Mini 1241: Lab Mafia (Game Over)

[4nxi3ty]

nanook was actively pushing

mine and

fenix's lynch

, process of elimination leaves you and rbt.

-RBT Sheeped Every Wagon That Ended In A Mislynch
-Fenix actions has threatned both his position and Nanook's in this game while RBT has continually played the safe route.
-RBT was overeager to be "confirmed townie"
-El Simo (the person who shot correctly and saved us from a loss) was more suspicious of RBT and said Fenix's fakeclaim was more likely to come from town due to a prior game.
-The NO KILL is more likely to come from RBT than FENIX given that it is the cautious play.

Vote: RBT

[charter]

Well, looks like we're going to have a tie unless you grow a pair and vote Fenix.

[charter]

And in response, Fenix never voted for Nanook, Fenix never even MENTIONED Nanook. How do you explain that? Fenix just pushed for town lynches.
Fenix tried to look town, but failed spectacularly.
Why is it not town to be confirmed town? Everyone wants to be confirmed town.
Unless you agree with El Simo's reasoning for suspecting RBT, it's very bad play to blindly follow someone because they were right about something else.
The no kill only makes sense if Fenix is scum. If RBT was scum, she could kill you and we lynch Fenix the next day. Fenix is worried that if he kills me, you'll reconsider and vote him.


Your whole "Fenix actions has threatned both his position and Nanook's in this game" I think is flawed. Fenix has been lurking hardcore lately. The whole beginning of the game, Fenix did NOTHING but drone on and on and on about lurkers and all he did was useless lurker hunting. That's SOOOOOO easy of a strategy for scum to take, but he has avoided actually doing any scumhunting the whole game while pretending to. RBT just never even pretended, but Fenix's faking it is an ironclad scumtell.

[Riceballtail]

Yeah, you know why I wanted to be confirmed? I wanted scum to NK me, so that way LyLo wouldn't have to deal with terrible play like the one you're putting forth 4nx.

I would NOT no kill. I would definitely shoot you 4nx, so that I could simply vote Fenix and win.

Your terrible reasoning is terrible.

Vote Fenix, or vote yourself off so that we can lynch scum. (If you're town, just vote Fenix and save us the step.)

[Empking]

Vote Count 5.2

2. charter
7. Riceballtail (2) - Fenix 4nxi3ty
8. Fenix (2) - Riceballtail, charter
9. 4nxi3ty

Not Voting:

[4nxi3ty]

@charter; I have re-read this thread with an open mind several times, and each time I have come to the same conclusion: that Fenix is more likely to be town and RBT is more likely to flip scum.Please explain to me how, aside from meta, RBT is obvtown.

@rbt, if you want to convince me to vote Fenix, explain your reasons for voting L, Wasabi, and Internet Stranger.

[charter]

Once you take meta into account, there's no reason to suspect RBT and there is still a ton of reasoning for voting Fenix. At least read a game of RBT's where she is town.

IS plays in a bunch of games with her, and he didn't suspect her either.

[Fenix]

Here's the deal, I have a big post in the makings to address your posts, charter. But I wanted to make a post to show you this.



I was going to use that photo to illustrate how ridiculous all three of you were being in relation to this situation, because I thought all three of you were arguing points, and all three of you were talking about how the other side is being close-minded. But then I re-read and realized, you're the only one being close minded. I'm the only unconfirmed town, naturally RBT's going to push my lynch. Anxiety has been making points this entire time, and arguing with logic. But you on the other hand...

there is about zero chance I will vote RBT.

So is there any reason you're voting RBT, or have you just stopped pretending?

So Anxiety is confirmed town, which means Fenix or RBT, and that's a pretty easy decision. I'll go back and try and

embellish

my case on Fenix some more.

I know RBT looks like scum, but I'm telling you, she does this

every

game.

I'm not voting RBT, period.

No way I will vote RBT

Any vote other than one for Fenix is a vote for no lynch.

I am voting Fenix no matter what, whether you die or not.

Well, looks like we're going to have a tie unless you grow a pair and vote Fenix.

You're just being stubborn.

[Fenix]

And in response, Fenix never voted for Nanook, Fenix never even MENTIONED Nanook. How do you explain that?

I comment a lot on people I don't find scummy or find hard to read. I've also failed to mention a lot of the playerlist. Please read this post. There is a reason I keep pointing that out, it's not so you can ignore me and keep arguing the same old points, it's so you recognize the nature of my play. That post is one of the few/only early posts where I've mentioned chkflip, el simo, and IS. That's four people total. Out of eleven. That's 36% of the playerlist. If you wish to keep arguing that point, fine, but please stop pretending like there is no other possible explanation.

Fenix just pushed for town lynches.

I have pushed for RBTs lynch. I'm almost positive I could come up with a list of people who have failed to mention Nanook because both he and RBT have been trying to fly under the radar, but that requires reading 15 ISOs extensively.

Fenix tried to look town, but failed spectacularly.

You're still on about my fakeclaim at the very start, and you were also the one who was insistent that we drop any jester talk of any kind.

Why is it not town to be confirmed town? Everyone wants to be confirmed town.

One of your main points

against

me is that I "attempted to look town". The difference is, RBT tried directly to secure herself as confirmed town when she wasn't, and I took the risk of not looking town for a gambit. The two are distinctly different, however, and I have never once said "I took the risk of not looking town, therefore I am town". I have given my reasons for fakeclaiming, because many people have asked. You have also asked me why my fakeclaim is town, but if you think it was trying to look town, there's obviously

something

about it that would make you think "a townie probably did that". When you figure out what that is, you have your answer. And tell me what it is too, because I found fake-claiming to be quite harmful to the town.

The no kill only makes sense if Fenix is scum. If RBT was scum, she could kill you and we lynch Fenix the next day. Fenix is worried that if he kills me, you'll reconsider and vote him.

You're using WIFOM logic and it's making my head spin.

Fenix has been lurking hardcore lately.

I've been just as active as everyone else, you simply can't be satisfied. And once again this should show you that you're being unreasonable.

The whole beginning of the game, Fenix did NOTHING but drone on and on and on about lurkers and all he did was useless lurker hunting. That's SOOOOOO easy of a strategy for scum to take, but he has avoided actually doing any scumhunting the whole game while pretending to. RBT just never even pretended, but Fenix's faking it is an ironclad scumtell.

Ok, now you're being unfair and attributing a set of characteristics to me falsely while also ignoring the fact that RBT pushed a lynch on IS just for the hell of it. PLEASE read her ISO. She blindly and repeatedly said IS should die, and then acted like we were all stupid for not believing in IS scum. If you really want to talk about what's an easy strategy for scum to take, that's it. She made it look like she had made this case but kept under the radar the entire game. Conversely, I've been under fire the entire game. Staying under the radar is a clear scum strategy that's been used since the beginning of mafia, and it's much easier and

much

more effective scum strategy than screaming "PAY ATTENTION TO ME" for reactions that might expose scum.

[charter]

You should have said something before you spent all that time, no matter what I'm not changing my vote.

[Riceballtail]

I'm the only unconfirmed town, naturally RBT's going to push my lynch.

I'm the only unconfirmed town...

only unconfirmed town...

So everyone else is confirmed town.

LYNCH THIS SCUMBAG.

[4nxi3ty]

@rbt, if you want to convince me to vote Fenix, explain your reasons for voting L, Wasabi, and Internet Stranger.

[Fenix]

She has no reasons.

[Riceballtail]

anybody who says rbt is not town because of flavor needs to think about why a gunsmith would be in a game only to be useless because of said flavor.

Hey 4nx, remember this?

Why is this not true anymore?

[4nxi3ty]

@rbt, if you want to convince me to vote Fenix, explain your reasons for voting L, Wasabi, and Internet Stranger.

[charter]

Anxiety, why are you being this obtuse?

[Riceballtail]

anybody who says rbt is not town because of flavor needs to think about why a gunsmith would be in a game only to be useless because of said flavor.

Hey 4nx, remember this?

Why is this not true anymore?

I'm the only unconfirmed town, naturally RBT's going to push my lynch.

I'm the only unconfirmed town...

only unconfirmed town...

So everyone else is confirmed town.

LYNCH THIS SCUMBAG.

I'll answer your question, 4nx, when you can actually say that these things are suddenly no longer valid.

[Fenix]

So in other words, instead of helping us make a decision for a lynch, you're trying to strategically secure a
"confirmed" town position that you do not have.

Anxiety, why are you being this obtuse?

You have

absolutely

no room to talk.

there is about zero chance I will vote RBT.

So is there any reason you're voting RBT, or have you just stopped pretending?

So Anxiety is confirmed town, which means Fenix or RBT, and that's a pretty easy decision. I'll go back and try and

embellish

my case on Fenix some more.

I know RBT looks like scum, but I'm telling you, she does this

every

game.

I'm not voting RBT, period.

No way I will vote RBT

Any vote other than one for Fenix is a vote for no lynch.

I am voting Fenix no matter what, whether you die or not.

Well, looks like we're going to have a tie unless you grow a pair and vote Fenix.

[Riceballtail]

But Fenix, YOU are the one who just said I was confirmed town.

I'm also pointing out that 4nx has said the same.

[charter]

I love how Fenix spends his time arguing with me instead of proving RBT is scum or he is town. It's like he's obligated to post every couple of days, so he makes more useless posts, but he isn't even trying to lynch scum today.

Anxiety, do you see how he's spending all his time arguing with me and not building a case on RBT?

[Fenix]

I love how Fenix spends his time arguing with me instead of proving RBT is scum or he is town.

Anxiety already knows RBT is scum, you're the only one who's left to argue with. But you ignore me.

It's like he's obligated to post every couple of days, so he makes more useless posts, but he isn't even trying to lynch scum today.

If you would vote RBT we'd have lynched scum a long time ago. Once again, the only one left to argue with is you. And that's only because you're being stubborn.

Anxiety, do you see how he's spending all his time arguing with me and not building a case on RBT?

There is already a huge case on RBT, you ignored every word of it.

But Fenix, YOU are the one who just said I was confirmed town.

I said you were scum.

I'm the only unconfirmed town...

So I'm the only unconfirmed town. Let's go over who is

confirmed

.

Anxiety. Charter.

Oh, look at that. You're not on the list. Let's go over the other players.

Fenix. RBT.

I said I am unconfirmed town. That leaves one role, scum, and one player, RBT.

[4nxi3ty]

anybody who says rbt is not town because of flavor needs to think about why a gunsmith would be in a game only to be useless because of said flavor.

Hey 4nx, remember this?

Why is this not true anymore?

I'm the only unconfirmed town, naturally RBT's going to push my lynch.

I'm the only unconfirmed town...

only unconfirmed town...

So everyone else is confirmed town.

LYNCH THIS SCUMBAG.

I'll answer your question, 4nx, when you can actually say that these things are suddenly no longer valid.

Since there are only Werewolves in this game and not Mafia, a gunsmith can not confirm people as townies. The gunsmith's purpose was to verify a vigilante claim. Thus, that agrument became invalid once Nanook flipped.

As to your second argument, you are either misrepresenting his post or you completely missed the point of that statement.

[Riceballtail]

No, the second argument is that he made a scumslip. You can say post 595 wasn't a major reworking of what he said, but you'd be wrong. It's 100% guilt-driven banter to try and convince you that he had other things in that post that were clearly not there.

As to the first one, we don't know for certain as to if the werewolves would or would not have guns. While it is safe to assume not, intentionally trying to draw the NK saying you're confirmed generally works well on newbscum.

[4nxi3ty]

@rbt, if you want to convince me to vote Fenix, explain your reasons for voting L, Wasabi, and Internet Stranger.

[Riceballtail]

If I survive another night, I'll know for sure who the scum is. Please note that at no point have I claimed VT.

How's that for reasoning?