camn's temperamental - Mini 1232 - GAME OVER

[Haylen]

Why me over Johogg, Chair?

[Fishythefish]

This is me promising to post something else soon in the hope that it'll motivate me to post something else soon.

[Zang]

Sorry for not posting as much, I've lost some of my interest in this game.

I understand the case on Johhog but I would still prefer a Haylen lynch.

my post contains plenty of scumhunting.
I was just in a bad mood.

Oh well.

It may contain scumhunting but it still made no sense.

@Johog you don't see what is scummy about calling someone town in the same post you vote them?

No. Tbh I can see it as dumb, clueless or something like that, but what is the scum motivation in that? Can scum benefit from it at all?

There is definitely a scum motivation for it. As scum and by calling him town, you would give yourself an easily way to leave switch your vote off of them and you would be able to remove the responsibility of you being on the wagon later if he I lynched and flips town. There is also no town motivation for it.

Ok, I've got it. All of the rationals are scum but have fake claims from the other groups because there are less people in the game than there are possible roles.

Why do you assume that after only one scum was in the rational group? Maybe if two were than this might be true but with only one dead it seems more like a coincidence. Also, If scum have fake claims and all scum are in the rational group, then why didn't Parama use the fake claim since his claim is from the rational group. Also, If this you are so sure that this is true, why don't you vote Parama?

This seems like you are just trying to divert people from lynching you by making them think that your claim wouldn't be scum.

[Fishythefish]

I think guessing scum from temperaments is outguessing the mod in it's purest form, and isn't likely to help.

Johhog's end of day vote is odd. But I can't see the scum motivation in it, and I don't think scum would say "a Para/spoon flip would divide the town into two camps" if they know one is town and one is scum and their voting for the townie. I can more easily imagine Johhog getting in a tangle and persuading himself to go against his gut than him playing as he did as scum.

[Lurconis]

@Zang I'm not against the Haylen wagon I am for either of them, if Haylen gets to L-1 I am willing to hammer.

[camn]

Thats better.
1 page while I am at work is not too much to ask.

Johhog

- 3

( Lurconis Parama PeregrineV )

fishythefish

- 1

( RedPanda )

Haylen

- 3

( Chair Zang fishythefish )

Zang

- 1

( Johhog )

NOT VOTING:

( Haylen )

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is

WEDNESDAY, October 12th

, 8pm MY TIME.. . Or whenever I get around to it.

[RedPanda]

I think guessing scum from temperaments is outguessing the mod in it's purest form, and isn't likely to help.

Johhog's end of day vote is odd. But I can't see the scum motivation in it, and I don't think scum would say "a Para/spoon flip would divide the town into two camps" if they know one is town and one is scum and their voting for the townie. I can more easily imagine Johhog getting in a tangle and persuading himself to go against his gut than him playing as he did as scum.

i agree

[RedPanda]

I'm OK with Johhog.

VOTE: Haylen

@RedPanda: you say that twisted would have chosen a buddy to claim at so as to confirm his claim. But I

didn't

confirm his claim. What's more, scum never would - it would mean that once one of them flipped, the other would be dead. There's no reason for twisted to choose a buddy there (or, indeed, to not choose a buddy). It's pure WIFOM. You're totally right that

if I was scum

then I wouldn't have wanted to take the risk of confirming his claim. But because there's no reason he wouldn't choose a townie, that just isn't evidence for me being scum.

i will ISO haylen by today and change my read on him if i find anything. but till now your the best case i have.

[Fishythefish]

I want to talk you out of this case. It's really, really bad in a way I should be able to explain, and it could be disastrous later in the game.

OK, so imagine you are scum planning for spoon to claim inventor. Your options:
1) You point to your buddy, he confirms.
2) You point to your buddy, he denies it.
3) You point to a townie, and they deny it.
Now, first of all 1) clearly isn't what happened - I didn't confirm the claim. But it could have been unplanned, the scum don't have daytalk and perhaps they didn't bother thinking about it at night. But 1) is crazy

anyway

. Because it ties the scumteam together completely - if one gets lynched the other will be confirmed scum. And since it wouldn't even mean I was "confirmed" town, that would be a total disaster. No scum in my position would ever confirm the claim. And no scum in spoon's position would have thought this was a realistic plan - or even wanted it to happen.

That leaves us with 2) and 3). Either way, spoon gets lynched. The only difference is in a player he points to. So he can point to whoever he likes! That means that if he thinks it makes someone look like town, he can point at scum, and vice versa. That means the only sensible thing to do is to treat it as a nulltell.

[camn]

Tell me the site was down today. wtf.

[Parama]

Okay y'know what screw this.

unvote, vote: Haylen

Nobody is moving their votes. Johhog is a better lynch, but this game isn't going to move until we get another flip.

[Lurconis]

VOTE: Haylen

[Parama]

...that was fast.

[Lurconis]

@Zang I'm not against the Haylen wagon I am for either of them, if Haylen gets to L-1 I am willing to hammer.

He already claimed, I don't believe it and I announced my intention.

[Parama]

haylen is a girl <.<

I never said I thought the hammer was bad, I'm just amazed as how quickly you got in here and hammered <.<

[camn]

Haylen

- 3

( Chair Zang fishythefish Parama Lurconis )

some people are born to help others.
they spend thier lives with this intention. sometimes the intention COSTS them their lives.

Haylen, your PROTECTOR and

Town Psychiatrist

, has been lynched.

Night phase begins. Deadline is three days from now.
Those of you with night actions, please report them to me via PM.
The sooner the better. Please dont make me wait.

[camn]

I was meant for the crowd,
I was meant for the shouting.
I was meant to raise these hands
With quiet all about me.

fishythefish, your PERFORMER and

Townsperson

, has been brutally killed.

Day 4 begins.

NOT VOTING:

( Chair Zang Parama Lurconis Johhog RedPanda PeregrineV )

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline is

SATURDAY, October 22nd

, 8pm MY TIME.. . Or whenever I get around to it.

[Parama]

v_v

Why is Lurc still alive anywho? Mafia scared of a doc or something? I still think he's town, but.
Anyways! Zang == Counselor!

Hmm. Still think Johhog is the best lynch... chair might be the scum on the Haylen wagon... only one that looks possible, really.

vote: Johhog

[RedPanda]

VOTE PARaMA

Why are you still alive parama?

[RedPanda]

im also seeing a curious case of whoever i think is scum ending up dead.

[Parama]

I dunno, because we have a watcher claim alive and regardless of whether or not he's scum or town, scum can't kill me either way?\
Why the flipflop AGAIN?

[RedPanda]

NO Your scum i can feel it. Diabolical scum thats what you are.

[RedPanda]

Scum are killing people i think are scum which means they know im not protecting them. Your EVIL you have to die.

[Parama]

"Scum are killing people who I think are scum."
"Therefore you are scum."

Thanks for connecting those two logically.

OH WAIT.

[Zang]

v_v

Why is Lurc still alive anywho? Mafia scared of a doc or something? I still think he's town, but.
Anyways! Zang == Counselor!

Hmm. Still think Johhog is the best lynch... chair might be the scum on the Haylen wagon... only one that looks possible, really.

vote: Johhog

I am the counselor.

My gut is telling me that Johhog is town even though I think he might be scum. For now I think i'll vote for him.

Vote: Johhog