In post 806, Johhog wrote:Obviously I can't answer about the Paradox part, as I have no idea about his reasoning.
In post 806, Johhog wrote:
The first example is right after he caught up:
In post 210, he says his four scumreads were Ghostlin, Theam, AeRyung and Soulblade. However he only continues his reads on Ghostlin and Theam. Both were the biggest wagons at that time.
Correct. I can't pursue four scumreads simultaneously, so obviously I had to choose my biggest ones. AeRyung was mostly a vague gut feeling I got when I first read the thread. Soulblade's status as scum was at the time, in my mind, very dependant on Ghostlin flipping scum..
In post 806, Johhog wrote:
Well, do you think that I should refrain from posting my opinions just because someone else agrees? I don't think so, eh? As for post #483 I clearly said "If we try to leave all of the WIFOM out", the WIFOM of course being if the kill was designed to frame Theam or not..
In post 806, Johhog wrote:a third example can be found in these posts:
In post 650, he says for the first time that he thinks aobut a CS-Theam scum-team, directly after 4nx said that.
In post 662, he posts that the CS-Theam scum-team looks a lot more possible to him.
And in post 665, I am Theam's scumbuddy. Before 4nx said anything like that he didn't even think of the idea and he switched from "maybe" to "it is" in 15 posts.
I like to reread. IIRC I partly did a reread during that time..
In post 806, Johhog wrote:Johhog on Ghostlin's claim
When Ghostlin had four votes on him and hiplop asks for a claim, he reacts quite odd. His first reaction (In post 255) he said that Ghostlin claiming VT would mean town should lynch him. That way he gives himself a good reason to place the hammer, as he apparently thought that Ghostlin would claim VT. However, after Ghostlin claimed Jailkeeper, his reaction changes a lot. His first reaction (In post 290) he says he doesn't believe the claim at all, with a reason that Ghostlin was just trying to survive as scum. This is odd, because it wouldn't have mattered what Ghostlin claimed: VT means autolynch, PR means scum trying to survive. That is not everything, though. A few posts later (post 296, post 298 and post 305) Scum always fakes PR to avoid being lynched and the claim shouldn't matter at all to the reads. Johhog bent his "rules" about claiming to his scummy liking, so he has a reason to support the wagon.
Yes? VT = Autolynch according to me, at least that early. If he claim a PR we have to think it over a little more, but in Newbie Games scum almost always claim a PR if they're facing a lynch, so therefore it's full of WIFOM and I don't really take the claim into account that often. My philosophy tends to be that we probably should lynch those that we got to a claim (on Day 1 that is)..
In post 806, Johhog wrote:Johhog's self-discrediting
A minor, yet addable reason that has to be mentioned, as well. In post 506, he mentions his own gut to be "paranoid" and says his gut feeling for Stels is "not so strong" and "partially OMGUS". It is a common scum tell for new scum to discredit their own reads. They do that, because it is easy to come off as not very confident and this way that's easy to accomplish.
Oh, this one is complete bullshit though. I'm a very honest player, and I've a hard time to lie even the slightest. I thought it would be fair to tell you that my gut is paranoid, and it's ALWAYS influenced by OMGUS (sadly). How is telling you this a scumtell?.
In post 806, Johhog wrote:Johhog's nervous reaction
I could make a long story, but first read this post:
In post 661, Johhog wrote:4nxi3ty wrote:If theam self - vote Johog =scum.
If he self-votes as town or scum? What do you mean?
When day 2 was halfway done, Johhog treats Theam as obvious scum. Then 4nx says this, and he suddenly wants to know if 4nx means town or scum. He suddenly isn't sure of his scum read whereas in his other posts the only thing he posts is obv. scum remarks. He is nervous as to what 4nx means, as he doesn't want to have suspcions and therefore totally forgot that he had suspicions on Theam. That's nervous scum.
I wanted to convince myself that Theam was scum. I wassosure, but there still was this small voice in my head telling me that he was town based on his late-D2 play. And I asked because 4nxi3ty never explained his post. He still hasn't..
In post 806, Johhog wrote:Oh, a slight thing I noticed: You say "4nx" instead of "4nxi3ty". I'm almost sure you're the only one here who does that. A very small thing, but still interesting..
In post 806, Johhog wrote:CS, in short you're case is very fucking weird. I have to agree with a lot of your case, as it actually describes what I've been doing pretty accurately. I don't get how it's scummy though. To me it seems that you try to paint perfectly normal behaviour and sometimes outright town behaviour as scummy. I don't know what to say, but I don't particularly like the case.
In post 828, 4nxi3ty wrote:thinking johhog and stels might be town buddies and cs/aery couldn't coordinate a quicklynch.
4nxi3ty wrote:thinking johhog and stels might be town buddies and cs/aery couldn't coordinate a quicklynch.
In post 830, Stels wrote:In post 828, 4nxi3ty wrote:thinking johhog and stels might be town buddies and cs/aery couldn't coordinate a quicklynch.
Yet AeRyung has been pushing for a CS lynch. Although not as of the moment... hmm.....
In post 826, ConSpiracy wrote:That doesn't mean it isn't scummy.
In post 826, ConSpiracy wrote:Yeah, but you didn't pursue your other two scumreads at all. That's fake.
In post 826, ConSpiracy wrote:You discredited a theory "you thought of yourself" with those 10 words? No way that would happen, as you would have thought of it yourself as well (the WIFOM part)
In post 826, ConSpiracy wrote:LAWL, one reread makes me from possible to obv-scumbuddy after never having noticed it? Yeah, no.
In post 826, ConSpiracy wrote:You said: "The problem is that if he claims VT, we have to auto-lynch him." If you think the way you are saying now, you'd not have said it this way, but more like: If he claims, we most likely have to lynch him." With this post you said that VT means auto-lynch and leaves a PR open, not that we should lynch regardless of the claim.
In post 826, ConSpiracy wrote:I smell WIFOM. Anyways, it's a scum-tell, because it discredits your own reads. It lets you have less responsibility on your reads.
In post 826, ConSpiracy wrote:I call bull shit. You wouldn't have to worry about it if you had a strongs scum read on Theam as you pretended to have.
In post 826, ConSpiracy wrote:I shorten every name if I am saying it often. And of course when it makes sense.
In post 826, ConSpiracy wrote:That's fine. It's normal if you are scum.
In post 833, 4nxi3ty wrote:In post 830, Stels wrote:In post 828, 4nxi3ty wrote:thinking johhog and stels might be town buddies and cs/aery couldn't coordinate a quicklynch.
Yet AeRyung has been pushing for a CS lynch. Although not as of the moment... hmm.....
nvm i feel better about my vote now.
vote: johhog
In post 831, AeRyung wrote:Considering this game is almost over, I want to be more careful on who I choose to vote for, stels, if that's what you're worried about. Everyone looks scummy at this point. You seem scummy too because it seems like your posts have become non evident since theam has been lynched. Once some had eyeballed you for suspicion, you became gentle and passive, as opposed to being the most verbally aggressive one out of everyone here. Why the sudden change in attitude, cowboy? ;D
In post 833, 4nxi3ty wrote:In post 830, Stels wrote:In post 828, 4nxi3ty wrote:thinking johhog and stels might be town buddies and cs/aery couldn't coordinate a quicklynch.
Yet AeRyung has been pushing for a CS lynch. Although not as of the moment... hmm.....
nvm i feel better about my vote now.
vote: johhog
In post 846, ConSpiracy wrote:unvote: Johhog
vote: 4nxi3ty
Stels, please be quicker with the quicklynch next time. There's a reason it isn't called a slowlynch.