I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out
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In post 450, Beck wrote:I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out
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In post 445, Revenus wrote:hey i disagree with revenus trying to find out whos town so therefore i'm going to misconstrue it as him PR hunting.
That wasn't what that post meant. The post it quoted had you arguing that scum should use nightkills to PR hunt, therefore townlists are fine.
iirc I followed up with an explanation of how using nightkills to PR hunt is terribly inaccurate, so I feel like you had enough info to figure out what I was saying."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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In post 451, Zdenek wrote:In post 450, Beck wrote:I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out
Sorgster voted a confirmed vote-stealer, an almost sure town role, who he thought was an inventor (for no reason as far as I know) and who claimed day-cop (which was not the case).
Why did this take 20 pages?
I kinda get it now. -sigh-
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Still somewhat scummy, but no longer lynch worthy. Until I realize someone scummier,vote: thamatuer"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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In post 451, Zdenek wrote:In post 450, Beck wrote:I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out
Sorgster voted a confirmed vote-stealer, an almost sure town role, who he thought was an inventor (for no reason as far as I know) and who claimed day-cop (which was not the case).
Yeah, that's lame but wasn't worth shitting in this game if it was a joke, but call it wifom i just don't see scum drawing attention to themselves like that. So ill leave you as town right now, as much as hate to say it. So with you prob. town, it means I'm probably right about hiraki scum. I still like my vote on pine, i just don't see town saying the phrase "regardless of my allignment"
Town, even if everyone thought he was scum, would still refer to himself as town. Regardless of my alignment implies mafia, SK, or other 3rd party.Beck =/= The band
Beck = a football player
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In post 437, Zdenek wrote:In post 436, popsofctown wrote:Lynch all Liars. You claimed your first post was a joke because it was beneficial for it to be one.
Unless you can explain what's so humorous about sorgster's play in 1531
I was using the word joke to day that it was not a serious policy lynch.
Do you think that all lies/gambits by town are scummy?
Dude, you CAN'T claim it as a joke AND a gambit. They are NOT the same thing...VERY different, in fact. This statement, and it being the second time you've schizo claimed both in one post, is by far the most damning thing you've done. You give two contradictory reasons for the same action. Genuine actions performed for legitimate reasons do not require such hedging of bets.
In post 449, Zdenek wrote:In post 432, popsofctown wrote:I'm strapped for time I can devote to mafia, so please chill on my activity level.
Re: IioA - I like theory crafting a lot, so I'm naturally predisposed to talk a lot about it since I enjoy it more. That said it is anti-town,
Confession of being anti-town.
Oh what bullshit. He's stating that his style is generally not as beneficial to the Town as intended, not admitting to an anti-Town alignment. Major, major misrep here.
That said, I'm not pops' biggest fan, so carry on.
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I think pine is town. As far as I can tell he doesn't put this much effort in when he's scum.
In post 366, Revenus wrote:By the way, scum must be jumping in joy over how incompetent or uncaring 95% of the players are this game. Seriously, all they have to do is kill Pine, me, Slandaar, and sorgster and then ride Beck's impulsive no-content spam posting to victory. Everyone I didn't name, fucking step it up.
Chill out dude. This game is actually quite active. Remember: it's still early days and there's a long way to go.
In post 367, Revenus wrote:Oh and sword of omens is probably scum. His first post going "oh hey zdenek glad to see you made it " is actually a huge scumtell.
How?
In post 378, Beck wrote:When I get to a pc, I'll explain why you are scum.
I've already explained why pine is scum
I'm sick and tired of people saying they are ignoring me, I'm making good points, I should not be ignored.
I'm not saying the game revolves around me, but when good points are being made they shouldnt be ignored.
I'm not going to get in to whether your points are bad or not, but you are being ignored by people because you keep hammering the same thing over and over and over again. It's not helpful for anyone else to read over the same stuff a bunch of times.
Also you are getting caught up in "right" and "wrong". This is a game where subjectivity plays a huge part. Unless you're scum you can't know the alignment of others and therefore can never truly be right and wrong. For example your case on pine is fine, it uses logic and is not invalid in any way - but I disagree with it because I believe pine is town.
In post 423, iamausername wrote:In post 420, Hiraki wrote:
You don't think Revenus was displaying any types of emotions?In post 418, iamausername wrote:I totally agree that it would be nice if Beck would shut the fuck up, but he's not scum.
I think the emotion he's displaying is rubbing his hands with glee as he watches the lunatic distracting everybody's attention by shitting himself all over the thread. If that counts as an emotion.
Take out the first and last sentence and I could maybe see that post coming from frustrated town, but as is, no.
I see where you are coming from but a lot of his other posts scream frustrated town to me. I honestly don't see scum playing it up to that extent. Your thoughts?
In post 430, Sky wrote:In post 325, ThAdmiral wrote:
He's pretty much only talked about mafia theory for one. Plus he's wrong.
That's funny. So have you. We have a difference of game theory, big deal. As for my lack of activity, well, I try to post at least once a day. These big games move a lot faster than I am accustomed to.
Ok.
In post 430, Sky wrote:Anyway, I don't mind Revenus' play lately.
Unvote: Revenus
Vote: Funkybike1
He won't even explain his votes.
What is it that you don't mind about revenus' play?Don't ask me to provide self meta-
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In post 354, Zdenek wrote:Two scummy people are happy with a lurker lynch. Fantastic.
What makes SodaSpirit legitimately scummy? Isn't he a lurker, too?
@funkybike1: Please explain what caused you to vote and unvote Zdenek, and why you didn't explain at the time.
Pine (because of his reads post, which has a lot of thinking I can follow) and Beck are both town.
In post 453, popsofctown wrote:In post 451, Zdenek wrote:In post 450, Beck wrote:I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out
Sorgster voted a confirmed vote-stealer, an almost sure town role, who he thought was an inventor (for no reason as far as I know) and who claimed day-cop (which was not the case).
Why did this take 20 pages?
I kinda get it now. -sigh-
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Still somewhat scummy, but no longer lynch worthy. Until I realize someone scummier,vote: thamatuer
This post indicates to me that pops' read of Zdenek wasn't sincere. For one thing, he was saying earlier that "his early behavior seems like one of the scummiest things ever," so it doesn't seem like he would suddenly change his mind. Furthermore, pops' original reason for his vote was that Zdenek was backpedaling and saying that a serious policy lynch was a joke. If anything, wouldn't knowing the actual reason behind Zdenek's original suggestion make it more likely that the suggestion was serious? (Did this paragraph make any sense?)-
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In post 457, Beck wrote:Admiral, why is pine town to you?
In post 456, ThAdmiral wrote:I think pine is town. As far as I can tell he doesn't put this much effort in when he's scum.Don't ask me to provide self meta-
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It was a game I modded. He stayed under the radar pretty much the entire time, made no real large posts, etc.Don't ask me to provide self meta-
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That's not actually a very good example, ThAd. I got lynched D1 for good cause. I screwed up royally. Set's Speed Mafia (Mini 1203) is an excellent example of a scum win where I lurked my ass off (though it was NOT on purpose,) and There Will Be Bloodshed (NY 128?) is a superb example of my more aggressive scum meta, (I and myentirescumteam survived to endgame,) though it was only my second game on-site and IMHO does not accurately reflect my current skill level. NY 130 and 131 are both good examples of a more middle-of-the-road scum strategy I've used, also resulting in a win. Actually, discounting the games I flaked in over the summer, I've got something like a 75% scum win average.
In comparison, Mini 1159 is an example of a more calculating Town win, Mini 1138 is one where I came right out of the gates as a replacement and nailed all of the remaining scum to a wall. NY 129 had a good showing where I was super-aggressive Town, to the point of shoving my reads in everyone's faces and then helping in my own lynch so people would take me seriously when I flipped Town. Even despite that, they still lost the game for me when they ignored my reads, despite my last list being right in 3 out of 4 cases.
Wouldn't want you to lack for meta on me. No, I'm not going to bother actually linking them, I'm too lazy.
PE: I concur, though they can help form an image of how a personthinks. And that's way more important than how they actually play. But yeah, meta should always be thesupportfor a good case, never the case itself. I'm aware that my allegations against Hiraki make the previous statement the heights of hypocrisy, and I'm okay with it."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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