not sure who tho. that comes with me learning ya'lls playstyles first.

Well you've got four other players in the pool, and given that this is a 12p game I'd say it's very likely one of them is scum, if not more.

I like AVox's case. I feel point (2) is the strongest point in that there is a strong contradiction between what Voided said, "Maybe AVox wasn't being opportunistic, the timing could've been bad," and what he does, trying to push the idea of scum-AVox. I can hardly see a town player pulling this kind of move on anyone. This probably means I was wrong about AVox, as I think it's unlikely scum-Void would bus AVox in such a backfiring manner.

UNVOTE: AurorusVox
VOTE: Voidedmafia

[Voidedmafia]

Voidedmafia's catchup - Page 5

100: Sorry, that post should've been directed at Vox, not you.

102: Yay, more lurking and no help from Hiraki!

103: Or, yknow, he just didn't feel like going that route, like he said? Town should lynch who they think is scummy, yes, but they aso shouldn't lynch who they're not sure about being scummy, and that is another vibe I'm starting to get from that little bit of Nin not voting post-start.

Also, where was support for Nin's vote, anyways?

107: Why is it a scumslip, KJ?

111: Okay, I like this and 112, largely because KJ just made a stupid leap of logic.

114: Sorry, NS, but I don't really get why you're asking Whiskers this.

115: Like the first half, don't quite understand what I'm supposed to glean from "that changes the shape of the table a little bit, doesn't it?"

116: Off-topic question, but who IS that?

118: I wouldn't use ad hom as a scumtell, personally. Both town and scum can do it with equal frequency, so it doesn't really amount to anything useful.

121: Interesting part here is the 3rd and 4th paragraphs. I'll have to go back and look over their little interaction again, apparantly.

Reads as of Page 5:

Vox: No change. 103 does kinda feel like he's trying to misconstrue something, to be honest, but it's not a definite feeling.
Nin: Only post this page is telling Vox that his thing about ad hom was just a statement. Still null.
Christine: Onlly one post asking about EBWOP. Starting to not like the lack of any content, especially since she should've commented about something already.
Malp: Again, where is he?
KJ: tsk, tsk. You pretty much failed to apply a scumtell here, if that's really anything near a scumtell. Not good, Kj. Back down to null with you.
Friend: Apprantly forgot he had more posts. Nothing here, to be frank.
Hiraki: Okay, I like you more now. Good townpoints for those three posts. Now if you can just stop trying to lurk and say you're lurking, we'd get somehwere better. Leaning town.
Alnara: INteresting info in 121. I'll have to look over Hip/KJ on the first two pages later, so he stays null until I can get through that.
Whiskers: small townpoints for sort of calling KJ out for the bad scumtell application, but that's about it. Slightly nulltown.
Hip: No posts. <_<
NS: Not sure why he asking Whiskers that question.

[Hiraki]

Now if you can just stop trying to lurk and say you're lurking, we'd get somehwere better.

Nope.