Open 347: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

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VOTE: kondi2424
wagon accepted

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@Sleepy Yeah I was just blindly following, waiting for some content to come out. Ty for that.

I'm a little unsure on Equinoxs 'vote for the lurkers' tactic.
Can see they have all confirmed so either they are town and dont care day one, or mafia and no one has mentioned them so they are staying quiet.
In any case I think Eq's attempt for content is misplaced. May as well go for the people that are here.

Not liking what Basket has got going on there? Day1 lynch with no reasoning except wagon?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Basket

Please explain yourself

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VOTE: kondi242

This feels good.

Going to have to agree mes thinks.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: kondi242

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ty trekker, I like to live dangerously.

Where's fat?

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Hey Fruit. How's it going?

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Cool story bro.

Hey trekker, thoughts on SK?

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I'm here. Just busy.

@SK: I was talking about where Quil wanted a quicklynch on kondi.

Getting bad vibes from SH's posts. Also, why single me out when Quil hadn't posted for an equally long time?
VOTE: SH

Because Quil posted content and you never did.
Simple as that.

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@SK: What? He said that after I voted.

@SH: How do either of Quil's first two posts contain enough content to make that distinction?

Also, policy lynching Kondi is probably a bad idea since we're at mylo tomorrow if he's town.

More so then yours. But nice to see you round more now UNVOTE: pig

Question SK: What have I done that is scum?

I don't have any experience with other players here so don't have anything in the way of meta. cbf sifting through iso at this point. Will come back to it tomorrow.
Trekker's most on my thoughts at this point. Noones really made some claims on SK either, but scum hunting pretty hard. Seems town enough at this point

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Always

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Lol trekker, you are retarded.

Also VOTE: kondi

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Did I? My bad. I had pig in mind for a vote for a while. Must never have gone through with it

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I do, but there's no point in clogging the thread when your concern is so obviously feigned.

Curiouser and curiouser

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Quil, your case on me is bad and you should feel bad.

Minimal contribution is definitely a scumtell when what you have contributed is scummy. As for my case not being there, the scummy aspects of C_P's early posts should have been fairly obvious. I delivered on that anyway, and I don't see why you're dismissing that just because it came later (hey, do I get to dismiss the rest of your case too? I mean, you didn't post any of this when you voted for me, right?).

Not going to bother with the rest of it, since ISO/meta on me shows that the rest of the case is baloney.

Why is trekker town when he has been calling people scum all game with no reasons?
Why are you voting for me if you have SH as leaning scum and me as null-leaning-scum? Shouldn't your vote be on the person you find most scummy?

Did I? My bad. I had pig in mind for a vote for a while. Must never have gone through with it

The more I think about this, the more I think it's a scumslip. Town shouldn't be "planning" votes. Scum "plan" votes because they need to pin stuff on town. I'm pretty happy with my vote on SH now.

My case on you was never solid. Assuming you're town at this point. Also if you're still upset; what question was this? Sorry, I'll be back in about 3 hours

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You still haven't told me why Quil's first two posts had more content than my first two posts.

Eh. I only have one vote. Didn't look at Quil at the time. Also I missed you voting RVS. Sorry. Maybe something to do with my hatred of winnie the poo

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Hawk, why post an insincere case?

Only to get him active. When I first asked where he was was because I hadn't seen him since day one. Didn't notice any others. Also note I didn't actually place a vote on him because my position was not a strong one. The only reason this has come up was because I unvoted for him without actually voting. Didn't bother looking back to see if I had or not. As it stands, I did not. And I my initial thoughts have changed.

ScreamingHawk, is there a reason you're ignoring fatlikepig's questions?

Cross_Pollination, is there a reason you're ignoring mine? What's your opinion on the other players in the game?

Have / am answering questions. Sorry I've been busy. Last week of Uni. Trying to keep up but multitasking isn't my strong point.

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Unvote, Vote: Nobody Special

Sheeping

VOTE: Nobody Special

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SH is probably town actually.

I think so too.

Can someone please fill me on / give good link to game to explain Nobodys meta?

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Screaming is saying "I never voted him" in his defense, even though earlier he said he intended to vote him. Yawn

I did

intend

to. But I never did. What is the problem here? This entire argument is based off the stupidist thing. I was going to vote for someone but never did because my case was poor. I then unvoted for him, because I thought I had voted off my poor case. Reason I did think I had voted for him was because he was being so defensive.

And again the reason it was pig and not Eq was because I didn't pay Eq any attention.

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EDIT: Quil not Eq. Zomg.

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Initially thought I had. Sorry. Should start writing all my thoughts for this game down.
Going to have a read through NS past games. Good to join DJ wagon in sec.

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The NS votes are good.

No, they aren't.

Well I'm convinced.

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Could we please get the wagon on NS going? Would like some actual content from him.

@mod: An updated VC at this point would be very nice thank you

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Sigh..
UNVOTE: NS
VOTE: SleepyKrew

As there's really noone going for NS at this point

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By that I meant the votes aren't actually putting pressure

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Doesn't help but don't feel leaving it there was helping either.

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Oh in that case VOTE: Nobody Special
This game is slowing

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I'll take the chance. Don't think they would put two unlynchables in the game

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Dammit SH, stop screwing up my read on you.

Why'd you vote for SK?

Sheeping to get something to happen.

Hurrr.

I think DonJosh is scum.

VOTE: DonJosh

I agree he could be but shouldn't we be picking one target?

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Not much has changed since I was last here. Keeping my vote on NS. Can we please have more votes here. I'm surprised I even need to ask.

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Why?

Sleepy if your so unsure as to why NS is a good lynch, why are you voting him?
Looks pretty scummy to me.
If NS flips scum your next on my list as part of his team.

And give it a rest on me already. I've explained my case. If you don't like it that's fine.

I'm also ok for putting some pressure on Don. Also C_P.

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Found him scummy for ages now. I'm sure I've said reasons earlier. ISO me and tell me if I'm wrong.

I'm down for NS lynch.
Just checked your reason for your vote and mine is pretty much the same.

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1. First was not a question. Second did not deserve an answer..
2. Sorry my memory is aweful. You'll find this happens a lot with me...
4. Had a look through a few games, but mostly trusted what others said. Really his lack of content is either scummy or not helping town. Either way nothing of value will be lost.
3. See above.

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Well convince me otherwise then

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Now, lynch SleepyKrew. Do what I say.

sk scum

Kondi is scum. Just saying.

i literally already laid out my case on sleepykrew

I lol'd

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*EDIT: kondi was misquote

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Vote then please CP. He is L-2

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CP is town

idontthinksotim

MS is sitting on L-2 since the last VCA. Can we please have one more vote on him. I mean C_P should have done this already but that's cool. He can sit on my scum list for the moment. Is anyone opposed to a NS lynch at this point? I don't see his contribution being helpful in the slightest at this point. Same goes for C_P. And trekker is heading onto that category too at this point. Though still think trekker is simply retarded-town

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Even if I do think you are scum SK, I will keep you in for comic relief

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@mod - kondi prod please. Also bvoigt is over 50 hours.
And could we please have deadline in the vote counts
You've been awesome.

@Trekker - any thoughts on DJ? Also stop changing your dp. Confusing...

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Are we still lynching NS? I see nothing bad to come of this.

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It would take a good explanation before I believed any claim at this point.

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What the shit is happening with trekker...
TREKKER! Before you go, vote on NS plox.

So many people V/LA....

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Actually, there's something I want to look at. Don't hammer until I come back, please.

Unvote

@Equinox - did anything come of this?

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fat! What is your take on NS? You haven't voted him. Why is that?

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EDIT: Sorry you are. I missed that

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oh sh why so tunnel?

Why not call SK being tunnel?

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No hammers until I get a chance to sit down and read this thread.

You said the same thing a while ago, but we still haven't had any new real content from you. What did you see last time you re-read through?

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unvote

Vote: Equinox

Die, lurkerscum, die.

I actually like this. He keeps telling us to wait and then never provides us with a decent read afterwards. Suspicions rising.
(Vote stays on NS)

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THERE SHOULD BE A COUNTERWAGON AND IT SHOULD BE C_P

Give us a case for why not NS and then we will consider. As far as I can see C_P is as useless as NS, except NS is obviously here AND useless. C_P doesn't post. He can be next.

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Stalling...

Also have a look at Amrun's ISO. You have been voting C_P since first post. Care to give us reasons why? Best explanation I can find is in #206. And that's still better than what NS has contributed. After reading on it seems your basis is on his triggerhappy call early on, and that everyone else thinks it was more a town tell. So correct me if I'm wrong.
And I wouldn't mind hearing reasons against the NS lynch. That's an invite to anyone. Including NS...

Keeping Amrun in mind for if NS flips scum.

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Actually I'm going to be keeping Amrun in mind regardless. Could be going for brownie points for not lynching town, assuming he knows who town is (i.e. he is scum)

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I have no reasons against an NS lynch. This has been pretty clear.

I've also pretty clearly demonstrated why I think c_p is scummy. The best explanation out there is bvoigt's, which I talked about somewhat extensively.

Well obviously it has not been very clearly demonstrated, for either. Can I have a link to your post where you extensively talked about that post. I can't seem to find it in your ISO.

What I really want to know is voting C_P over NS. I don't see this.

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Welcome Twisted,

Having internet issues so not looking back to past quotes. Will answer those later.
I haven't any completed games on forum before. So no sorry I can't point you to a previous game of mine.

A note. Why not voting NS? No call for him to claim? Why not even putting some pressure on NS? Especially after your entire intro on the game and how scum cannot afford any slips or lost players. Makes your lack of pressure on NS suspicious as a scum buddy.

Also Trekker has just been/requested replacement. Your vote on him here seems like a cop out. And so enforces my feelings on above.

Other then that I'm incredibly impressed with your reads. Here's hoping the other replacements do as good a job.

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I'd really like to know why those

NOT

voting for NS find whoever they are voting for more scummy. In particular those voting the recently replaced players.

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Lynch was successful then? Awesome.
Reminding myself here to ISO Amrun, trekker and the inactives day 2.

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Initially thought I had. Sorry. Should start writing all my thoughts for this game down.
Going to have a read through NS past games. Good to join DJ wagon in sec.

Let me ask this question again. Answer it this time

why did you never present your findings from this research? Did you even do this?
What conclusions from his meta did you make that led to you thinking of NS scum?

Lynch was done so I was expecting a fast end to the day...That's why short post.
Nothing came of NS past games. I looked at a couple and wasn't any help to me.

FYI I'm voting NS because of active lurking and zero contribution. V scummy. Though if he isn't scum, I don't see anything of value being lost (answer to answer question I missed answering either) as it's not like he was providing anything useful for town except another player slot.

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Hi all,
Sorry I'm

V / LA until Saturday

. I have exams thurs, fri and sat. I'll be reading the thread and trying to keep up but you wont be seeing much posting out of me.

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@^ So everyone is null then? Except TS who is town. And bviogt who is null-scum. That's not a great analysis.
Also does the dead being in green mean they were town? It wasn't explicitly said.
If so the above on [J]

appearing town

AFTER begin NK'd is a little off.

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Wow shit I missed a page....

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My point still stands against jerobbo's reads. VOTE: jerobbo
A revised read on FB with your vote would be nice too.

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^ Are you being serious?

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OK GUYS. Most games I play (IRL) the dead don't get flipped and so you don't learn roles until game over. I'm obviously unfamiliar with this game type. And since jerobbo made a read on a dead player (why would you do this?), I was unsure and thought I should get clarification.

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tbh, I think his reads list is quite genuine. I find it more townie at this stage to call a large number of players null as scum would try to make their reads as unoticable and generic as possible to blend in and stay safe. Jer's reads are neither generic or unoticable and I find that rather town in a small sense. I agree that a list of null reads is unhelpful and disappointing as well though.
My logic against the NS lynch was that scum wouldn't want to stick out as much and be as bold as he was. I think the same may be true here.

Doesn't a large number of null reads satisfy the notions of "unnoticable and generic"? A strong scum read or town read just makes it more likely that people will disagree and possibly argue with you.

I'm also reposting this because I agree whole heartedly and would like to see comment from TS.

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PEDIT: ILL DO IT TO AND OH LOOK AMRUN IS IGNORING

MY LATEST POINTS AGAINST HER

SHES SCUM

Herpderp?

But all your other points suck just as much.

SKrew, I think you are town.

Just wrong.

THIS.
But Amrun, case on FB vs TS?

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Torn between voting fruit and twistedspoon.

VOTE: fruit basket

It's interesting that TS expresses a townread and fruit tries to undermine it. Especially early game, that's a scumtell.

You voted FB after only making a (weak) comment about TS being scum. Why not vote TS then? What's your case on FB.

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Just fyi Amrun. The best case I can see from you for C_P being scum is your very first post. Because of the quick lynch thing. Was that it? You make a couple more vague references to his appearing newbscum but that's all I can see. Please quote / explain otherwise because I've asked you this so many times before and your response to look but through your iso does not help me here.

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Quilford and SH...why are you still voting for me? Get on Amrun.

Done exams. Woo.

I'm still voting you because I don't see anyone particularly scummy and will change my vote when I do. Also it is NOT going on Amrun at this point.

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Fat is mafiosi.
I'll try and get round to iso'ing him on monday

I would also like to see this.

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See #1089 re how many times I asked Amrun on the C_P 'case'. Reading from pg 42 again tomorrow

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Top three: bvoigt, jerrobbo, and quil.
In no particular order.

Quilford probably being my most likely at this point because of lack of content (aware my content is also lacking). But he's made so many false promises to post content. Still waiting for that 'later' after his bvoigt vote.

I'm not sold on the Amrun scum, but please calm the language. It was getting a bit intense at some points and mod-kills for direct attacks etc. Don't want that now do we.

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Meow. Who are your top 3 at this point SK?

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Oshi-- all my scum reads are newbs. Not sure whether I'm doin' it wrong or not.
VOTE: ScreamingHawk

You're doing it wrong.

Also it seems none of your scum reads are on anyone elses top scum lists. Any reason for that?
As for the dropped post rate, I was V/LA for exams and have just started a new job this week so that's a bit busy.

If that's your only reasoning on me, why not point at SK? His post rate had dropped worse than mine as far as I can see.

Also noting myself and pidgy were the only two to put you in our scum reads. A little suspicious to then point us. (Amrun kinda also but that was random one line and vote).

I'm happy for your lynch but will wait for VC before moving my vote.

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SleepyKrew needs to die.

I'm serious.

Where's that golden post you promised within 24 hours back in #1123?

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Quil- So i gotta give you a free pass all game to be town?

You are probably scum so thats ok.

And I'm assuming this is some kind of typo. Letting scum live is OK?

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my last scum can be quilford then. His reads are an absolute joke. He clearly hasn't read the thread at all after voting SH (the obvtown), defending his buddy BV to the point where it's an utter lie and using absolute nonsense to justify his the other half of his reads before saying I can't analyse

and that should suit the critics of the 'all scum on wagon' idea

I like this post.
Anyone

against

the Quil lynch at this point? If so why so? And who would you prefer? I'd like to see our potential targets for the day narrowed down.

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Where is your vote going FB?

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OK so bvoigt is actually 8, and fat 6

So if everyone is finding BV the most scummy in this game, why are we not voting that way? TBH the thing I'm finding most off is how much he throws his vote around. Granted he is only posting every couple of pages or so, but every other post is a vote to an existing wagon. Seems scummy.

I'd still much prefer a Quil lynch though. Obviously not keeping up with the game. Admitting it. Mentions replacing out then when people take pressure off, says he won't do it. How does mentioning replacing out get you off the hook? Have your opinions changed (TS, pidgy)?

TY for the VC FB.

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I don't see anything particularly scummy from flp. Some more content would be nice. Null for me. Not on my lynch list at this point.

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Who is your top three then? Because FB had BV on your list and the other two with question marks

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And hint: there was no wagon above 1 vote beside bv and my own.

I tend to differ:
Amrun - Fruit Basket, SleepyKrew, jerobbo L-3
bvoigt - fatlikepig, twistedspoon L-4
jerobbo - ScreamingHawk, bvoigt L-4
fatlikepig: - Twistedspoon, pidgey L-4
SleepyKrew: - Equinox, Amrun, L-4

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I'm finding that I'm agreeing with SK more and more. It frightens me.

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Then lynch me. If I'm going to be a distraction for a town chasing its own tail, it's for the best anyway.

How about no.

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I'm not wasting a town slot.

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Well then you aren't as resigned to your fate as you say hatcat.
SH, what are you agreeing with me on if it isn't Amrunscum?

I agree with scum reads, more null then scum. There are far better lynches.

If you hate this game so much then replace out. Save us the loss of a slot and save you the pain of the game. Otherwise harden the fuck up and get over it.

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I had a strong town read on Amrun. Not something worth throwing away

completely

for a few scum reads. If I did that then I may as well disregard the entire first day. That's just stupid

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BV you are on 8 peoples top 3 scum list. Any comment?

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No, I agree with some of your tells. Difference

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Please. Explain. Elaborate.

The tells you have mentioned hold value but not as much as you are putting on them. Not enough to push them to high scum. Tells = agreeable, reads = over exagerated

I realize that I'm not an actual viable wagon, but I'm interested in hearing why you're looking at Quilford in particular for the reasons you've stated.

Becuase you are not a viable wagon for one. But really it's because when you do post, you post decent content. I understand people having limitted access. But those that don't participate well when they do, are scummy.

I am very confident BV is how to proceed

his entrance onto he wagon was still awful

the distancing is very clear

and he had every motive to kill [J]

how can a townread remain?

I agree. What conclusions do you think you will draw from a BV flip?

@mod: A VC would be nice right about now... I would like to request an extension on the deadline if we are unable to organise a lynch due to our inaccurate vote counting.

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TS is scum because of incessant defense of NS and Amrun

If BV flips town, this is where I will be looking tomorrow.

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Although i do think BV is scummy, i think we have a better chance to get scum with Quil and fatlikepig.

Can we agree to narrow down the lynch today to either Quil, flp or BV??
I'd prefer a Quil lynch but don't mind BV.

Like Pidgy said re BV being an easy lynch, if he flips town I'd suggest we look at the drivers of this wagon.

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In fact, anyone up for a pigdey flashwagon?

Don't distract. BV is a good lynch. Still down for Quil if anyone else is.

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That being said VOTE: bvoigt

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BVOIGT IS AT L-1

Incase someone isn't paying attention.

@FB: Why are you opposing the BV lynch at this point?

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UNVOTE: BV

I'm going to come back to this.

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May also be a disadvantage to town. Why state mafia?

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VOTE: bvoigt
fuck it.
someone hammer please.
This has been a long day and this is a lynch we can all learn something from, good or bad.

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Yay. So any last words there BV?

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VOTE: SK

@FB I voted because it seemed better than a no lynch.

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Who are you voting today?

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@Quilford: You going to provide us a reason? Or maybe a case against the SK lynch?

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So are you joining the wagon then?

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Pidgey, why aren't you voting SK? Who do you think is a better candidate and why?

@SK: I'm up for your scumhunting explanation. Or if you already tried a backlink would be fine.

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Mustn't be seen as a threat..
The reason I unvoted was the potential mod-slip. Considered it, then changed my mind on it.

@fat: What's your plan? Currently no vote

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Why is pidgey still scum now that bv's flipped town?