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Shooting Empking, Andrius, Dekes, Will-o-wisp are not bad ideas.
However this is all contingent on MoI not dying and you actually being a vig and this not being chicanery.-
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MagnaofIllusion has been killed Night 1
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So here is my catchup that Halloween and Trick or Treat duties derailed yesterday –
UNVOTE: Sun and Moon
VOTE: Smargaret
Here is my pre-emptive "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" that I can use Post-game.
If as I expect I die tonight and the ‘more useful Vig Miller’ Sun and Moon lives those of you who are Town and still alive better not fucking just write it off. No bullshit “We don’t analyze Nightkills” crap.
Shots should go to Kayne, Dekes, Empking, Herod and Sun and Moon (but of course no-one is going to back me on this until I’m dead).
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Mina Via Andy wrote:You were the one saying not to reveal positive boons (good word choce Mina) but to reveal the timing of negative ones. THEN WHY did you reveal the EXACT TIME AND ROUND when you got your abilities?
The information only helps AGM.
I specifically stated not to reveal positive boons because there is no reason to say “Hey, I’m a Cop” without any results.
I had a result. In my judgement it was important to provide the back-up facts to explain why I didn’t have a clear from Night 1. If you think that helped AGM too much my apologies but I made the choice I believed was best for Town.
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Herod wrote:I just thought of something, and I feel stupid for not considering it earlier.
How often does a mafia mason claim to their mason partner that they are also a vig?
I would guess that this has never happened in any previous game.
It would limit their options too much. A PR claims? Can't tell your partner that you're going to kill it; so your team will be forced to either not kill that PR (yet), or pretend you tried to kill the person you agreed on and it failed, which should damage your credibility enough to make the whole gambit backfire.
So I don't see Sunandmoon as a mafia member with Magister as a townie. That doesn't rule out other possibilities, but it was previously what I saw as the most likely Sun-scum scenario.
Look, another wall of uselessness. Lots of talk that basically says "Magister and Sun and Moon aren't scum together". Duh.
‘I can’t find evidence of something, so it couldn’t have happened!” – I’ve discussed the reasons why Sun and Moon, as scum, would fake-claim Vig and Miller to his Neighbor before. That you refuse to even consider it happening is suspect.
Herod wrote:It is alignment indicative.
The fact that it could be any alignment doesn't mean it isn't more likely to be a particular alignment, and the target selection that one chooses with their action will be based on their alignment.
I think the ability is more likely to be given to a townie, but the choice of Gandalf doesn't seem protown given that Gandalf probably had no role at the time.
Linguistic gymnastics noted. Alignment indicative means just that – indicative of a certain alignment (Innocent Child / Mason are examples).
I can provide you endless examples of Scum Neighborizors. So I have no idea how you came to your “more likely to be given to a townie’ statement.
This whole paragraph can be boiled down to say the following –
“It could be either alignment. Judge by actions. I think it was given to Town but the action doesn’t say this”.
IIoA. Not definitive position taken.
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Gut wrote:To put it another way; If MoI hadn't claimed a guilty on S&M today would you still be voting for them?If the answer is yes I have no issue with you still voting them, if the answer is no, then you should really be voting for that other person instead.
Really? In regards to the bolded I’ve been calling them scum for before today you seem to have had a very large problem with it.
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Magister wrote: Why would Rain be a neighborizer?
Horrible post. Outguessing the Mod is scumtastic.
Magister wrote:Why didn't SunandMoon's shot on espeonage night two work damn it.
Oh, look, you are finally asking one of the big questions. I’ll provide you with the three possible reasons.
1. Someone protected Esp / Smarg / is lying and is bulletproof. Since we’ve had two Town protective roles flip this would mean it would be likely a scum Doctor.
2. Someone role-blocked Sun and Moon.
3. Sun and Moon is lying about being a Vig and the Mafia decided to use their kill elsewhere since Sun and Moon have a Derp Neighbor.
Once Smarg flips we can proceed to rule out any unlikely scenarios."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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1. Someone protected Esp / Smarg / is lying and is bulletproof. Since we’ve had two Town protective roles flip this would mean it would be likely a scum Doctor.
2. Someone role-blocked Sun and Moon.
3. Sun and Moon is lying about being a Vig and the Mafia decided to use their kill elsewhere since Sun and Moonhave a Derp Neighbor.
Where did you get neighbor from?
Why would someone roleblock sun and moon. Most likely, I think a doctor protect was in play.-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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MagnaofIllusion has been killed Night 1
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In post 1856, Magister Ludi wrote:Why would someone roleblock sun and moon. Most likely, I think a doctor protect was in play.
So you want to rule out 2 (I agree, I think it is the least likely scenario). That leaves 1 and 3.
If Smarg flips Town 1 goes out the window.
Are there any other scenarios you think I missed? Just want to be clear."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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MagnaofIllusion has been killed Night 1
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In post 1859, Magister Ludi wrote:No, I agree those are the most feasible scenarios from an observers point of view. The seraphs could have been involved somehow, but if they were it is unknowable how.
No, they couldn't, at least directly. Faraday and Mina have confirmed that the Seraphs CANNOT act at Night. So no Seraph driven Protect / Block / other can happen."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.-
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MagnaofIllusion has been killed Night 1
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In post 1861, Magister Ludi wrote:Ok. How did they activate your latent power then? Was it at the end of day two, or beginning of day three?
As stated it was right before Night Day 2.
But that should be clear given the Seraphs have confirmed it happened when I stated and my investigation happened Night 2.
Was this a 'tarp' ML?"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.-
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Magister Ludi Mafia Scum
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Feysal Mafia Scum
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In post 1852, Magister Ludi wrote:Ok, since no one is commenting, I'll take charge here. Feysal, I would like you to shoot Dekes. Confirm you have read this and that that is where your shot is going.
Confirmed. Dekes it is then. This may give the scum opportunity to interfere, but that is something better discussed once we see the results. And knowing where my attack goes should help Amrun in deciding hers.
smargaret has more than enough votes to lynch, but I'm putting my vote back anyway for good measure.
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Dekes Mafia Scum
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For what it's worth, killing me means killing town.
If it makes you sleep better at night, through your PoE or because you want to spare Plum from the hassle of looking for a replacement any further, go ahead.
I'd just want to point out that reasons brought up against me surrounding my apparent Pere wagon hop and MoI read (or rather lack thereof) are pure bull crap.
Unfortunately, I'm not the scum out of the contentless posters. I'd aim within WoW, SpyreX and Empking. Or, if you're unsure, Furc, cause I'd hate to see a lynch getting wasted on that down the line.
This is not me getting back into this game, because I won't have proper internet for another couple of weeks and I'm not doing something word heavy as forum mafia via my blackberry.
This is me trying to give my replacement a fair chance. Or, if Feysal's still going through with the plan, this is me giving my final scum reads.-
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According to you, you're a modified cop. If they kill you, you want us to assume that isn't the reason?In post 1854, MagnaofIllusion wrote:If as I expect I die tonight and the ‘more useful Vig Miller’ Sun and Moon lives those of you who are Town and still alive better not fucking just write it off. No bullshit “We don’t analyze Nightkills” crap.
That's not what it says at all.In post 1854, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Look, another wall of uselessness. Lots of talk that basically says "Magister and Sun and Moon aren't scum together". Duh.
I didn't say that at all.In post 1854, MagnaofIllusion wrote:‘I can’t find evidence of something, so it couldn’t have happened!”
In post 1854, MagnaofIllusion wrote:– I’ve discussed the reasons why Sun and Moon, as scum, would fake-claim Vig and Miller to his Neighbor before.
Is this it? I'm unimpressed.In post 1676, MagnaofIllusion wrote:For whatever reason they feel free to claim killing Power as a means to ‘build trust’ with you.
The post you quoted was entirely about considering it.In post 1854, MagnaofIllusion wrote:That you refuse to even consider it happening is suspect.
There's a difference between "indicative" and "confirmed". But are you even considering what you're arguing about here? Your point was that people shouldn't unvote smargaret because of her claim, and I obviously agreed.In post 1854, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Herod wrote:It is alignment indicative.
The fact that it could be any alignment doesn't mean it isn't more likely to be a particular alignment, and the target selection that one chooses with their action will be based on their alignment.
I think the ability is more likely to be given to a townie, but the choice of Gandalf doesn't seem protown given that Gandalf probably had no role at the time.
Linguistic gymnastics noted. Alignment indicative means just that – indicative of a certain alignment (Innocent Child / Mason are examples).
I don't think you know what the word endless means... but this is a simple mathematical issue. If there have been 100 mafia neighbourizers and 1000 town neighbourizers, that means that the ability is more likely to be given to a townie. If there have been an equal number of each, etc.In post 1854, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I can provide you endless examples of Scum Neighborizors. So I have no idea how you came to your “more likely to be given to a townie’ statement.
I'm voting smargaret, which indicates my position clearly.In post 1854, MagnaofIllusion wrote:This whole paragraph can be boiled down to say the following –
“It could be either alignment. Judge by actions. I think itwas given to Townwould be more likely given to Townbut the action doesn’t say this”.
IIoA. Not definitive position taken.
You just quoted me analyzing Sunandmoon's decision to claim vig to Magister Ludi on Night 1, and its implications for their alignments, and then smargaret's claim of her ability and what Espeonage did it, and its implications for their alignment, so your IIoA accusationIS.A.LIE.
I don't think you understand Gut's question. If Sunandmoon had spontaneously claimed Day 2, what would you think of them?In post 1854, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Gut wrote:To put it another way; If MoI hadn't claimed a guilty on S&M today would you still be voting for them?If the answer is yes I have no issue with you still voting them, if the answer is no, then you should really be voting for that other person instead.
Really? In regards to the bolded I’ve been calling them scum for before today you seem to have had a very large problem with it.
Unreliable, maybe, but scumtastic? Who was it who speculated on Feysal's win condition?In post 1854, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Magister wrote: Why would Rain be a neighborizer?
Horrible post. Outguessing the Mod is scumtastic.In post 924, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Dollars to donuts it is “Have Feysal kill Thurin (or whatever the main person’s name is)” if Furc isn’t bullshitting.
In post 1854, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Magister wrote:Why didn't SunandMoon's shot on espeonage night two work damn it.
Oh, look, you are finally asking one of the big questions. I’ll provide you with the three possible reasons.
1. Someone protected Esp / Smarg / is lying and is bulletproof. Since we’ve had two Town protective roles flip this would mean it would be likely a scum Doctor.
2. Someone role-blocked Sun and Moon.
3. Sun and Moon is lying about being a Vig and the Mafia decided to use their kill elsewhere since Sun and Moon have a Derp Neighbor.
Once Smarg flips we can proceed to rule out any unlikely scenarios.
Role speculation is riskier than flavour speculation.
But both (1) and (3) inherently point to smargaret being scum.Just because a majority of a group of people decide it's okay doesn't mean it's not murder. - Cobblerfone-
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I don't know whether to be happy or sad that I didn't die during the night. The biggest reason I joined this game was to fill a slot I thought was destined to be dead by morning. I've read glimpses of the game so far, about the last 4-5 pages of yesterday, reading into Feysals claim and ISO and doing a search for a specific word but other than that I'm nowhere near up to date and will make catching up my utmost priority.
Is there anyone or anything in particular I should be focusing on during my read through.-
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Honestly I expected Feysal to shoot S&M, as that would have won him a win [?] since S&M's nameconfirmed Turin and he needs Turin dead to win.
This of course I assumed fell under the "kill your targets and leave the game" deal which may or may not be true.
Seraphs have been silent all night phase.
On the 2nd AGM and Faraday bickered over which team had the worse player, Espeonage or Chrono. Mina cried over "Modified Cult Recruiter". Faraday made fun of me and I tried to bring it all together andf sing KUMBAYA. But its just been me since the second and rustling leaves.
FEYSAL: WHO YOU SHOOT BRO?
S&M: WHO YOU SHOOT?
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