NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Maxous]

Quick thoughts.
Sorg's 'werewolf slip' is referring to a different game (but it's ongoing so you did'nt hear it from me)
I'm fine with lynching theam.

revenus actually looked dodgy with how he reacted to the wagon, he was throwing on the AtE and such.
'You really think it'd be that easy to pull a wagon off on scum?'
'you think everyone is going to bus me'
'go ahead and hammer me, town deserves to lose if you're not going to go after scummy people.'
etc.

I would lean more scum than town presently

Not a lot else, you guys say little with so much =P

[sorgster]

2 different games I'm playing in actually maxous.
Beck, I don't plan to do a 600 post iso so please tell me why.

[ThAdmiral]

Really? O.o

Pretty sure I'm voting Rev. I remember, you even put it down when you made that joke about who is number 3, 4 and 5 on the wagon.

Oh yeah. Nvm then, was basing it off the last official vc.

I don't see anything about you saying rev is town here thAd

I totally agree that it would be nice if Beck would shut the fuck up, but he's not scum.

You don't think Revenus was displaying any types of emotions?

I think the emotion he's displaying is rubbing his hands with glee as he watches the lunatic distracting everybody's attention by shitting himself all over the thread. If that counts as an emotion.

Take out the first and last sentence and I could maybe see that post coming from frustrated town, but as is, no.

I see where you are coming from but a lot of his other posts scream frustrated town to me. I honestly don't see scum playing it up to that extent. Your thoughts?

Look again.

[Revenus]

You have a good point on sorgster.


I am still really suspicious of anyone who is metaing flavor for the two kills. I agree with theadmiral that it is likely that a scum member would infer two scum teams based on a. If the size of their scum team is small, and b. two kills.

My perspective from the open of day 2 was that perhaps scum had an extra shot, or maybe there is an SK.


Still would like a Vel lynch, but if that's not happening, I'll go for a sorgster or Pine lynch.

I think vijay is nubtown.


Still don't know about the two scum teams though; we'll have to see from the flips.

[sorgster]

You have a good point on sorgster.


I am still really suspicious of anyone who is metaing flavor for the two kills. I agree with theadmiral that it is likely that a scum member would infer two scum teams based on a. If the size of their scum team is small, and b. two kills.

My perspective from the open of day 2 was that perhaps scum had an extra shot, or maybe there is an SK.


Still would like a Vel lynch, but if that's not happening, I'll go for a sorgster or Pine lynch.

I think vijay is nubtown.


Still don't know about the two scum teams though; we'll have to see from the flips.

I am not metaing flavour for two scumteams

. I said if you flip werewolf that

confirms

there are two scum teams. If you flip mafia there isn't a confirmation. I have never played in a game with just werewolves

[popsofctown]

^clearly isn't reading the thread^

[sorgster]

If revenus is a werewolf that would confirm that there are two scum teams. If he is mafia, at least we lynched scum

This...seems tantamount to a scumclaim. Sorgster has officially killed his Towncred with me. Even if it isn't a scumslip, it's bad, bad, terribad logic.

According to the flavour, there are two scumteams, named "Mean Guys Mafia" and "Rolling Heights Gang".

sorgster's post here is pretty obviously an indicator of town ignorance, not any kind of scumclaim, what are you talking about. Come on.

Let's not lynch sorgster.

I think you're reconstructing it quite wrong.

townSorgster a) shouldn't care all that much how many scumteams there are and should just lynch scum

, b) would use the opening post or even reading the flipping thread to see what his other townies had to say to deduce how many scumteams there are if he's curious. (Pine quoted the relevant chunk of the OP right off the bat at the start of D2, about when sorg should have been curious.)

scumSorgster does care how many scumteams there are, and gets his information about it from the size of his scumteam and/or the comments of his (in all likelihood, lurky) partners. Who probably said, "yeah we're Mean Guys mafia there's probably another scumteam, who should we shoot", so sorgster thinks "oh let's hunt wolves", as opposed to the daytime source of info, which is Pine saying, "hey guys the OP has been

editted

to reflect that it is

almost definitely

a two scum game due to

flavor involving two human factions in a turf war

.

unvote, vote: sorgster

Even the N1 kill flavor involves two guns.

In the post right before my post pine mentioned two scumteams. I decided to state the simplest way of figuring that out.
Of course town should care if there are two scumteams are not. Assume this scenario:There are 2 major bandwagons on person X and Y. Y gets lynched and is scum. If there is one scumteam and his flip doesn't point to 2 scumteams, then person X(who is thought to be town due to this flip) may actually be scum.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:Why did you specifically say mean guys mafia? Could it be because you are of the rolling heights mafia?

[Pine]

Oooh! I love when scum on scum benefits me! That ties the case on pops I've been scribbling onto scrap paper up nicely. With a bow, even.

Rev, theam, Pops, Funky, Vijay, and Sorgster. It even comes out to the right number!

[Beck]

You are forgetting pine. Pine is scum100% so is SV

[theamatuer]

Oooh! I love when scum on scum benefits me! That ties the case on pops I've been scribbling onto scrap paper up nicely. With a bow, even.

Rev, theam, Pops, Funky, Vijay, and Sorgster. It even comes out to the right number!

And why do you think there are 6 people instead of say 8?
and if you want to continue down this path, please state who you think is with who.
pedit: yeah pine.

[Pine]

I just find 3 v 3 more likely. At 4 v 4, it starts to favor anti-Town a bit, and at 5 v 5 it's just straight up unfair. 2 v 2 is strongly Town-sided, so 3 v 3 is a pretty good number. Yeah, it tries to outguess the mod a bit, but I tend to do that.

I'm not ready start guessing whole teams. Let's get a few scumflips, confirm the existence of two teams, and then we can start setting up trios or quartets. All I'm willing to do at this point is pairing who may be buddies or who are definitely not buddies. Pops is probably not with Sorgster, for example.

[sorgster]

So why am I scum now again?

[sorgster]

EBWOP:I want pine to answer that question so please don't answer it if your name isn't pine.

[Pine]

Up until now, I'd been dismissing the reasonable cases being built on you by others because of my previous Townread. With the slip you made a page or two ago, you shattered that Townread. Starting from null, the cases made by others started making sense, and your reaction to suspicion has been downright horrendous. I'm not 100% yet, but this situation has definitely painted you in a bad light.

[sorgster]

It's actually really, really likely that it was a scum slip from sorgster, because he specifically suggested the possibility that Revenus is a werewolf and he's convinced there's two scum teams (even though two nks doesn't mean shit n1 with no scum flips) for some unknown reason and has been basing all his scum lists off this assumption.

Put two and two together, it's something he'd think as mafia who doesn't know what the other scum team is (he thinks it's "werewolves").

I don't understand the scumslip here.

Why would scum have any more reason to assume that two kills = two scumteams than town?

I think its because sorgster assumed the other guy (rev) was a werewolf. That would infer that sorgster saw himself as mafia, because IF he was town he would have questioned if rev was mafia, because mafia is the far more common form of scum. Well that's sort of what I gathered anyway, correct me if I'm wrong.

I assumed that he was mafia too. Read that post over again.

[Pine]

"If he flips Mafia" was obviously an afterthought. Your expectation that he would flip Wolf if anything was clear to me, and to many of the rest of us.

[sorgster]

"If he flips Mafia" was obviously an afterthought. Your expectation that he would flip Wolf if anything was clear to me, and to many of the rest of us.

Nope. I know what my thoughts and afterthoughts are. I was not expecting him to flip wolf. If I had, I would not have mentioned anything about him flipping scum. I was just stating what information we would get based on a wolf flip. A wolf flip would give more information than a mafia flip.

[Pine]

So...you don't expect him to flip scum, but you support a lynch on him based on the information we'd get from his flip. Got it.

[sorgster]

Wolves aren't the only type of scum

[Pine]

I think I'm done with this particular conversation.

[DarthYoshi]

Day Two, Vote Count Sistino (Italian, 'of the sixth'. Time to go have pizza and watch a boring style of soccer.)

Revenus (8): Pine, bvoigt, vijay2vasandani, Velzanath, sorgster, Shattered Viewpoint, funkybike1, iamausername
sorgster (3): ThAdmiral, popsofctown, Beck
funkybike1 (2): theamatuer, Maxous
vijay2vasandani (1): Sky
Velzanath (1): Revenus
theamatuer (1): ZeL1nk, Zdenek
Not voting (2): Lurconis, ScreamingHawk

WITH NINETEEN ALIVE, IT'S TEN TO LYNCH.
DEADLINE: NOVEMBER 25TH @ 11PM PACIFIC STANDARD TIME.

Prodding Velzanath.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

I'm all for killing lurkers, except me. funky is a viable lynch. I just wanted to know why he sprung up again.

This is a very scummy thing to say. Can we say "self-preservation"?

Goddam right you can call it self preservation. This is a complete fail at attempting to scumhunt. No shit I want to live. Anyone who's playing this game to win does. If I'm lynched as town does that help my team?

This is so scummy it isn't even funny.

[Pine]

Hmmm. Looking at that vote count, I'm starting to think we don't have the support for a Rev lynch today. Almost everyone that's off the Rev wagon has stated they don't believe in it, with the obvious exception of Beck, who inexplicably refuses to vote for someone he's repeatedly stated to be scum.

I'm willing to table the Rev lynch until tomorrow and settle for a lynch of theam, maybe sorgster. What do you all think about this?

[Sky]

I'm all for killing lurkers, except me. funky is a viable lynch. I just wanted to know why he sprung up again.

This is a very scummy thing to say. Can we say "self-preservation"?

Goddam right you can call it self preservation. This is a complete fail at attempting to scumhunt. No shit I want to live. Anyone who's playing this game to win does. If I'm lynched as town does that help my team?

This is so scummy it isn't even funny.

Wanna give me a real reason then? I've already wasted too much time arguing with such an anti town player such as yourself.

Why are we excluding the fact that there could be a vig? Hiraki was up on people's scumlists yesterday.