Secret Society Mafia - Game Over

[ToastyToast]

Unvote:AlabaskaJ

This isn't happening today. Gotta take some time to make sure I feel Jackalope over dry-fit.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.
Vote: BBMolla

Others were able to speculate without claiming anything. And your claim for no reason doesn't make sense to me. A town PR would never do it without the spectre of lynching.

where does he claim…

Post 789 sure sounds like one (see post 799)

No, it doesn't. You asked him why there was only one NK in a game with two scumteams. The possible answers for that are:

1. A team forgot to submit a kill
2. One of the kills targeted the same player as either the vig or other scumteam
3. A power role (or BP) stopped one of the scumteams from killing.

He can't possibly know whether either of the first two are true unless he's scum in which case he's not admitting to it, and so the only possible motive for your question is to find out whether he knows anything about whether it might be 3). IE, trying to find out if he has a power role. What else could you possibly have been trying to find out with that question?

You're now further rolefishing him by the way you're pushing this 'He claimed' shit that, if BBMolla isn't careful, could lead to him dropping a hint that could indicate whether or not he has a pr.

So you read his response to my original post. What are your thoughts on my original post?

So after Toasty, we have Alabaska doing walls of the past. Great !

@PeregrineV

: What are your conclusions on the 'votecount' you did ? Do you see patterns or anything valuable ? If not, was it useful at all ?

I think we are heading in a wall right now. Neither Dry-Fit nor TheJakalope are defending themselves actively. For me it means that they are not town PR because those are most likely feeling the burden of responsibility (particularly for newer players), so it leaves us with them being scum or VT. Since we can't agree on one of them, I suggest switching all our votes on somebody else (like sorgster for example) at once. Remember that the day is dawning soon.

Right now it's telling me that 64% of the IceGuy voters are voting Dry-Fit or Jakalope right now.
It also tells me if you are voting Jakalope or Dry-Fit, where were you voting yesterday at days end?

I don't conclude as much from it as I would like. Since there are two teams, I was hoping to get a better view of the blocks of voters.

Global Warming, StefanB, Oversoul are voting together when you look at the two.
TheJakalope, TheFonz, BBmolla, Yosarian2, David Xanatos are voting together also.

Now, let's go back to this:

Ghostlin, if you vigged EC then why wasn't there a second scumkill?

Protective roles, Roleblocking roles.

If town did the roleblocking of one of the scum, then they would probably come in with a great case on the person in order to get them voted without revealing themselves. Scum roleblocker roleblocking the other scumteams kill, not so much.
These are the srating votes on the current wagons.

Vote: Jackalope

This will be the lynch for today. He is just making blunt statements that sometimes do not even make sense.

@Wraith: I voted IceGuy based off of scummy play near that time. I read enough of him to find him scummy(and I ISO'd him to make sure), but I hadn't gotten a chance to truly read the whole thread and get a grasp of everyone.

@Muffin: Could you make a case on alabaska? I'm not seeing it.

In my initial reread, I found David X scummy. But I think it may just be because of his family issues limiting the commitment he could put into this game, making it look scummy.

VOTE: Dry-Fit

Something about this guy bugs me, I can't put my finger on it. Want to put him more in the spotlight.

So assuming one of the two is on the team that blocked the kill, even if not the actual RBer, I can look at those teams (initial voter bolded).

TheJakalope, TheFonz,

BBmolla

, Yosarian2, David Xanatos

Global Warming

, StefanB, Oversoul

So, this is what I got out of it.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.
Vote: BBMolla

Others were able to speculate without claiming anything. And your claim for no reason doesn't make sense to me. A town PR would never do it without the spectre of lynching.

where does he claim…

Post 789 sure sounds like one (see post 799)

No, it doesn't. You asked him why there was only one NK in a game with two scumteams. The possible answers for that are:

1. A team forgot to submit a kill
2. One of the kills targeted the same player as either the vig or other scumteam
3. A power role (or BP) stopped one of the scumteams from killing.

He can't possibly know whether either of the first two are true unless he's scum in which case he's not admitting to it, and so the only possible motive for your question is to find out whether he knows anything about whether it might be 3). IE, trying to find out if he has a power role. What else could you possibly have been trying to find out with that question?

You're now further rolefishing him by the way you're pushing this 'He claimed' shit that, if BBMolla isn't careful, could lead to him dropping a hint that could indicate whether or not he has a pr.

Then lets go back to this.

1. So out of a team of 3-4 people, they all just "forgot"? Likelihood= very very small.
2. So out of 21-22 choices, those 3 or 4 people picked the exact same player as the other 3-4 people? Likelihood= very very small.
3. Maybe. So I speculated that one of the teams RBed the kill, and are now trying to lynch that roleblocked player.
What do you think about that?
You speculate that one of the teams hit a bulletproof. If that was true, how would they think to kill him? By lynching. Which means the wagons are more than random; there is something behind them.
What are your thoughts on that?

[Oversoul]

Dry-Fit and TJ not posting anythink while they are the leadwaggon is striking.

TJ's on V/La

Not like it would have mattered. He doesn't post anyway.

[Alabaska J]

@Alabaska's #814: Again with the hunting in terms of scumbuddies before there are flips. How is this useful scumhunting? Combined with the defensive nature of this post, it's definitely scummy. Still not as scummy as Dry or Jak, but you're worth lynching.

how come you call me out on it but not other people who make bold declarations like that? mine was obviously more lighthearted than, say, ZMuffinMan's facepalm. and i don't think addressing questions about you is defensive at all. care to explain how my post was defensive? what do you think about my ACTUAL scumhunting and not my joke comments? did you even bother to read those posts?

[Alabaska J]

Unvote:AlabaskaJ

This isn't happening today. Gotta take some time to make sure I feel Jackalope over dry-fit.

so you still believe i am a good lynch even though i am no longer making the posts you thought it was scummy for me to make?

[Alabaska J]

Alabaska: I think your catchuppost is helpful, but to put it simple:

Day 1: Bogre: StefanB is scum with Otalia.
Alabaska: I agree with that. (Used the Fos)

i'll stop you right here, as this is the source of the confusion. i agreed the post was fishy, but i never said that i was 100% sure they were a scum team. i was just acknowledging that Bogre made a good point that the post did not look very good. i think you were reading too much into my agreement (which is partially my fault, as i didn't state what my actual opinion on the post was)

[Dry-fit]

This sucks. Jack isn't gonna be back till the day before the deadline and it looks like it's eaither him or me. Jak isn't who I want to lynch right now but still it looks like i'll have to

Unvote. Vote: TheJakelope

The problem here is we may not be able to get a claim from him.

Fonz I know you think I've been agreeing with everyone and not gaiving any original reads, but how has a player like BBmolla been any different? I fyou lynch me at least lynch him next. There's a guy who's been doing a lot of slipping under the radar.

[ToastyToast]

Unvote:AlabaskaJ

This isn't happening today. Gotta take some time to make sure I feel Jackalope over dry-fit.

so you still believe i am a good lynch even though i am no longer making the posts you thought it was scummy for me to make?

1) Your posting is better, but not obvtown. You still do the whole one-line commentary thing that was bothering me
2) You haven't done enough to make my read do a 180, so I would say you've risen on my list, but only to null-leaning-scum.
3) You being all like "yeah, so did your read change yet? Did it? Are you gonna unvote me now?" makes me *twitch*

So basically, I don't think you would be today's best lynch, but I also don't have some new town-read on you.

[BBmolla]

Peregrine what did I claim. I'm still waiting for an answer.

[Alabaska J]

Unvote:AlabaskaJ

This isn't happening today. Gotta take some time to make sure I feel Jackalope over dry-fit.

so you still believe i am a good lynch even though i am no longer making the posts you thought it was scummy for me to make?

1) Your posting is better, but not obvtown. You still do the whole one-line commentary thing that was bothering me
2) You haven't done enough to make my read do a 180, so I would say you've risen on my list, but only to null-leaning-scum.
3) You being all like "yeah, so did your read change yet? Did it? Are you gonna unvote me now?" makes me *twitch*

So basically, I don't think you would be today's best lynch, but I also don't have some new town-read on you.

that's fine; i guess i thought your case was more based on my lack of posting than it really was. i thought you meant one-lined posts as opposed to one-line arguments. i gotcha. sorry lol i didn't mean to come off like that, but i personally feel that if someone is voting for me, there is a simple miscommunication behind it, so when i'm searching for what it is it can come off a little like that lol

[sorgster]

Otholia keeps avoiding getting lynched.

Vote TheJak

We need someone lynched this phase.

[Wraith]

Peregrine what did I claim. I'm still waiting for an answer.

What are you trying to do here? I really don't understand.

Peregrine and myself, at least, believe you softclaimed a PR. That doesn't mean we know exactly what you softclaimed. So if you yourself know that you never hardclaimed or even softclaimed a

specific

role then why are you asking? Because Peregrine avoiding an unanswerable question isn't scummy, and it seems to me that you are trying to make it so.

[BBmolla]

Peregrine what did I claim. I'm still waiting for an answer.

What are you trying to do here? I really don't understand.

Peregrine and myself, at least, believe you softclaimed a PR. That doesn't mean we know exactly what you softclaimed. So if you yourself know that you never hardclaimed or even softclaimed a

specific

role then why are you asking? Because Peregrine avoiding an unanswerable question isn't scummy, and it seems to me that you are trying to make it so.

No. Peregrine said I claimed. So me "softclaiming" makes me a good lynch target?

I'm not gonna say anything more. It was rolefishing and still is.

[Otolia]

Week-end prod evasion \o/ yay me !
Deadline is approaching very quickly -> I don't like that feeling of urgency. Is TheJakalope getting lynched or not ? If not, which person seems the most scummy target.

PS : I probably won't post more in the next 36 hours, but I'll try to read the thread.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine what did I claim. I'm still waiting for an answer.

What are you trying to do here? I really don't understand.

Peregrine and myself, at least, believe you softclaimed a PR. That doesn't mean we know exactly what you softclaimed. So if you yourself know that you never hardclaimed or even softclaimed a

specific

role then why are you asking? Because Peregrine avoiding an unanswerable question isn't scummy, and it seems to me that you are trying to make it so.

No. Peregrine said I claimed. So me "softclaiming" makes me a good lynch target?

I'm not gonna say anything more. It was rolefishing and still is.

Softclaiming as town was bad. Softclaiming as scum would be in an attempt to not get lynched.

I am voting you because
1. Your part of one of the groups in 741.
2. Unnecessary softclaim in 789.

Now, unless a bunch of people ISO you are find you scummy in the next two days, you probably won't be lynched.
But, I find you scummy enough for now to keep my vote on you.

[Magua]

David Xanatos, Bogre prodded.

Vote Count 2.12

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

TheJakalope (9): Global Warming, Ghostlin, StefanB, Otolia, DarthYoshi, Oversoul, Alabaska J, Maxous, sorgster
Dry-Fit (6): BBmolla, The Fonz, Yosarian2, David Xanatos, Empking's Alt, zMuffinMan
BBmolla (3): Wraith, Dry-fit, PeregrineV
Alabaska J (1): TheJakalope
sorgster (1): Bogre

Not voting (2): whispersilk, ToastyToast

V/LA: TheJakalope (10/24), DarthYoshi (10/24)

Deadline is October 25th, at 11:00am EST.
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2011-10-25 11:00:00)

[Alabaska J]

Peregrine what did I claim. I'm still waiting for an answer.

What are you trying to do here? I really don't understand.

Peregrine and myself, at least, believe you softclaimed a PR. That doesn't mean we know exactly what you softclaimed. So if you yourself know that you never hardclaimed or even softclaimed a

specific

role then why are you asking? Because Peregrine avoiding an unanswerable question isn't scummy, and it seems to me that you are trying to make it so.

No. Peregrine said I claimed. So me "softclaiming" makes me a good lynch target?

I'm not gonna say anything more. It was rolefishing and still is.

Softclaiming as town was bad. Softclaiming as scum would be in an attempt to not get lynched.

I am voting you because
1. Your part of one of the groups in 741.
2. Unnecessary softclaim in 789.

Now, unless a bunch of people ISO you are find you scummy in the next two days, you probably won't be lynched.
But, I find you scummy enough for now to keep my vote on you.

refusing to speculate≠softclaim. i think you are missing an "if" in that post. the way it is worded, at least to my interpretation, is him saying that

if

he had a role, revealing any knowledge of why the nightkill didn't occur would be tantamount to claiming, which even you agree would have been a bad idea.

[Bogre]

UNVOTE

There are more players I find scummy on the Jakalope wagon. In fact, most of the players I find scummy are on it.

This makes me suspicious that this is a bussing of Jak, rather than riding a mislynch.

VOTE: JAK

[StefanB]

TJ hasn't defended himself for nearly the whole day, so my point stands, even if VLA. His last 4 post before the VLA were horrible and no defence either.
Peregrines case is bad. Well it makes me think more about Peregrine as scum, as with BMola.
To much ifs for my liking to believe in that case.

[Alabaska J]

UNVOTE

There are more players I find scummy on the Jakalope wagon. In fact, most of the players I find scummy are on it.

This makes me suspicious that this is a bussing of Jak, rather than riding a mislynch.

VOTE: JAK

dat wifom

[Wraith]

Peregrine what did I claim. I'm still waiting for an answer.

What are you trying to do here? I really don't understand.

Peregrine and myself, at least, believe you softclaimed a PR. That doesn't mean we know exactly what you softclaimed. So if you yourself know that you never hardclaimed or even softclaimed a

specific

role then why are you asking? Because Peregrine avoiding an unanswerable question isn't scummy, and it seems to me that you are trying to make it so.

No. Peregrine said I claimed. So me "softclaiming" makes me a good lynch target?

I'm not gonna say anything more. It was rolefishing and still is.

Softclaiming as town was bad. Softclaiming as scum would be in an attempt to not get lynched.

I am voting you because
1. Your part of one of the groups in 741.
2. Unnecessary softclaim in 789.

Now, unless a bunch of people ISO you are find you scummy in the next two days, you probably won't be lynched.
But, I find you scummy enough for now to keep my vote on you.

refusing to speculate≠softclaim. i think you are missing an "if" in that post. the way it is worded, at least to my interpretation, is him saying that

if

he had a role, revealing any knowledge of why the nightkill didn't occur would be tantamount to claiming, which even you agree would have been a bad idea.

I think you and I (and Peregrine?) have a different way of viewing "refusal to speculate." If someone asked me that question (I would have answered but) and I didn't want to speculate, then I would have said "I don't know dude. Can't speculate without tons of WIFOM." But BBmolla immediately jumped to the conclusion that he was "rolefishing" instead. Why did he think that? You tell me.

[ToastyToast]

Ooops

FYI, I've thought about it and would prefer Jackalope over Dry-fit, any day. Rather lynch someone whose low on my scum-list than someone whose not really on my radar.

Vote:Jackalope

I counted so it should be L-1

Deleted duplicate post

[Alabaska J]

and now we wait for jak's V/LA to end so he can claim…assuming he posts immediately afterwards

[David Xanatos]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jakalope

For giggles!