Prozacs Basic Theme 3 - GAME OVER

[Fate]

Oh god Bunny made an EXCELLENT point,

look at this:

Good to see the wheels falling off this dramonic crap.

Nocmen is a better place to look, even if I don't think he's paired with scooby after the last lynch and NKs.

Bunny would be a good lynch though. Oh yeah.

Meh, a reread on Oman nets this. So I'm going to go ahead and go along with it since I think it's an investigation result.

I still want an explanation for Fate claiming scum and I'm not going to forget about it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bunnylover

Look at this yesterday

Not sorry

The cursing at someone aside, I don't like this. If Fate and Mykonian ARE scum fakeclaiming masons, then of course Fate isn't sorry because this lynch prevented their outing. If Fate and Mykonian are town, though, they ought to be sorry from a self-serving point of view because now they can't be confirmed town as easily and it will probably require a lynch to determine their alignment if we don't have another cop role.

I can believe that Fate is not sorry. But I think town OUGHT to be sorry in this position.

She was preparing for a Bunny flip and trying to paint ME AS SCUM for not being sorry for it.

Ergo the no lynch caught her completely off guard

Ergo the governor is town, and Banshee is scum as FUCK who

ACTUALLY

180'd on Bunny.

She went from "OH FATE IS SCUM NOT BEING SORRY FOR BUNNYS MISLYNCH" to "BUNNY IS SCUM SETUP LULZ. FATE IS SCUM 180LULZ. OH OK JUST LYNCH ME FUCK YOU LOL LULZ"

Banshee lynch.

???

Profit.

Look at Para's ISO. Yeah

Nothin.

Look at this shit from Banshee, scummy as fuck stance changing.

Forget massclaim, Banshee dies. No questions. Let's GO

[Nocmen]

Fate. I'm done with your shit.

You're not making any sense at all now. I'm really beginning to doubt your masonry. Not based on meta, solely the fact that you have such a sudden turn around on bunny? Seriously, what reason do you have for that?

I have an innocent on me.

Now unless LOL MYKO GODFATEHR bullshit, Buny Myko and I are ALL tied together

In a game with a SK/two scumteams, if you really believe this shit I'll be forced to fucking lynch the shit out of you.


What sudden turn around?

I WAS POLICY LYNCHING THE BITCH. I MADE THA QUITE FUCKING CLEAR. Then she claimed, then I KNEW she was town but wasn't sorry.

Then she was saved and now we get to keep around confirmed town.

So LOL

ANY FUCKING SCUM

THAT KEEPS PUSHING THIS SHIT

So you believe it without a question?

I can't help trust anything from you anymore. This isn't your game anymore, and I'm tired of everyone blindly following you.

If Bunny lives and lives and lives and confirms everyone but herself as town, then I'd doubt her being a cop.

As it s, yeah I believe her claim.

You can't trust me that's your problem, I'm confirmed town, scum are LULZY enough to keep me alive this long, and I'm gonna kill em all one way or another.

I agree with you as town, but not your play.

[Banshee]

I had no idea how Bunny was going to flip.

As I said, please do go ahead and lynch me. It has been your policy to try to lynch people who questioned your mason claim, so I wouldn't want to stand in the way of your policy lynch.

My policy lynch is to lynch people who claim scum, and I was remiss in not living up to it. So I'm going to go ahead and remedy that right now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fate

[Fate]

K.

Voting the masons confirmed by a cop.

Lynch is a go on Banshee.

[Blackberry]

Blackberry - Nina Jones - Old Woman - Vanilla Townie - Shot outside the casino Night 1

One of the officers ran to the door, finding it once again locked.

"Sam..." The other officer stuttered leaning over one of the bodies. "I... I... think this ones alive..."

GO, ME, GO!

[TheJakalope]

Gotta go with fate on this one. Highly doubt a Myko, Bunny, Fate scum team.

VOTE: Banshee

[Fate]

Finally some fucking sanity.

You know how fucked we are if you're scum Jack?

[TheJakalope]

Fate, I'm curious, have you ever played a game like a normal player?

[Fate]

The fuck is a normal player?

[Fate]

oh yeah I have:

My usual style is admittedly obnoxious, for instance I point things out like

FREEWILL WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING READING THIS FORUM YOU ALT? YOU WANNA A REMATCH?

Which, while self-entertaining, offer nothing of real value to the game (except to show players that are good at reading me that I'm comfortable with my alignment and willing to post whatever the fuck I want.)

Remember Mastin's player list types? I play for fun first, AND to win. My style of playing to win takes a backseat even though I'm a personal believer in it, its not conventional by anymeans and makes me harder to read to the majority of the players on this site. So I would say CAPRSOLLIN style is more optimal for having a good time than for playing to win.

This game is important to me. I'd get a lot more satisfaction out of winning this game (and tournament) than out of posting itself in this game.

Now let's look at the list:
Played with me before and know/tolerate my style
hitogoroshi
Nachomamma8
camn
VP Baltar



Players who hate my style/React to it with anger, replacing out, and policy lynching
Cyberbob
esuriospiritus
Yosarian2


People who I haven't played with/Not sure if they would be able to tolerate my style
bristep123
ConSpiracy
Nicodemus



As you can see I'm pretty outnumbered here. So I'm playing a more conventional game. Now, how does this make me MORE unreadable Baltar? That wasn't the effect I was going for...

I'm actually suspicious of people who AREN"T changing this style for this game. Like Cyberbob, its almost as if he cares more about everyone meta-reading him as town with concise posting than a TOWN WIN (which would be easier achieved if he gave full reasoning for all his reads).

His vote on Nacho doesn't feel geniune. It reads to me like a scum tactic to discredit the notion that Conspiracy is TOWN by attacking the person producing reasoning for it (rather than going for the person people THINK is town, Conspiracy, he goes for nacho who is calling Conspiarcy town. Aka an easier target).

Bristep is quite obvtown this game, which is really refreshing. I do appreciate people who realize that sheeping their town reads is GOOD play to a uniformed town and getting things done, and the way Esurio has gone back and forth with him does not reek of Scum on Scum at all. Esurio is just changing her scumreads to whoever she believes is the easiest person to attack on her wagon, and its pretty transparently scummy of her.

Later: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3174037

OK. I'm going out in five minutes, so the flavour will have to wait til tomorrow.

'Til then, blah blah blah, aggressive mind games, Twistedspoon, Vanilla Townie, has been lynched.

Fate , Mafia Goon, and Nachomamma8, Mafia Odd-Night Tracker, survive and win the game, along with their deceased colleague Fugitive.

Thread will be locked for the moment.

LOL

[TheJakalope]

Eh, you're hard as fuck to read. But, for now, I agree with this lynch.

[Fate]

Uh

I've tied my alignment to two other players

Yeah I agree I'm hard to read

but

seriously

this game

I am so town

it fucking hurts

and is hilarious

I'm not dead

[Banshee]

Wow, Yosarian2 hates your style and replaces out or policy lynches you? He's one of my favourite players in terms of playstyle. I feel a lot more comfortable about my reaction now.

Thank you!

Attempting the mason gambit as scum is a pretty big move for most players. I've never tried it, but I can understand the appeal. In general it would be a towntell (and a major one) to claim masons and tie yourself to another player, but since you have meta of doing so in the past and you apparently pride yourself on a wacky playstyle, I don't regard it as seriously as I generally would.

The mistake I believe you've made, however, is in tying yourself to a third person. I can see your ego driving you to do so, but when you did your sudden about-face on Bunny and then claimed that you'd thought the same way I had that she would be dead (from a nightkill), I started thinking about that. If you'd really thought she'd be dead at the start of this day, you might have come to your current town-Bunny position over time, but I just don't think it's the first thing that would occur to you. In honesty, you have no idea if Bunny is town unless you are scum. You can't; at best you can have a guess, not any real knowledge. You wanted to be confirmed, and Bunny obliged.

Who profits from leaving Bunny and two supposedly confirmed masons alive and going for a nightkill on Oman? When I've been scum I've pushed for nightkills on people I thought were cops; Oman surely acted like he had a guilty on Bunny and that could have been enough if Bunny is scum. But a cop claim is not something that were I scum I'd leave alive, especially if your claim is true. If you, Mykonian and Bunny are all town and supposedly conftown at this point, then scum are leaving too many must-lynch-before-endgame people alive and cannot reasonably expect to win.

But you're right, you've tied yourself to Bunny now in a situation where TOWN cannot know her alignment. Therefore, you must either 1) be scum gambiting ever more wildly in an attempt to amuse yourself and take risks you haven't before, which is weird, or 2) be foolish enough to believe that just because a claimed cop clears you that somehow that confirms the cop. I don't think you're that foolish. Therefore, I think you're scum desperate to amuse yourself and I think your claim has to be tested at some point. Now, or after I'm lynched, it makes no difference to me.

@TheJakalope:
You've seen a fake cop claim before in the game I just ended with you and you've seen them provide innocents for a whole pack of people. You've seen the trend toward claiming scum and the anti-town effects those claims had. Why are you acting like you don't have a clue about the game I've mentioned, since you were IN IT?

[Fate]

^Lol lets lynch this derp.

"YOURE GAMBITING EVEN MORE WILDY HE COP IS SCUM AND YOU ARE SCUM AND YOURE ALL SCUM SCUMSCUMSCUM"

ok

Sure.

Oman surely acted like he had a guilty on Bunny and that could have been enough if Bunny is scum.

Even more lols...

[Banshee]

@StrangerCoug:

Do you see the pointlessness of trying to make a coherent argument/case in this particular thread? Have you, yourself, attempted it?

Do you think a better, more competent player who actually wanted to post content and analysis would do better in it?

The only way to succeed and enjoy this particular game is to just sheep others and forget about contributing. I don't enjoy playing that way, so I think my response is a valid one. At least as valid as posting wall after wall of HERP DE DERP DERP DERP LOL LOL NO CONTENT HERE OMGUS.

[mykonian]

But you're right, you've tied yourself to Bunny now in a situation where TOWN cannot know her alignment. Therefore, you must either 1) be scum gambiting ever more wildly in an attempt to amuse yourself and take risks you haven't before, which is weird, or 2) be foolish enough to believe that just because a claimed cop clears you that somehow that confirms the cop. I don't think you're that foolish. Therefore, I think you're scum desperate to amuse yourself and I think your claim has to be tested at some point. Now, or after I'm lynched, it makes no difference to me.

I hope you don't mind if I quote selectively from that.

2) isn't to be taken serious. Which leaves 1). Which assumes that Fate has the intelligence of a chimp. And you leave out the easiest explanation. Fate didn't consider a cop result that was messed with. As long as you forget that a GF is possible, bunny would have to lie if fate was scum, making him scum too. Ergo, bunny would be tied to us too. Naturally, this doesn't work if Fate is a GF. Which would add another assumption to your "fate is stupid scum who fakeclaims himself into a certain loss for his own fun".

And you left the "but he claimed scum!" away completely. You are adding to your case along the way, always nitpicking on the last post. It's not the way town would ever make a case. You are convinced beforehand, and then make the case. Town would doubt along the way and fall back on earlier tells which convinced them initially. You are playing the fake scumhunting scum perfectly.

[Banshee]

I hope you don't mind if I quote selectively from that.

Not at all. I intend to do the same.

Which leaves 1). Which assumes that Fate has the intelligence of a chimp. And you leave out the easiest explanation. Fate didn't consider a cop result that was messed with. As long as you forget that a GF is possible, bunny would have to lie if fate was scum, making him scum too. Ergo, bunny would be tied to us too. Naturally, this doesn't work if Fate is a GF. Which would add another assumption to your "fate is stupid scum who fakeclaims himself into a certain loss for his own fun".

I have no idea what you're on about here. If Fate and you are scum, you know you're scum. Fate wouldn't have to "consider a cop result" to know his own alignment. I don't know that Fate is scum, but Bunny giving a result on Fate and all three of you being around for the next day is pretty suspicious on SOMEONE's part. And Fate jumping right on the "Bunny is conftown no one dare accuse the Bunny!" after hammering her yesterday is scummy. You know it, I know it, and once I'm lynched MAYBE someone in the town will notice it too. Does it make Fate scum? Maybe. I don't know. But Fate was pushing a policy lynch on Bunny (by his own words) for being useless and lurky and god knows what all, so it's the height of hypocrisy to whine and OMGUS when the same treatment is turned back on him. And if you two ARE town and you're wrong about Bunny, you could lose us the game. If you're scum, I realise you don't care.

You are playing the fake scumhunting scum perfectly.

Really? I made myself a target and people jumped right on. I failed to fall into line with Fate and Fate's stupid gambits and now I'll be lynched for it. That's perfect fake scumhunting scum? Meh, I think you're afraid to see my flip and you're trying to make apologies for your attacks now (But she was playing the PERFECT SCUMHUNTING SCUM!?!? OMG HOW COULD I HAVE KNOWN?) But no one is going to buy it. You went for the first person to question Fate, just like yesterday. Apparently you now think you were wrong yesterday, too, so my flip shouldn't be too much of a surprise

[mykonian]

Which leaves 1). Which assumes that Fate has the intelligence of a chimp. And you leave out the easiest explanation. Fate didn't consider a cop result that was messed with. As long as you forget that a GF is possible, bunny would have to lie if fate was scum, making him scum too. Ergo, bunny would be tied to us too. Naturally, this doesn't work if Fate is a GF. Which would add another assumption to your "fate is stupid scum who fakeclaims himself into a certain loss for his own fun".

I have no idea what you're on about here. If Fate and you are scum, you know you're scum. Fate wouldn't have to "consider a cop result" to know his own alignment. I don't know that Fate is scum, but Bunny giving a result on Fate and all three of you being around for the next day is pretty suspicious on someone's part. And Fate jumping right on the "Bunny is conftown no one dare accuse the Bunny!" after hammering her yesterday is scummy. You know it, I know it, and once I'm lynched maybe someone in the town will notice it too. Does it make Fate scum? Maybe. I don't know. But Fate was pushing a policy lynch on Bunny (by his own words) for being useless and lurky and god knows what all, so it's the height of hypocrisy to whine and OMGUS when the same treatment is turned back on him. And if you two ARE town and you're wrong about Bunny, you could lose us the game. If you're scum, I realise you don't care.

It's the other way around. You accuse Fate. For fate to be scum, I, and bunny would have to lie => making bunny scum too. What you try to argue for is a fatescum who locked his fate with two of his scumbuds for his own entertainment.

You are playing the fake scumhunting scum perfectly.

Really? I made myself a target and people jumped right on. I failed to fall into line with Fate and Fate's stupid gambits and now I'll be lynched for it. That's perfect fake scumhunting scum? Meh, I think you're afraid to see my flip and you're trying to make apologies for your attacks now (But she was playing the perfect scumhunting scum!? Omg how could I have known?) But no one is going to buy it. You went for the first person to question Fate, just like yesterday. Apparently you now think you were wrong yesterday, too, so my flip shouldn't be too much of a surprise

You didn't even read what the fake scumhunting was, did you. Because you are defending against the accusation.

And correction, Fate thinks he's wrong. You didn't read the post where I switched my vote, or you didn't understand it.

[Porochaz]

CSL is asking for a replacement. He will be replaced.

[Banshee]

Regardless, Fate is correct in that I'm a vanilla townie, not that big a loss for town, a preferable lynch to the two of you going on a MassClaim rampage and then attacking someone who might be a PR, so please, go ahead and lynch me. My interest in contributing content is approaching zero anyway so everyone wins if you lynch me.

More votes, please.

[Banshee]

ETA: And before anyone starts screaming about me playing against my wincon, Fate claimed scum TWICE IN THREAD. So I don't even wanna hear it, honestly. I'm not any more required to post content than anyone else in this game and I've done my share, so :p

[David Xanatos]

VOTE: Fate

Let's see what happens. Either Fate or Myko, I don't care which. I just want to see the Masons confirm themselves.

[mykonian]

*blinks*

Claimed cop. Claims inno on Fate. Fate lead onto xvart. Who was scum.

I think you have 5 minutes to realize you didn't read bunnies post and you really don't have a clue what you are doing.

[Porochaz]

Bunny - 4 - Stranger, dram, nocmen, mos
Banshee - 4 - Fate, myko, bunny, Jackalope
Fate - 2 - Banshee, David

Not Voting - CSL, Katsuki, dramonic

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline is in 20.5 days

[Bunnylover]

VOTE: Fate

Let's see what happens. Either Fate or Myko, I don't care which. I just want to see the Masons confirm themselves.

But I just.............
I mean I just..............
What?