NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

theamatuer · Post Post #500 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:55 am

Funkybike: bandwagoning for no reason at all, active lurking, protects a bandwagon for no reason at all.
Pine: one of beck/Pine is scum, and Pine seems the better canidate of the two
zdenek: trying to invoke a PL, and once it failed, claimed it was a joke.

Beck · Post Post #501 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:58 am

Theam, why is your play much calmer this game?

Also, do you have a completed scum game on site?

If yes, link please.

DarthYoshi · Post Post #502 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:31 am

Day One, Vote Count the Magic Eight Ball

funkybike1 (6): bvoigt, theamatuer, Slandaar, Sky, SodaSpirit17, vijay2vasandani

Revenus (3): DavidParker, Shattered Viewpoint, iamausername
Popsofctown (2): Zdenek, ZeL1Nk
Zdenek (2): Hiraki, Sorgster
ZeL1Nk (1): funkybike1
Sky (1): ThAdmiral
Primate (1): ScreamingHawk
sword_of_omens (1): Revenus
theamatuer (1): popsofctown
bvoigt (1): Beck
theamatuer (1): Pine

WITH TWENTY-TWO ALIVE, IT'S TWELVE TO LYNCH.
DEADLINE: NOVEMBER 2ND @ 10PM PACIFIC STANDARD TIME.

theamatuer · Post Post #503 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:54 am

In post 501, Beck wrote:Theam, why is your play much calmer this game?

Also, do you have a completed scum game on site?

If yes, link please.

Well there hasnt been anyone screaming "OMG I AM SO TOTALLY SCUM" and there hasn't been anybody defending said person, so yeah.
And I have never had a scum role.

Revenus · Post Post #504 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:57 am

Beck voting funkybike makes me like that wagon less.

Beck · Post Post #505 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:05 am

I'm not voting funky but please explain why my earlier vote bothered you?

Revenus · Post Post #506 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:13 am

You're obviously retarded, so anything you do is going to make me averse to it.

Revenus · Post Post #507 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:14 am

Nah, changed my night I AM going to vig you tonight,

Revenus · Post Post #508 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:15 am

Changed my mind*

my bad.

popsofctown · Post Post #509 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:27 am

bvoigt wrote:

This post indicates to me that pops' read of Zdenek wasn't sincere. For one thing, he was saying earlier that "his early behavior seems like one of the scummiest things ever," so it doesn't seem like he would suddenly change his mind. Furthermore, pops' original reason for his vote was that Zdenek was backpedaling and saying that a serious policy lynch was a joke. If anything, wouldn't knowing the actual reason behind Zdenek's original suggestion make it more likely that the suggestion was serious? (Did this paragraph make any sense?)

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If you build Rube Goldberg machines out of BB code I can't nested quote you >_<

You're slightly misrepping my case. The case was lynch all liars, not waffling. It's either an extremely strong scumtell if the original statement was true, or not much if it is false.

He's still scummy, but now it's his choice to chainsaw for himself instead of taking numerous opportunities given to him to explain himself that stands as the only tell I have against him.

popsofctown · Post Post #510 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:41 am

In post 497, Pine wrote:This is starting to stall a bit.

Okay, everyone in your next post, please list your top three or four preferences (not your top one that we've heard about ad nauseum) for
today's
lynch and a sentence or two about
why
for each. Again, preferably in new words an not the same ones you've used before. Rank-ordering is a plus.

Rank 1: thamatuer - absurdly scummy behavior setting up the false dilemma of Pine or Beck scum, and seems like the brand of VI I can't discern between VItown and VIscum.

Like, he has behaved so scummy that if I gave him a pass for being a weak player, I would have to rate him so low he'd be in policy lynch territory, so might as well lynch them. Policy/scummy hybrids are often better than either alone.

Rank 2: funkybike1 - This time it's lurking instead of ability, but the effect is the same- scummy player that will be unreadable the rest of the game and so also has a PL aspect.

Rank 3:

popsofctown · Post Post #511 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:51 am

Rank 9: Sky, for underexplained wagon hopping in his last post..
Rank 10: Shattered Viewpoint, VI hunting rather than actual scumhunting as much as I can recall.

popsofctown · Post Post #512 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:54 am

In post 507, Revenus wrote:Nah, changed my night I AM going to vig you tonight,

This is antitown behavior. More experienced players have explained to you that this is anti-town behavior. Please stop engaging in antitown behavior.

Also, get an avatar.

Spoiler: spoiler

Beck · Post Post #513 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:57 am

Rev, why am I retarded

Beck · Post Post #514 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:58 am

Doc, don't waste your action on me, who cares if I die, I'm a retard aparantly.

Revenus · Post Post #515 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:59 am

In post 512, popsofctown wrote:
In post 507, Revenus wrote:Nah, changed my night I AM going to vig you tonight,

This is antitown behavior. More experienced players have explained to you that this is anti-town behavior. Please stop engaging in antitown behavior.

Also, get an avatar.

Spoiler: spoiler
Doc on
Beck

I'm plenty experienced playing forum mafia thank you very much.

Slandaar · Post Post #516 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:00 am

In post 500, theamatuer wrote:
Pine: one of beck/Pine is scum, and Pine seems the better canidate of the two

Why?

why does one have to be scum?

why cant they both be town?

what has alerted you to the fact one of them HAS to be scum?

theamatuer · Post Post #517 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:56 am

In post 516, Slandaar wrote:
In post 500, theamatuer wrote:
Pine: one of beck/Pine is scum, and Pine seems the better canidate of the two

Why?

why does one have to be scum?

why cant they both be town?

what has alerted you to the fact one of them HAS to be scum?

I feel that one of them should be scum based on the interaction between Beck and Pine
That possibility could happen, but one of them being scum is way more possible.
And they dont HAVE to be scum, its they SHOULD be scum due to their constant attacking of each other.

Slandaar · Post Post #518 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:05 am

what has either said that you consider scummy?

Beck · Post Post #519 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:09 am

Theam makes me nervous, rev needs to be more useful and not call people retards.

Pine · Post Post #520 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:21 am

In post 517, theamatuer wrote:
In post 516, Slandaar wrote:
In post 500, theamatuer wrote:
Pine: one of beck/Pine is scum, and Pine seems the better canidate of the two

Why?

why does one have to be scum?

why cant they both be town?

what has alerted you to the fact one of them HAS to be scum?

I feel that one of them should be scum based on the interaction between Beck and Pine
That possibility could happen, but one of them being scum is way more possible.

And they dont HAVE to be scum, its they SHOULD be scum due to their constant attacking of each other.

The bolded is a

stunning

logical fallacy. Shit, I don't even know whether that makes him more or less scummy at this point. If I thought he were feigning that kind of illogic, or trying to manipulate others into believing it, then yeah. But if he actually believes that makes sense, that throws a lot of my read off. It's like fencing with an 8-year-old (nerd alert). When fencing a novice adult, an experienced fencer can beat them easily, because adults (or at least those prone to taking up fencing) have been inundated their whole lives with poor examples of the skill. They're predictable and it's easy to get in their head. But children are sometimes the most frustrating opponents, because you don't know

what

the fuck they're going to do. Or why. Total wild cards, even if their attacks don't make an ounce of sense, they can catch you off-guard by how ridiculous they are.

popsofctown · Post Post #521 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:07 am

In post 515, Revenus wrote:
In post 512, popsofctown wrote:
In post 507, Revenus wrote:Nah, changed my night I AM going to vig you tonight,

This is antitown behavior. More experienced players have explained to you that this is anti-town behavior. Please stop engaging in antitown behavior.

Also, get an avatar.

Spoiler: spoiler
Doc on
Beck

I'm plenty experienced playing forum mafia thank you very much.

There's quantity of experience and there's quality of experience. Few, if any, other forums have a meta as strong as mafiascum does.

Early claiming vig is bad. Simple logical exercises should be able to get you from that to softclaiming vig is bad. Whether you're actually vig or not, scum have a WIFOM presented to them about whether you are the vig. This provides scum with information about your role if they see through it. There is no need to give them that info in the first place.

Someone else tell him to get an avatar, since I'm pretty sure he's deliberately going without one because he doesn't like me and I'm the one asking.

popsofctown · Post Post #522 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:12 am

In post 520, Pine wrote:
In post 517, theamatuer wrote:
In post 516, Slandaar wrote:
In post 500, theamatuer wrote:
Pine: one of beck/Pine is scum, and Pine seems the better canidate of the two

Why?

why does one have to be scum?

why cant they both be town?

what has alerted you to the fact one of them HAS to be scum?

I feel that one of them should be scum based on the interaction between Beck and Pine
That possibility could happen, but one of them being scum is way more possible.

And they dont HAVE to be scum, its they SHOULD be scum due to their constant attacking of each other.

The bolded is a
stunning
logical fallacy. Shit, I don't even know whether that makes him more or less scummy at this point. If I thought he were feigning that kind of illogic, or trying to manipulate others into believing it, then yeah. But if he actually believes that makes sense, that throws a lot of my read off. It's like fencing with an 8-year-old (nerd alert). When fencing a novice adult, an experienced fencer can beat them easily, because adults (or at least those prone to taking up fencing) have been inundated their whole lives with poor examples of the skill. They're predictable and it's easy to get in their head. But children are sometimes the most frustrating opponents, because you don't know
what
the fuck they're going to do. Or why. Total wild cards, even if their attacks don't make an ounce of sense, they can catch you off-guard by how ridiculous they are.

Which is why, given the choice, you'd watch an adult fencer's previous games to learn his tendencies, as predicting the child's behavior has become a lost cause. In the same way, it's sometimes better to keep readable players around D2 and give up on guessing at the illogical ones.

Revenus · Post Post #523 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:15 am

Fencing's gay.

Beck · Post Post #524 (ISO) » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:19 am

1. He Probably isn't the vig
2. Soft claiming vig as town, is still not preferred, but it's not bad play because mafia does have to decide if he is telling the truth.

@ Rev, I'm asking you nicely, please treat stop trying to discredit me. I can point to multiple points to where you keep trying to discredit me, calling me a retard is yet another attempt. If you have noticed I have setteled down from my earlier rage.

I'll take this time to apologize to shattered, you pissed me off and I went too far.

I'd like pine and Rev to stop ignoring me also.

Thanks.