Video Game UPick Mafia (Game Over)

[WrathChild]

Enlighten me

[WrathChild]

Ok, I'm back. Fate has convinved me of his/her towness. Spyrex has to be town because that's the only explanation of the no-kill. A Scum No-Kill at this point is a possible move but very conservative and when the scum are in such good shape, I don't see them being conservative. So that means by default, Sera and Kdowns are also town. I know I'm town, so that leaves, Ray, Kurbio, and Maxous. That explains why Maxous isn't dead.

If two scum (assuming the above is true and that there were 4 scum to start) are in this pool:

Not Voting (5) - WrathChild, RayFrost, Maxous, kdowns, Fate

and Maxous was indeed town, Maxous would have been hammered.

I'm ready to put my vote down, which would put Maxous at L-1, but I want to make sure everyone has said their piece first. Also please stop me if you find my logic wrong.

So logic behind Maxous-Scum

Alright, let's see what happens.

VOTE: Maxous

L-1

NO ONE HAMMER FUCKING ANYTHING

WHAT ARE YOU CLOWNS DOING

WRATH UNVOTE NOW

I saw no objection to my comments, so I felt like I'd go ahead with it. You thinking Spyrex is lying?

UNVOTE

This explains why Fate didn't trust spyrex, because spyrex was NOT the only explanation besides a No-Kill. It seems to me that Fate should have left a crumb somewhere of who he protected that night. I'll be back in a minute.

[WrathChild]

I'm stumped. I went back and looked for a Fate-Crumb of a Doc-Protect last night and came up empty handed. Now for another line of evidence that needs exploring. Early Maxous.

[WrathChild]

Maxous Vote History:

1.

Toasty

2.

Dekes

3.

Maru

4.

Scott (Kurbio)

*
5.

Meran

6.

LLD

7.

Hiraki

**
8.

Toasty

9.

Maxous

***

*Maxous votes Scott as the third vote on a quick succession Bandwagon. This fits with all his other voting patterns of bandwagoning on town. With two exceptions below.
**He's the 5th vote on Hiraki, but it was also past the point of no return for Hiraki.
***Self Hammer, OBV Scum.

This quick tidbit, makes me feel better about Kurbio-Town. Maxous was very quick to push town mis-lynch wagons and it looked like he was doing that with Scott.

[WrathChild]

wrath, keep thinking out loud like that. I'm reading it and it helps me think

also earns you town points as well as sleeping with my sister points

I guess it's better than strangling yourself with your own entrails right?

[WrathChild]

Scenerio #1

Assume we have 2 scum left, with 6 players total, 4 to lynch, which means L-2 is Hammer Range. If we mislynch today and NK is successful, we lose. So today is probably LyLo.

So here's the list:

WrathChild
RayFrost
Seraphim
SpyreX
kuribo
kdowns

I'm gonna take me off the list (for my own reasoning). Leaving:

RayFrost
Seraphim
SpyreX
kuribo
kdowns

If we trust Spyrex's claim, that takes 3 off the list:

RayFrost
kuribo

Leaving the remaining scum Ray and Kurbio. This tells me that Kurbio and Ray, if town, HAVE to think Spyrex is lying scum.

[WrathChild]

Scenerio #2:
Assume we have 2 scum left, with 6 players total, 4 to lynch, which means L-2 is Hammer Range. If we mislynch today and NK is successful, we lose. So today is probably LyLo.

So here's the list:

WrathChild
RayFrost
Seraphim
SpyreX
kuribo
kdowns

I'm gonna take me off the list (for my own reasoning). Leaving:

RayFrost
Seraphim
SpyreX
kuribo
kdowns

If we don't trust Spyrex's claim and I go by my own reads, I remove Kurbio because of Maxous' Scott Wagon attempt. I remove Sera because of the Miller wording thing. Leaving:

RayFrost
SpyreX
kdowns

Before today, I would have said Ray should be cleared, but with Fate dead, I'm not so sure.
I hated Spyrex's FAIL-CASE on me, it struck me as very scummy.
I never like how Hiraki gave Kdowns instant town pants for his Mass-Roleblock.

[WrathChild]

Fate claiming vig all out of the blue and shit is like whoaaaa

Yeah this is pretty bad, combined with the whole "Oh Noes! I was Roleblocked!". Why the hell would Ray assume Fate was claiming Vig and not scum? Yes, I know claiming scum is pretty unheard of but this tells me, that subliminally Ray knew Fate was town.

[WrathChild]

I have to go do work for now, but I suggest a closer look at Ray, which I'll do when I get back, but if anyone else wants to contribute go ahead.

I'm also thinking Fate may have protected Spyrex last night but missed because of the Hide (if we are to trust the claim).

[WrathChild]

It doesnt help that in my first two scenerios he's still in the scum-bucket.

[WrathChild]

Fate dying and both Wraith and Ray misreading my claim?

Maybe like they thought I hid last night?

A mystery, no.

So we can either lynch one of them today or let it go to night and then ~mystery roleblock~ and kuribo turns up dead.

Your call.

How'd I mis-read your claim?

[WrathChild]

Anyone else get role-blocked? Like during the entire course of this game?

[WrathChild]

Fun with Vote Counts:

End of Day 1:

Day 1, Vote Count #26

MagnaofIllusion

(0)

-

Dekes

(1) -

Scott Brosius

WrathChild

(1) -

Lady Lambdadelta

GreyICE

(0) -

Ant_to_the_max

(0) -

Lady Lambdadelta

(0) -

RayFrost

(1) -

Hiraki

Hiraki

(2) -

WrathChild

,

MagnaofIllusion

ToastyToast

(0) -

Maxous

(0) -

AGar

(0) -

dramonic

(0) -

Seraphim

(0) -

Meransiel

(9) -

Ant_to_the_max

,

SpyreX

,

GreyICE

,

dramonic

,

kdowns

,

Maxous

,

ToastyToast

,

Seraphim

,

RayFrost

SpyreX

(0) -

Scott Brosius

(1) -

AGar

kdowns

(0) -
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (2) -

Dekes

,

Meransiel

My first reaction is that I think obviously Hiraki wanted to steer clear of the mislynch on Meran and I don't think he had the capcity to want to push so hard against Ray that day. Man, so much back and forth on Ray.

[WrathChild]

End of Day 2

Day 2, Vote Count #7

MagnaofIllusion

(1) -

GreyICE

Dekes

(0) -

WrathChild

(2) -

Hiraki

,

dramonic

GreyICE

(0) -

Ant_to_the_max

(0) -

Lady Lambdadelta

(0) -

RayFrost

(0) -

Hiraki

(9) -

RayFrost

,

MagnaofIllusion

,

WrathChild

,

Seraphim

,

Maxous

,

ToastyToast

,

SpyreX

,

kdowns

,

Lady Lambdadelta

ToastyToast

(1) -

AGar

Maxous

(0) -

AGar

(0) -

dramonic

(0) -

Seraphim

(0) -

SpyreX

(0) -

kuribo

(0) -

kdowns

(0) -
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (3) -

Dekes

,

Ant_to_the_max

,

kuribo

The only thing that really stands out here for me is the no-vote by Kurbio and that Ray was the first one on the Hiraki train.

[WrathChild]

End of Day 3:

Day 3, Vote Count #20

MagnaofIllusion

(0) -

Fate

(0) -

WrathChild

(0) -

hiplop

(1) -

RayFrost

Lady Lambdadelta

(6) -

WrathChild

,

Seraphim

,

kdowns

,

hiplop

,

MagnaofIllusion

,

Lady Lambdadelta

RayFrost

(0) -

Maxous

(0) -

Seraphim

(3) -

kuribo

,

Fate

,

SpyreX

SpyreX

(0) -

kuribo

(0) -

kdowns

(0) -
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (1) -

Maxous

So here's something interesting. Is it possible that the entire LLD wagon was town? If we believe Spyrex, that is the case. No-Vote by Maxous noted, but it doesn't really matter at this point.

[WrathChild]

End of Day 4

Day 4, Vote Count #4

Fate

(0) -

WrathChild

(0) -

hiplop

(5) -

Fate

,

SpyreX

,

kdowns

,

WrathChild

,

kuribo

RayFrost

(0) -

Maxous

(0) -

Seraphim

(0) -

SpyreX

(0) -

kuribo

(0) -

kdowns

(0) -
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (4) -

hiplop

,

RayFrost

,

Maxous

,

Seraphim

Another no-vote by Maxous, but that's moot. We also have a no-vote from Ray and Sera. The Hiplop lynch happened fast and it's hard to get a read off it. It requires a closer look.

[WrathChild]

End of Day 5

Day 5, Vote Count #10

Fate

(1) -

kdowns

WrathChild

(0) -

RayFrost

(0) -

Maxous

(5) -

SpyreX

,

kuribo

,

Seraphim

,

Fate

,

Maxous

Seraphim

(0) -

SpyreX

(0) -

kuribo

(0) -

kdowns

(0) -
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (2) -

RayFrost

,

WrathChild

Now obviously we want to look at the Not-Voters, me and Ray. However as I said earlier, I was voting Maxous until Fate demanded that I unovte and then during my usual weekend V/LA Maxous was lynched. Ray on the other hand says he wants to vote Maxous and calls him scum a couple times but never put his money where his mouth was.

[WrathChild]

the thing you forget about my no vote on hiraki is that LLD hammered him literally less that an hour after I replaced in.

you also forget that Spyspy wanted me to hammer him, despite the fact that I hadn't read the game yet

So do you think Spy is scum?

[WrathChild]

WrathChild

- Starkiller JOAT (Rolestop/Vig-Miller) - Vig makes you a miller and lose rolestop. Protected MoI night 1, used Vig on Dram D2

RayFrost

- Sayaka Enchanted Arms Bodyguard - none, SpyreX, Fate, Fate, Fate (failed)

Seraphim

- Daniel - Amnesia - Miller

SpyreX

- 2-Shot Hider (clears Kdowns and Sera)

kuribo

- Tony Hawk - Hahahah - VT

kdowns

- Genie - Kingdom Hearts - 1 Shot Global RB (Confirmed)

Meransiel

- Leliana (Vanilla Townie)

Hiraki

- Rodrigo Borgia (Modified Bulletproof Godfather)

GreyICE

- Neku Sakuraba (Neighbor/Co-JOAT): Roleblocked Kdowns Night 1 (Failed), Tracker option, Assumed Cop

dramonic

- Sandy Pantz (Vanilla Townie)

ToastyToast

- Nathan Drake (Tracker)

AGar

- Tassadar (Suicide Bomber)

Lady Lambdadelta

- Rocket (One-Shot Bus Driver)

MagnaofIllusion

- The Stranger (Backup)

hiplop

- Shiki Misaki (Neighbor/Co-JOAT): Roleblocked Kdowns Night 1 (Failed), Tracker option

Maxous

- Lord Blazer (Follower) (Fake Claim VT)

Fate

- Purim (Doctor) (No Targets Revealled)

Yeah yeah yeah, outguess the mod /off. In Kdubs last game (23 player total) there was 5 scum (22%) and 1 SK (4%), there were 4 VT (17%). I want to look at balance and percentages, but need to break for lunch ATM.

[WrathChild]

Here's some food for thought: Game supposedly contains Town-Rolestopper, Scum-Roleblocker, Town-JOAT Roleblocker, One Shot Global Roleblocker... wait a god-damn minute. Scum-Roleblocker and One-Shot Global Roleblock is 95% likely to be the same role. That means Kdowns is scum (who' of thought) (Sarcasm) and Spyrex is lying scum. Preparing Scenerio #3.

[WrathChild]

No need to expend on scenerio #3. If Kdowns roleblocked Ray, Kdowns and Spyrex are scum.

[WrathChild]

I just don't like the fact that it can lead to a potential mislynch which would be bad for us.

At this point Maru was by far the scummiest player and at L-2, but this reads as if Kdowns knew this was a mislynch already.

... I just read Part of One Game of Maruchan's... -FacePalm-

VOTE: Maruchan

Maruchan's self destruction is imminent.

In the course of 8 posts, Kdowns pulls this out of his ass as an excuse to put Maru back at L-2. What the fuck kind of messed up reasoning is this? I just read a part of one of Maru's games so now he's obvscum, when he was a mislynch 8 posts ago?

Nah, not scum

Just was voting based off this game so far and his game that I read up to his lynch. There is a huge possibilty that maruchan can be either town or scum but it's really hard to read him at this point. Then again right now anyone could come right by and just hammer him but we don't want that unless we can get a read on him

Holy crap, if this isn't the most obvious fence-sit stance, I don't know what is. Oh and how's the "Oh, Maru can get hammered right not, I hope no one does, WINK WINK"?

o_o I do believe I said "It's Really Hard to read him at this point" I did not say I didn't or did think he was scum. While you are preassuring me about it. I did think about unvoting at that time but then someone would of said along the lines " OMG, He unvoted because of pressure he MUST be scum."
I've seen this done many times. If I unvoted right now I'd actually be setting myself up for more questioning also.

Here he re-emphasizes his fence-stance.

o_o I do believe I said "It's Really Hard to read him at this point" I did not say I didn't or did think he was scum. While you are preassuring me about it. I did think about unvoting at that time but then someone would of said along the lines " OMG, He unvoted because of pressure he MUST be scum."
I've seen this done many times. If I unvoted right now I'd actually be setting myself up for more questioning also.

If it wasn't clear enough.

... How does my post hurt you I was just answering my question about the reasoning behind my vote.

Then again, I do see where you guys are getting at. Hmm... Over Cautious? I think I am playing in a way I think is beneficial to me and the town.

UNVOTE:

Also we do need more time to read Maruchan.

Grey can you explain why you are Buddying up with MoI against me?

Look at me! I'm a good townie!

MoI, I NEVER DID SAY wether or not I thought he was scum, I have my own reads that I haven't given out and yet you keep pushing the issue of "me voting someone who I didn't think was scum". I did read one full game of him up untill he was lynched, I read him as Scum and He Flipped Town.


Also Seraphim, Jumping on the Wagon Much?

In case you weren't sure, he's still sitting on the fence about Maru.

Claim Time...

I'm Genie from Kingdom Hearts with an ability called Wish: That can Prevent ALL night time abilities even the Mafia Kill.

L-3 claim. L-2 is standard, L-3 is fishy.

If you played Kingdom Hearts... You'd know which side Genie was on.

Yeah! Flavor speculate on me guys! I'm a good guy! But as I mentioned before Jafar was also a Genie at one point.

VOTE: Maruchan

Can we boil him and then add some flavor to it?

Let's go back to the mislynch that I fence sat about yesterday.

Grey, I remember claiming I have the ability, but why would I use it tonight? I rather use it when it matters the most. I'm sorry my posts haven't been as informational as they could be but I rather just watch the other people build cases against each other and give my feedback when I feel it's necessary.

I'm not going to scum hunt okay guys? I'll just parrot other people's cases and bandwagon vote all game okay?

I honestly don't know if I will get NKed, I only offered to not use it the first night so the Cops can do there thing so we don't mislynch tomorrow.

Because everyone knows the Day 1 cop investigations with millers and godfathers a plenty are so goddamn helpful!

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Meransiel

Yeah a bandwagon! Puts Town Meran at L-3

VOTE: Wrath

Ohhh another Bandwagon! Puts Town Wrath at L-3 with NO reasoning

Why I think Hiraki is scummy and not scummy at the same exact time. His short posts which lack information regarding the game is alarming but at the same time isn't. Also, the fact about this whole FF7 slip, which I personally don't see as a slip.

Why I think Wrath is scummy is because of his reactions to having a wagon quickly form on him.

Holy crap! Scared to put Hiraki at L-2 or something. Hiraki was fully damned at this point and Kdowns doesn't vote him. I mean seriously look at the garbage in this post, " His short posts which lack information regarding the game is alarming but at the same time isn't" WHAT!?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Hiraki

Oh, you finally figured it out? Hiraki was on a one-way train to lynch-ville, this reads reluctant while his other bandwagon votes read indifferent.

VOTE: LLD

Claim time for the scum.

No logic, only bandwagon. Puts Town LLD at L-1.

Hi Hiplop

VOTE: Hiplop

Bye Hiplop

No logic only bandwagon. Puts Town Hiplop at L-2.

Fate, Shall we Lynch the Scumz together to Victory? <3

Hey Fate can we be friends, I'll talk like I want to bus Scum Maxous, but will never actually vote him.

I'm willing to hammer Maxous if I need to.

I'll talk like I want to bus Scum Maxous, but will never actually vote him.

Fate, you're just fucking annoying

VOTE: Fate

At this point it was pretty clear that Fate was town, I was even able to get past my doubts of him by this point and I was the main one scrutinizing him.

I've stated that I'm willing to hammer Maxous, but for the time being my attention is on Fate.

I'll talk like I want to bus Scum Maxous, but will never actually vote him.

I'm not lurking, I just haven't had time to post anything at all.

That's Lurking

Die Scum

VOTE: Kdowns

[WrathChild]

Like the words SERA is supposed to have

and where the hell is this guy?

that post of Sera's that Fate linked awhile back from that game you all were in was god-damn glorious. it was like reading Sam Fucking Waterston on Law and Order. I'd have voted the fuck out of GreyICE after reading Sera's masterpiece in that game.

but where the hell is the guy now? Where are the impassioned pleas?

I still think he's fucking scum.

(shhhhhh its SpyreX+Sera+Maxous but most of all its Maxous lol GO FOR BROKE BABY AND NEVER GET NIGHT KILLED)

You think its sera and not Kdowns?

[WrathChild]

Yeah, I haven't been overly impressed with the Sera case, but the whole Miller wording thing really makes me think he is town. It seems pretty apparent that scum were not given detailed fake-claims if any.

[WrathChild]

EWOP: I haven't been overly impressed with Sera. Not his case.

[WrathChild]

Well, I'm off for the Day (RL). I don't feel like leaving my vote unattended though.

Unvote

until tomorrow (RL).

[WrathChild]

HEy Kdowns, what's your wincon?

[WrathChild]

Holy shit. This stupidity is making my brain hurt. Seriously? If you're going to flavor case me read a bit more about Force Unleashed Kurbio. Every game has a choice at the end where you pick the lightside or the darkside. At the end of FUII, Starkiller is given the option of killing darth vader and succombing to the dark side, or sparing him and going on to find peace in the light side. Obviously the miller clause is to represent me chosing the path of the dark side, but it doesn't make me scum. How hard is it to understand that I was sure that after I had pushed so harad for the Hiraki Lynch, I would be dead soon, so I made sure not to let my shot go to waste.

As far as me still being alive when I was sure I was going to get offed, the argument of me still being alive is crap and anyone who's played this game before knows it. That's like scum-tactics 101, leave the guy alive that everyone expects to get dead.

I 100% fricking guarantee town losses if I get hung. Seriously, you need to get a grip of yourselves if you think I'm scum. It's paranoia paradise in here. You are coming up with all these fucking conspiracy theories about how I'm scum when you're ignoring the very obvious.

[WrathChild]

Why do I want Wrath first? Because let's talk flavor.

Rodrigio Borgia = evil pope = godfather
Lord blazer = demon = scum
Sayaka = master swordsman = ???
Starkiller = RAISED BY DARTH VADER = ???
Daniel = a guy who can't remember his identy = miller
Purim = healer = doctor
Tassadar = killed himself to destroy the Overmind = suicide bomber
Shiki Masaki and Neku Sakuraba = partners in the game = neighbors
Nathan Drake = Treasure Hunter = Tracker
kdowns = Genie = really, it's a fucking genie, that could be anything

So with all that said, I'll give the rest of you a homework assignment:
Here's SpyreX's claim:
http://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/Arilou_Lalee%27lay

Discuss.

I'm really curious as to why you would go into such depths to explore Spyrex's claim via wikipedia and then just go "DERP! DARTH VADER'S APPRENTICE!" on mine. A simple wikipedia search would tell you Starkiller is just as much savior to the rebel alliance as he is their Bane in that game.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galen_Marek

[WrathChild]

Where do you get that MoI saying I'm town makes me scum?

Anyways, hold your rage for a moment. I want to talk to you level headed like. I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming that I am town, but whatever, we can disagree on that for now.

I like your point about spyrex being able to come up with something better than hider to win in MyLo. Now before I move on, I need to now something from Ray. It is absolutely critical he answers this ASAP:

@Ray: Were you notified that you were roleblocked?

[WrathChild]

Day 6, Vote Count #2

WrathChild (1)

- RayFrost

RayFrost (1)

- SpyreX

Seraphim (0)

-

SpyreX (0)

-

kuribo (0)

-

kdowns (0)

-

No Lynch (0)

-

Not Voting (4)

- Seraphim, kdowns, WrathChild, kuribo

6 votes available, 4 votes needed to lynch

Deadline is November 16, ~ 8:30 pm PDT

Is this 100% correct? There is an error, is it intentional?

[WrathChild]

Never mind, my bad

[WrathChild]

I thought Spy had voted me.

[WrathChild]

Where do you get that MoI saying I'm town makes me scum?

Anyways, hold your rage for a moment. I want to talk to you level headed like. I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming that I am town, but whatever, we can disagree on that for now.

I like your point about spyrex being able to come up with something better than hider to win in MyLo. Now before I move on, I need to now* something from Ray. It is absolutely critical he answers this ASAP:

@Ray: Were you notified that you were roleblocked?

EBWOP: *Know

[WrathChild]

Where do you get that MoI saying I'm town makes me scum?

when did i say that?

i said that i had suspicions that you were scum, but every time i expressed them, MoI claimed you were so fucking townie and that LLD was so fucking scum

what i'm saying is that he's not here anymore to stop me from looking into your behavior and claims.

That's fair enough. At this point I don't expect you to not look into the possibilities of me being scum. I really need to know Ray's response to my question.

[WrathChild]

Can we keep talking about stuff?

If Force Unleashed is so crappy, what's a good game in your opinion?

@Ray: Were you notified that you were roleblocked?

[WrathChild]

Binding of Isaac? I'll have to google that. Now that you mention it, the second one was a bit less exciting than the first Force Unleashed.

[WrathChild]

@Ray: Were you notified that you were roleblocked?

[WrathChild]

This is all cute except for one huge thing

Unless KDub is taking a new and exciting approach to night actions, you cant block a hider.

OHH SNAP

Sigh. I asked RAY if he was notified that HE was roleblocked. No where did I ask Ray if Spyrex was roleblocked.

[WrathChild]

Spyrex, can you please refrain from the subject until Ray answers me? Please feel free to discuss other things though. In fact, it will help my cause. Here's someething to talk about.

From Spyrex PoV:

WrathChild
RayFrost
kuribo

2 of these 3 are scum.

[WrathChild]

That wasn't about you chuckles. That was Ray's new "ohhhh Sera was a blocked hide" business.

Still doesn't change not voting for me over kdowns AND trying to even pretend to explain SpyreX UN Kdowns scum versus SpyreX and Sera scum.

I know exactly what that was referring to, now drop it like I asked you too. I GET IT. SO DO YOU.

Kdowns is scummy as fuck. Sorry, I went after him first. His scumminess brought my concerns of your honesty to the forefront of discussion.

[WrathChild]

PS Kdowns came and checked and bailed again with no comment on the last 3 pages of discussion.

[WrathChild]

Is everyone here flippin deaf? I asked that you drop this until Ray answers:

@Ray: Were you notified of your roleblock?

[WrathChild]

"While Hiding, the Hider itself is considered an ineligible target for actions - all actions that target the Hider specifically will fail. This applies even to otherwise "piercing" abilities like Strongman kills."

My rules lawyering is better than yours. So are you going to confess to being scummy scum or just plain wrong? Yes I had never heard of this role until Spyrex claimed it, so I read it VERY carefully.

[WrathChild]

Anyways, where I was going with the whole notification thing was that from "Ray's Epiphany":

The epiphany isn't too amazing, but holy fuck.

Spyrex is definitively town. He's been consistent across his posting. I tried to read through and understand a possibility of him being scum but there just isn't.

I got roleblocked last night, I know this to be true as fate is dead and I live.

This makes it

easily possible

for spyrex to be town and have been roleblocked on one/both the nights he actioned. It's likely that fate protected one of the night kills (likely kdowns from what spyrex pointed out).

Now, stay with me here. The scum is seraphim. I know we pulled away from this, but it's truth. Seraphim and wrathchild. They've been consistently hand holding each other through this game. Seraphim claimed miller with "special wordingz" which wrathchild went WINKWINK SIMILAR WARDINGZ BROHAMS all over. He's been constantly propping this up and seraphim has been lurking to eternity just to avoid having to do anything: he's letting us self-destruct while wrath tries to create as few connections to him as possible.

Let's analyze wrathchild here: as spyrex/kuribo have said, what he's going for doesn't make sense. He presents a big old line of "reasoning" which shows spyrex scum and then goes for kdowns instead. He says "unvote me if you don't want to lose" - a pitiful attempt to appeal to emotion and nonsensical considering spyrex should be scum from his logic.

He's said seraphim is town all game based off of one thing: LOL THE WORDINGZ MAYNE THEY SO SIMILAR TO MAH OWN STUFFZ. Nevermind the fact seraphim has done jack shit to look town all game and has been resting on his laurels with that miller claim since essentially day one.

He's also claimed role stopper which is all well and dandy, but I have a feeling the truth is there in the lie: roleblocker. We have our sum ladies and gentlemen.

He was making his case assuming Spyrex was roleblocked. Spyrex never mentioned any such thing, so if Ray said he was notified, he was OBVScum, but certain people ruined that gambit.

Now going back to his "Epiphany", it looks like he is trying to create about confirmed towns, while still trusting Spyrex. Really today has made me feel more and more suspicious on Ray. All of his accusations seem totally failcakes to me. Just like Spyrex's. I've bared witness to logic-fail over and over in the last couple days from several different people. It doesn't make any of this easier.

The bottom line is that Spyrex is lying or he's not. I'm torn on Spyrex because his shitty pushes on me are shitty, just like Ray's, but the whole, he would have claimed something other than hider thing really leans me towards that he is town. Kdowns is probably just a village idiot and I'm willing to accept that. I don't know what Sera's excuse is, but Sera, Kdowns and Spyrex can't all be scum, but they can all be town.

[WrathChild]

I've got to trust Spyrex here. I've been back and forth about it a lot (Obviously), while I may not agree with his play, the dots line up. I'm about to vote Ray after a few quick ISO read throughs.

[WrathChild]

@Sera: What's it gonna take to get you involved here? I want Sera's opinion on every player.

[WrathChild]

Vote: Wrathchild

Hey I'm off work and mostly V/LA on the weekends. Are you telling me you don't think I'm considering you scum? Hell yes, I'm considering you scum, but I'm working on Ray a bit first because, as I said earlier, he is scum in both my scenerios, you only in one.

[WrathChild]

ISO me

[WrathChild]

Now that I've decided I'm gonna trust spyrex that makes the clear lynch choice ray for sure. Now that ray has made clear he's dumb or scum by not grasping the concept that if kurbio is town he himself is scum. If I'm trusting spy then I'm safe either voting ray or kurbio. Since ray has several strikes against him already I'm comfortable leaving a vote on him.

vote: ray

-Sent from my Windows Phone

[WrathChild]

Shut up kdowns. You posting makes me second guess that you and spyrex are town. Kurbio didn't out shit. If you believe that spyrrx is truthful, kurbio has to think me and ray are scum. I have to think ray and kurbio are scum and ray has to think me and kurbio are scum. I see no fucking case on me that can hold water against logic and not paranoia. Ray had made flub after flub today, what do either of those scum have on me? If dram wasn't a 100% honest town shot I don't know what is.

-Sent from my Windows Phone

[WrathChild]

Shut up kdowns. You posting makes me second guess that you and spyrex are town. Kurbio didn't out shit. If you believe that spyrrx is truthful, kurbio has to think me and ray are scum. I have to think ray and kurbio are scum and ray has to think me and kurbio are scum. I see no fucking case on me that can hold water against logic and not paranoia. Ray had made flub after flub today, what do either of those scum have on me? If dram wasn't a 100% honest town shot I don't know what is.

-Sent from my Windows Phone

[WrathChild]

Right now though I'll VOTE: Wrath

If you are town use your goddamn brain for a minute and stop buying this bullshit. I have fucking hard evidence my claim is true and my shot was protown

[WrathChild]

Seriously look at my claim versus rays. I've have confirmed my vigness and ray failed to confirm his role.

[WrathChild]

Time to blow this shit out of the water.

Let's just forget about the fact that I pushed Hiraki's lynch from Day 1 and take a look at some Cold Hard Logic.

Night 2 when I killed Dram (you know the guy that I strongly associated with Hiraki), I had the following choices:

MagnaofIllusion
Dekes
GreyICE
Ant_to_the_max
Lady Lambdadelta
RayFrost
ToastyToast
Maxous
AGar
dramonic
Seraphim
SpyreX
kuribo
kdowns

Now let's look at the Scum Kill List:
GreyIce
MoI
Spyrex (Assumed Fail)
Fate

Does that look like a fucking scum team that kills off scummy VI's!?

Fuck NO!

They kill fucking hot-shots and big wigs. They don't kill easy mis-lynches like Dram, they leave those players alive. It's FUCKING OBVIOUS!!!!

HOW THE FUCK IS THE DRAM KILL AN EXTRA FUCKING SCUM KILL!!!?!??!?!?!?

[WrathChild]

If you believe that spyrrx is truthful, kurbio has to think me and ray are scum. I have to think ray and kurbio are scum and ray has to think me and kurbio are scum.

Patently false with the presence of a roleblocker but nobody believes me so WELP.

Roleblockers CAN NOT target hiders... PERIOD!!!! I already demonstrated that. You either believe Spyrex or you don't. There is no middle ground.

[WrathChild]

Scum, go ahead and kill kuribo. I won't even try to stop you. I give up.

What the fuck does Kurbio have to do with anything right now? If you're town and so sure kurbio is town then SPYREX is lying! Do you want to stickup from your scum buddy anymore?

Luckily you and Kurbio are already voting me so I don't have to worry about the fast-hammer.

Here's what will happen if we no lynch today. Scum will kill one of the two VI's Spyrex confirmed and argue that Spyrex is scum and just picked townies to "hide" behind.

[WrathChild]

I really hate yelling like this, but it happens occasionally when I get frustrated in what seems so painfully obvious to me is so fucking hard to grasp for other people.

[WrathChild]

Shit. I was hoping to fake hammer

[WrathChild]

unvote

in case it matters. Well played spyrex. You still blow kdowns

[WrathChild]

I blame kurbio for being such an aggressive dumbshit about how obvtown I was. That's the problem with mafiascum. Most people think new = dumb. You get guys like kurbio every game that think since a player has 3 games under belt here that they don't know what they're talking about. Mups.

I was really looking forward to fucking his sister.

[WrathChild]

Problem was that it was fucking obvious. It doesn't need a defense. Seriously? You didn't think kdowns was fucking obvscum? That's why I went after his dumbass first today but then I had 4 other dumbasses to contend with. Someday we can be friends but not today. Get over yourself and realize you were an idiot about me. Yeah I'm as much to blame as anyone else but you were just an asshole and ignorant most of this game.

How many times did I tell you to read my posts? If you truly think my defense to being called scum was "but I'm so fucking town" then you obviously didn't read like I told you to.

[WrathChild]

Living Players (2)

SpyreX:

Nice game. Well played, you have my respect back.

kdowns

: I wish I vigged you instead of Dram, Dram would have contributed more. You played lousy, and rode Spyrex's gambit to a W.

Game Over (15)

Meransiel:

Such an OBV Scum-Waste Lynch, I wish more people saw it because I didn't think you were as worthless as some.

Hiraki

: Such a bad Scum you deserved what you got.

GreyICE

: Like Kurbio, a bit too aggressive for my liking

dramonic:

It was a waste of a shot if you ask me. I was just so sure you had some thing going with Hiraki. I wish I could take it back and keep Rolestop.

ToastyToast:

I thought you got a pretty bad wrap this game, yeah you had a few scum/dumb moments, but nothing to get blown up IMO.

AGar:

I like Agars play usually, though I was a bit bummed about the Rage-Bomb on Toasty

Lady Lambdadelta

: God Damn you had a tough job cleaning up Maru's mess and in the long run I let that and your short-sitedness on me really blind me on that mislynch.

MagnaofIllusion:

I really don't get the hate against MoI, I thought he performed exceptionally.

hiplop

: Wow, I wish you would have just got your facts straight before you started spouting off. I'm sorry about that lynch. It almost feels worse than the LLD one.

Maxous

: Up until the day you got lynch I thought pretty solid scum-play.

Fate:

Nice replace in, I wish I could get over my fear of scum-fate sooner in these games, because once I realize you're town you're dead the next night.

RayFrost:

Your lynch was a push but by the time I accepted to believe Spyrex's claim you were the easier lynch than Kuribo (spelled it right!). I actually had a pretty solid read on you until you let fate die.

kuribo:

My god you are an asshole, and really narrow minded. I don't like that you go into games with BROS and trust them till the end and alternately pick people like me to rage on no matter what happens/ed. I can see you're a strong player, but I think I was just on the wrong end of perceived newbie rage.

WrathChild

: This guy was obvtown from Day 1, thank god no body lynched him.

Seraphim

: Really you should be ashamed, your lack of effort was definitely a major factor in this town loss. If you're not interested replace out.

Kdub:

Awesome design and modding. Thank you very much.

[WrathChild]

I wasn't the only one who thought I was town. From my perspective you're case against me was, "you are a dumbshit scum" when I was painfully town and had proof to back it up. So I took that as you being a narrow minded asshole. I mean come on, I'm right right? You seem to take pride in being that way. Am I right?

[WrathChild]

@kuribo: If you think my defense was "I'm so obvtown" you're an idiot.

[WrathChild]

To clarify. Its fine to think I could have been scum. Smart even. But to continually say my only defense was "But deerp um town !" is what's stupid.