Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[mastin2]

BTW, by my count, there's 49 votecounts so far. Might do some VCA, but for now, let's look at wagon peaks in ISO.

Skipping the Me-wagon; that's been done to death.

Tomie Uzumaki ( 5 ) -

mastin2, Empking

, Bowser,

Pine

, chkflip

I'm kinda having a hard time accepting that this was an all-town wagon.

hiplop ( 5 ) - Maxous, Torqez, Hirarky,

Toon Fighter

,

paupam's rat

We have confirmation that the scum are willing to vote back-to-back.

hiplop ( 9 ) -

Maxous, Torqez, Hirarky

,

Toon Fighter

,

paupam's rat

,

GreyICE

, Bowser, vezokpiraka,

malpascp

Wagon of 9 can have either two or three. I'm not sure which, though. If it's two, Bowser/CSL and Vezok are confirmed town. I'll be looking into this wagon. See what I think, since determining whether the scum were extremely interested in it is important.

Bowser ( 6 ) - MintKitten, edmund.angles, Empking, zMuffinMan, Hirarky, chkflip

No way is this all town. Between Mint, Edmund, and chk, there's 1/2 scum guaranteed. I don't think their names can be removed. Which--if true--would mean that I've got all I need for the day: a lynch pool of Zdenek, Edmund, and chk. But there's that small risk, that there's only one scum instead of two. Looking at all the votes...

hiplop ( 6 ) - Maxous, Torqez, Toon Fighter, paupam's rat, vezokpiraka, malpascp
Bowser ( 6 ) - MintKitten, edmund.angles, Empking, zMuffinMan, Hirarky, chkflip
mastin2 ( 2 ) - Tomie Uzumaki, Phoebus
Tomie Uzumaki ( 2 ) - mastin2, Pine
zMuffinMan ( 2 ) - somerandomguy, hiplop
Toon Fighter ( 2 )- GreyICE, warriormode

Two scum on Hiplop, back to back. For Vezok to be scum, it'd require three scum to have grouped themselves together. I'm almost ready to call him town for that.
One scum in the (2) voters, with pretty much everyone else confirmed town by now.

That pretty much means there HAS to be two scum on Bowser. (By my count, there's only one person not voting, and if memory serves, they should be alive [I count seven people alive with a vote shown, and there are eight alive right now], so I suppose it's possible whoever this is would be scum, but that doesn't seem that likely.)

...Who was it?

Oh, right, Bowser.


The walls are closing in.

Bits and pieces of evidence, here and there.
"It can't be Bowser/CSL, due to this."
"It has to be one of chk and Bowser due to this."
"It can't be Vezok, due to this."
"It has to be one of Vezok and chk, due to this."


I'm seeing a trend here. Not something rock-solid, but something which is indicating that Vezok and CSL are town.

And if I'm right, if that's what the evidence is telling me, then it's chk who remains in the lynch pool, with Zdenek and Edmund.



Granted, I still think Zdenek is scum, and Edmund's my pick for second scum, but if I'm wrong about one of them, it looks a lot like chk is the most logical choice, when compared to Vezok and CSL.

I'll finish this later. I'm a bit sleepy, right now, so probably not fully coherent, might not be thinking that well.

[Neruz]

Borked this votecount, ignoar

[David Xanatos]

I told you that I was town. And

@MOD: I'm not alive, therefore votecount above is wrong.

</bah>

[Neruz]

Bahahaha. I carefully retooled the votecount in every way except the name of the person being voted.

YOU WILL BE LYNCHED AGAIN!

[David Xanatos]

The nether pits of hell couldn't handle me, they sent me back.

[Neruz]

David Xanatos has been modlynched!

[GreyICE]

I'm sheeping mastin again, wait what no.

Fuck that noise, Zdenek is town.

Here is the list of the living.
edmund.angles
Zdenek
CSL
vezokpiraka

GreyICE

chkflip
mastin2
sorgster

I cross myself out since I am and remain confirmed town. I have theories on why I'm still alive, but they are just theories.

Now Zdenek can't vote today, which is where my suspicions lay, but IPOF I want to see where things are going here:

This post comes very close to clearing Edmund all on its lonesome:

ROFLMAO.

Vote: edmund.angles

Jumping on a wagon that already has a bunch of people on it (many with no or bad reasons) for shit-reasoning like that is bad. How do you expect a game to start exactly? Mastin's "reads" were a way to generate discussion and get us moving from RVS. While they have clogged up other venues for scumhunting by generating too much discussion about the reason for his "reads", this was not Mastin's fault. He hasnt given full reasoning behind his comments for a reason as well (probably to gauge people's reactions) and that should be rather obvious, especially to someone who has been at MS.net for as long as you have. Your last line, about it not being a great loss if Mastin is town, is just awful. You try to exonerate yourself from responsibility by making it out as though it would not matter if he flips town because supposedly he is a hinderance to town either way. That is a classic scum move, and you are now my top scumread.

It's also chainsawing for Mastin.

And this confirms it:

I really dont like the Bowser wagon, mintkitten (who?), edmund, and Toon Fighter are all on it, and I have strong scumreads on edmund and TF. I would support a TF or edmund lynch gladly if a hiplop lynch does not go through.

Good scum might list both their buddies in there, expecting to flip and dumping a load of WIFOM in our lap. This is not that. Edmund = town.

And yep, forced to the wire despite questioning Toon Fighter, he ends on Edmund.

One question is now clear. Edmund.Angles is town.

Six remain.


Amrun spent a lot of time attacking ChkFlip. Including arguing with Mastin about him being definitely town. I can't see Amrun scum bussing like that in a situation where she'd be the only one left in a town full of power roles. Just risky, risky play when there's so many other people around.


ChkFlip is town.

Five remain.

tl;dr CONCLUSIONS:

The most incriminated by TF's ISO are, in rough order:

-Bowser
-Mastin/Zmuffin
-Sorgster
-Edmund

The most town looking by TF's ISO are:

-Mastin/Zmuffin
-GreyIce
-Vezokpiraka

Okay, so lets look at her analysis of her partner's ISO (in retrospect I should be punched in the face for not lynching her my god this is as bad as NGE).

Toon fighter attacking mastin is a fine town tell. Good. Me being near-impossible for amrun scum to lynch, and being confirmed town and all, yeah.


Vezok? Wait, what?

You keep misinterpreting me and accusing me based on things I didn't say/ didn't mean. Your vote (and vezok's after it) just reek of opportunism and poor reading.

Only mention of Vez vez in her ISO... and that's classic distancing.

Someone didn't want to bus...

Vote: Vezok

Vote: Vezok

[GreyICE]

In short order:

Zdenek - very likely town. He reads as town, he thinks like town, and face it, mastin is leading the lynch. The argument with Amrun was weird, but feels like Amrun felt Sorg was a softer target than Zdenek.
Sorg - much townier after amrun flip.
CSL - still feel he's town due to opposing Toon Fighter, but the town cred from that is fading. Very viable candidate assuming Vezok doesn't end this (LOL)

[GreyICE]

TOWN:

MuffinMan
Torquez
Bowser
Maxous

hiplop

Toon
Phoebus

LIKELY TOWN:

Vezok

Hiraki

Pine

DA REST:

malpascp
Prana/Mint
SRG
Uprising/chk
Warrior

SCUM:

Tomie
Edmund

GreyICE

Empking

Pappums

No. I'm NOT wrong about these reads. There might be ONE read in here which is off, but that's pretty much it. Sheep me for the win.

Of course, you'll probably want reasons for these reads. I'll give them, but quite frankly, I shouldn't need to. I'm town. I'm a good scumhunter. I pick up on certain tells which give me the scumteam. And, dang it, hiplop being put to L-3 is the biggest fail I've ever seen.

The reasons will come tomorrow, though, since I'm recovering from the Midnight Showing. (The careful observer will likely note a few things already, though, which are obvious. Anyone who has been in enough games to realize my general playstyle--for instance--will probably be able to figure out why Pine and GreyICE are italicized.)

This would make the list nearly perfectly useless, which would make the game rock.

[mastin2]

Haven't finished my analysis, yet, but on doing some review:
-Zdenek and Edmund can't both be scum. Multiple pieces of evidence suggest this.
-Said pieces of evidence DO, however, suggest ONE of them HAS to be scum.
Zdenek is obviously the larger of my two suspicions.

-chk/Uprising seems to have a lot of early evidence pointing to them being scum.
(Though, admittedly, I'm kinda hoping he's not, for purely selfish reasons. I stopped his lynch on Day Three; I really don't want to have defended scum like that...
......again. )

Still workin', so I'll see what I dig up.

[GreyICE]

Vote Vezok you useless et2t325t

[mastin2]

I just realized something.

GreyICE's powers effectively push lylo back to be a day later.

So, we have an extra mislynch.

So, we have four lynches instead of three.

So,

Unvote, Vote: Vezok

.

No harm in this.

[chkflip]

I follow that logic.

UNVOTE: Zdenek
VOTE: Vezokpiraka

[edmund.angles]

Crap:
1. having lylo pushed back a day is no excuse for not trying lynch scum today.
2. GI could basically be offed at any moment.
VOTE: mastin

Amrun's fencesitting on mastin is also bad.

[mastin2]

See, edmund? Things like that are why people have been calling you scum from day one. Point 2-->fearmongering, and if you really believe that a GI kill would make a difference, you're not taking in part of the equasion which I have.
Point 1-->we are. With four lynches instead of three, we can afford to have four suspects instead of three. In other words, Zdenek, you, chkflip, AND Vezok are all on the chopping block. There's only ONE assumption which needs to be made, and that's Bowser/CSL being town, an assumption I am happy to make.

[sorgster]

See, edmund? Things like that are why people have been calling you scum from day one. Point 2-->fearmongering, and if you really believe that a GI kill would make a difference, you're not taking in part of the equasion which I have.
Point 1-->we are. With four lynches instead of three, we can afford to have four suspects instead of three. In other words, Zdenek, you, chkflip, AND Vezok are all on the chopping block. There's only ONE assumption which needs to be made, and that's

Bowser/CSL being town

, an assumption I am happy to make.

Vote Vezok

I hope this is scum. This better not be another David X.

[mastin2]

...That was the hammer.

During the night, I'm going to try something.

PART ONE: VCA, of all votecounts. Both official and my unofficial ones.
(NOTE: Also take into consideration previous Mastin-Notes about votecounts, including the need to look at the wagon in question and gather more evidence around those circumstances. That'll suck, but will hopefully be worth it.)

PART TWO: ISO of the scum players--Toon, Lew, Pappums, and Amrun. (Phoebus is left out, since his posts were all essentially Mastin-hate.)

PART THREE: Looking at the evidence from the viewpoints of CSL if he were town, chkflip if he were town,

and Vezok if he were town

(no longer necessary, since he was just lynched), since both Parts One and Two are obviously by default my perspective. By looking at these viewpoints equally, I can help show you via process of elimination and deductive reasoning exactly who is scum.


This...will take a while.

But since we just went into night, apparently I have the time.

[GreyICE]

Mastin, my powers only push LyLo a day later if I steal from scum.

[mastin2]

Some elaboration: If Vezok does flip scum, his name will be added to the list of scum players. (I typed that up mostly before the hammer, with only a couple minor edits.)

Part Three is an interesting experiment. By doing it, I'm hoping to remove personal bias from the equasion. To make sure what I'm saying isn't biased from the knowledge I'm town. It'll also be looking into the perspectives of CSL and chkflip, and seeing what they'd see. If one of their viewpoints makes less sense as town, it's a huge strike against them. And/or, if the other viewpoints point to it being one of them, it's more condemning.

For instance, there WERE going to be four viewpoints. If 3/4 viewpoints suggested one player was scum, versus 2/4 viewpoints saying another player is more likely to be scum, the 3/4 would be more likely to be accurate.


Since this is a new tactic, I have no clue how well it'll work, but it's definitely worth a try, if the end result is conclusive.



...Though I just thought of something--this kinda becomes unnecessary if Vezok DOES flip scum, since Zdenek is most likely scum as well. So, for purely selfish reasons (being, I want to do this analysis since it seems cool), I'm kinda hoping Vezok flips town.

[sorgster]

Zdenk died. It said in the title a hero has died so I'm assuming he took a bullet from someone or protected scum.

[GreyICE]

Mastin less town than edmund

[Zdenek]

Sorg, I did not die.

Hezlucky did. I assume he was a bodyguard that kills the attacker. In this case I guess it was Amrun attacking GreyICE.

I am suspicious of CSL since Amrun's flip. He was suspicious of pappums all of day one, but said nothing about him after D1, considering the number of dead scum after N1, there's obvious motivation to do that.

[chkflip]

I really don't like how fast these lynches are lining up. Hopefully this is either the last scum or damn close to it.

[vezokpiraka]

FUCK YOU GI.

FAIL scum team.
I could've won this if my scum team wasn't so fail. Great job guys.

[vezokpiraka]

Oh btw. I think there is a stupid SK left.

Kill him too please. He killed too many scum.

It might mastin because we blocked him night 3.