NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Beck]

I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out

[Zdenek]

I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out

Sorgster voted a confirmed vote-stealer, an almost sure town role, who he thought was an inventor (for no reason as far as I know) and who claimed day-cop (which was not the case).

[popsofctown]

hey i disagree with revenus trying to find out whos town so therefore i'm going to misconstrue it as him PR hunting.

That wasn't what that post meant. The post it quoted had you arguing that scum should use nightkills to PR hunt, therefore townlists are fine.

iirc I followed up with an explanation of how using nightkills to PR hunt is terribly inaccurate, so I feel like you had enough info to figure out what I was saying.

[popsofctown]

I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out

Sorgster voted a confirmed vote-stealer, an almost sure town role, who he thought was an inventor (for no reason as far as I know) and who claimed day-cop (which was not the case).

Why did this take 20 pages?

I kinda get it now. -sigh-

unvote

Still somewhat scummy, but no longer lynch worthy. Until I realize someone scummier,

vote: thamatuer

[Beck]

I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out

Sorgster voted a confirmed vote-stealer, an almost sure town role, who he thought was an inventor (for no reason as far as I know) and who claimed day-cop (which was not the case).

Yeah, that's lame but wasn't worth shitting in this game if it was a joke, but call it wifom i just don't see scum drawing attention to themselves like that. So ill leave you as town right now, as much as hate to say it. So with you prob. town, it means I'm probably right about hiraki scum. I still like my vote on pine, i just don't see town saying the phrase "regardless of my allignment"

Town, even if everyone thought he was scum, would still refer to himself as town. Regardless of my alignment implies mafia, SK, or other 3rd party.

[Pine]

Lynch all Liars. You claimed your first post was a joke because it was beneficial for it to be one.

Unless you can explain what's so humorous about sorgster's play in 1531

I was using the word joke to day that it was not a serious policy lynch.

Do you think that all lies/gambits by town are scummy?

Dude, you CAN'T claim it as a joke AND a gambit. They are NOT the same thing...VERY different, in fact. This statement, and it being the second time you've schizo claimed both in one post, is by far the most damning thing you've done. You give two contradictory reasons for the same action. Genuine actions performed for legitimate reasons do not require such hedging of bets.

I'm strapped for time I can devote to mafia, so please chill on my activity level.

Re: IioA - I like theory crafting a lot, so I'm naturally predisposed to talk a lot about it since I enjoy it more. That said it is anti-town,

Confession of being anti-town.

Oh what bullshit. He's stating that his style is generally not as beneficial to the Town as intended, not admitting to an anti-Town alignment. Major, major misrep here.

That said, I'm not pops' biggest fan, so carry on.
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Please stop talking about the game that Zdenek and pops played before. It is entirely irrelevant to this game and is off-topic.

[ThAdmiral]

I think pine is town. As far as I can tell he doesn't put this much effort in when he's scum.

By the way, scum must be jumping in joy over how incompetent or uncaring 95% of the players are this game. Seriously, all they have to do is kill Pine, me, Slandaar, and sorgster and then ride Beck's impulsive no-content spam posting to victory. Everyone I didn't name, fucking step it up.

Chill out dude. This game is actually quite active. Remember: it's still early days and there's a long way to go.

Oh and sword of omens is probably scum. His first post going "oh hey zdenek glad to see you made it " is actually a huge scumtell.

How?

When I get to a pc, I'll explain why you are scum.

I've already explained why pine is scum

I'm sick and tired of people saying they are ignoring me, I'm making good points, I should not be ignored.

I'm not saying the game revolves around me, but when good points are being made they shouldnt be ignored.

I'm not going to get in to whether your points are bad or not, but you are being ignored by people because you keep hammering the same thing over and over and over again. It's not helpful for anyone else to read over the same stuff a bunch of times.

Also you are getting caught up in "right" and "wrong". This is a game where subjectivity plays a huge part. Unless you're scum you can't know the alignment of others and therefore can never truly be right and wrong. For example your case on pine is fine, it uses logic and is not invalid in any way - but I disagree with it because I believe pine is town.

I totally agree that it would be nice if Beck would shut the fuck up, but he's not scum.

You don't think Revenus was displaying any types of emotions?

I think the emotion he's displaying is rubbing his hands with glee as he watches the lunatic distracting everybody's attention by shitting himself all over the thread. If that counts as an emotion.

Take out the first and last sentence and I could maybe see that post coming from frustrated town, but as is, no.

I see where you are coming from but a lot of his other posts scream frustrated town to me. I honestly don't see scum playing it up to that extent. Your thoughts?

He's pretty much only talked about mafia theory for one. Plus he's wrong.

That's funny. So have you. We have a difference of game theory, big deal. As for my lack of activity, well, I try to post at least once a day. These big games move a lot faster than I am accustomed to.

Ok.

Anyway, I don't mind Revenus' play lately.

Unvote: Revenus

Vote: Funkybike1

He won't even explain his votes.

What is it that you don't mind about revenus' play?

[Beck]

Admiral, why is pine town to you?

[bvoigt]

Two scummy people are happy with a lurker lynch. Fantastic.

What makes SodaSpirit legitimately scummy? Isn't he a lurker, too?

@funkybike1: Please explain what caused you to vote and unvote Zdenek, and why you didn't explain at the time.

Pine (because of his reads post, which has a lot of thinking I can follow) and Beck are both town.

I agree zde needs to explain what was bad about the post from that game, even if the PL was a joke (still disagree it was) he should explain his reasoning to single that post out

Sorgster voted a confirmed vote-stealer, an almost sure town role, who he thought was an inventor (for no reason as far as I know) and who claimed day-cop (which was not the case).

Why did this take 20 pages?

I kinda get it now. -sigh-

unvote

Still somewhat scummy, but no longer lynch worthy. Until I realize someone scummier,

vote: thamatuer

This post indicates to me that pops' read of Zdenek wasn't sincere. For one thing, he was saying earlier that "his early behavior seems like one of the scummiest things ever," so it doesn't seem like he would suddenly change his mind. Furthermore, pops' original reason for his vote was that Zdenek was backpedaling and saying that a serious policy lynch was a joke. If anything, wouldn't knowing the actual reason behind Zdenek's original suggestion make it more likely that the suggestion was serious? (Did this paragraph make any sense?)

[ThAdmiral]

Admiral, why is pine town to you?

I think pine is town. As far as I can tell he doesn't put this much effort in when he's scum.

[Beck]

So you have experience with scum pine? Can I get a link?

[ThAdmiral]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&t=17230

It was a game I modded. He stayed under the radar pretty much the entire time, made no real large posts, etc.

[Revenus]

Use past games with a grain of salt, that's all I'm gonna say

[Pine]

That's not actually a very good example, ThAd. I got lynched D1 for good cause. I screwed up royally. Set's Speed Mafia (Mini 1203) is an excellent example of a scum win where I lurked my ass off (though it was NOT on purpose,) and There Will Be Bloodshed (NY 128?) is a superb example of my more aggressive scum meta, (I and my

entire

scumteam survived to endgame,) though it was only my second game on-site and IMHO does not accurately reflect my current skill level. NY 130 and 131 are both good examples of a more middle-of-the-road scum strategy I've used, also resulting in a win. Actually, discounting the games I flaked in over the summer, I've got something like a 75% scum win average.

In comparison, Mini 1159 is an example of a more calculating Town win, Mini 1138 is one where I came right out of the gates as a replacement and nailed all of the remaining scum to a wall. NY 129 had a good showing where I was super-aggressive Town, to the point of shoving my reads in everyone's faces and then helping in my own lynch so people would take me seriously when I flipped Town. Even despite that, they still lost the game for me when they ignored my reads, despite my last list being right in 3 out of 4 cases.

Wouldn't want you to lack for meta on me. No, I'm not going to bother actually linking them, I'm too lazy.

PE: I concur, though they can help form an image of how a person

thinks

. And that's way more important than how they actually play. But yeah, meta should always be the

support

for a good case, never the case itself. I'm aware that my allegations against Hiraki make the previous statement the heights of hypocrisy, and I'm okay with it.

[Beck]

unvote

[Hiraki]

I think pine is town. As far as I can tell he doesn't put this much effort in when he's scum.

I used to think this too, but there were a couple of games that threw this tell off.

Please don't rely on it por favor.

[Beck]

So what is your read on pine this game?

[DarthYoshi]

Day One, Vote Count the

Seventh Heaven

Lame '90s TV Show

funkybike1 (4): bvoigt, theamatuer, Slandaar, Sky

Revenus (3): DavidParker, Shattered Viewpoint, iamausername
Popsofctown (3): Zdenek, Pine, ZeL1Nk
Zdenek (2): Hiraki, Sorgster
ZeL1Nk (1): funkybike
Pine (1): SodaSpirit17
Sky (1): ThAdmiral
Beck (1): ScreamingHawk
sword_of_omens (1): Revenus
theamatuer (1): popsofctown

WITH TWENTY-TWO ALIVE, IT'S TWELVE TO LYNCH.
DEADLINE: NOVEMBER 2ND @ 10PM PACIFIC STANDARD TIME.

[Hiraki]

So what is your read on pine this game?

town

[Beck]

Vote: revenus

[Revenus]

I'm curious as to how I have 4 votes at this point.

[Hiraki]

3 of them are bad so I wouldn't stress out.

[Pine]

Derp wagon. Dont sweat it.

Unvote

Vote: theamateur

Vote was feeling a bit stale. Case is consolidated in my big wallpost etc.

[SodaSpirit17]

vote: bike

yea even though he's been less active then me, all of his posts contain a vote/unvote with little to 0 reasoning............

[SodaSpirit17]

sorgster is doublevoter confirmed