Nacho:
So, everyone is town except for me, and maybe Herod who is defending me, and maybe Andy but not really? And Kanye must be town just because Spy thought so? And you have no problem with the fact that he parked his vote on a third party/unknown (who has now flipped town) for pretty much all of D1, or of the fact that he made up some hogwash about wanting to lynch Gandalf but not believing that there were any scum on his wagon but were instead all on the sidelines plotting to accuse people on the wagon--and
yet when asked to provide reads of those people, had none, and still maintained that Gandalf was the best lynch
?
And his defensive statement in response to Ludi--the one where he (Kanye) said "
you can say i was trying to do it for town cred later on but its a bit early for that
," indicating he was already worried about having his motives questioned? That doesn't bother you at all? And how, after a full week and a half of gameplay, 27 pages, and 650 posts, the ONLY person he found worhty of lynching was someone who didn't even have a role yet, and the BEST he could do in the way of offering an opinion about where scum might be was wagon-WIFOM which didn't even include names? How does this strike you as being anything other than trying to look like a "pretty solid townie" when he was, in actuality, doing nothing at all?
The only time he offered reads at all was when I (or someone else, but I'm going with mine for brevity) gave him a list of people to discuss, and this is what he said:
Kanye wrote:ive already stated my position on feysal and spy (town and not scum.) andrius i am wary of but i would rather see gandalf lynched before him. i cannot read empking without association tells. im feeling town from moi. null on espeonage.
When I approached him from a different angle, and asked about Feysal's wagon, he didn't even respond. On D2, he first states he thinks Vitamin R is town, then when MoI pushes him about analyzing the wagon, he says he could "see him being scum based on the wagon" but doesn't see anything in his ISO that says scum...and then, not surprisingly, hops on the Vitamin R wagon. He did almost the exact same thing on D1, when he had no scum reads but suddenly found Pere a worthy lynch target. So, he skates by D1 having no reads except for Gandalf, then votes for town-Pere; does the same exact thing on D2, and on D3, makes a list or two of town vs. scum reads and votes smarg late in the day, and he's super town?
Herod:
Okay, I see your point about my logic with Nacho. The reason you're on my list, though, is because of the people who weren't actively voting me, you were the only one actively defending me, and I'm paranoid right now. I'm going to flip town, so I am looking at how people are reacting to me, and it makes sense to me that at least one scum is staying as far away from the mislynch as possible.
Also, back to this question: "What happens when Kanyek flips town?"
Then I was obviously wrong about him? I would then look very hard at those still alive who were happy to wagon him and then hop off his wagon, especially on both D1 and D2. I would look very hard at anyone who has expressed an interest in voting him but hasn't, or who has and then had a change of heart. Finally, I would look at whoever ardently defended him. Most likely there will be scum and town amongst each of those three lists, but it would be easier to group suspects that way and then work from there. It would be a start, anyway.
MoI (re: 2065)
1. Okay, so I had a different understanding of what AtE is, as I thought it was actually related to appealing to emotion, not logic; and I still think the question is a logical one. I'm not asking you for mercy based on feelings; I'm asking people to think based on logic. I am town; I know I'm town, and I'm fine with getting flipped right now because then everyone will know I'm town, but I want to put everything I'm thinking on the table before I do leave the game, and I'm bringing these things up apurpose to try to get people to think ahead.
2. As for your VCA comments, okay, but I still don't know what all the numbers mean. (I'm not a math person, or a stats person, at all.) What I do know is that in my case, you're getting a false positive. I am not ignoring your other people so much as I am responding to you about myself; they will have to speak for themselves.
3. About Kanye. I'm back to him today, but on D3, I spent most of the day trying to figure out the mess between you and Amrun. And I didn't just lock my suspicions on him the whole time. If anyone is even bothering to read the things I said on D1 or D2, I commented on Emp, Esp, S&M, Pere, and Feysal; I offered my two cents about Gandalf and Andrius and your interactions with the seraphs; I questioned people when I had questions and responded to everyone who wanted me to answer for something. I didn't get around to commenting on everyone, but I haven't had something worth saying about everyone, either.
Can you really go back and look at my questions and not see that I'm in earnest? I know I mentioned Kanye a lot and kept my vote on him, but I was also actively discussing the rest of the game, too, and I'm kind of frustrated that I'm being painted as having commented on
only
him for two days while ignoring everything else, because that isn't the truth at all. I also get that one of the two points in the case on me is that I had Esp/Marg on my list and never moved them to the top, but as I've said in other posts, I had a stronger read on Kanye, and my read on Esp was majorly linked to Kanye's flip. As for my comments about Esp only being "early," I questioned him up until the end of D1, which he ignored, and then on D2, brought up that I still wanted him to answer my questions, but was also still ignored. And, ultimately, I wasn't opposed to lynching Esp/Marg, but I preferred a Kanye lynch and therefore kept pushing it. The reason I was late on the Marg wagon was because I was waiting to hear from you about your ability and didn't want the day to end before we at least had some idea if you would still have to suicide or not.
4. I began D4 with Kanye for two reasons: A) I still think he's scum, and B) My reaction to his vote for me was "I bet you do want me gone." I don't always get a super-strong read on people; in fact, it's pretty rare, but I have one this time and he hasn't done anything to make me change my mind.
5. You clearly have MoS and me pegged as scum and ask Amrun to look at our interactions with Esp/Marg. Have you looked at mine and MoS's interactions?
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So my list is still KKB, Regfan, Andy, and Herod, and for the record, I've reconsidered the point I made about Nacho being town and think Herod has a decent point, and that combined with Nacho's pseudo-reads that find no one but me and Herod scummy is enough to put him back on my radar.