Mini320: Urban Legends Mafia is over!

VisMaior · Post Post #23 (isolation #0) » Wed May 03, 2006 7:02 pm

random vote Osloboditejl

I hope I got his name right.

PPE: dang, just 1 letter wrong!

VisMaior · Post Post #25 (isolation #1) » Thu May 04, 2006 2:14 am

Maybe he wants recognition himself...

VisMaior · Post Post #29 (isolation #2) » Thu May 04, 2006 5:09 am

Educated ones?

VisMaior · Post Post #31 (isolation #3) » Thu May 04, 2006 5:27 am

Oh, thats what you mean. I dont think you have to be a genius to come to that conclusion.

VisMaior · Post Post #33 (isolation #4) » Thu May 04, 2006 5:42 am

http://www.mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/FindingMafia

VisMaior · Post Post #51 (isolation #5) » Mon May 08, 2006 2:23 am

Hm. Farmer(pro-town)? What might that be?

Anyways, any guilty copresults?

VisMaior · Post Post #53 (isolation #6) » Mon May 08, 2006 2:46 am

eh? want to paint a target over someones head, broomhead?

VisMaior · Post Post #57 (isolation #7) » Mon May 08, 2006 5:57 am

Stickey, you are a disturbing entity.

VisMaior · Post Post #63 (isolation #8) » Mon May 08, 2006 9:31 am

This hunch business is getting out of hand :/

VisMaior · Post Post #67 (isolation #9) » Mon May 08, 2006 12:41 pm

why? the way i see it, the mafia already know whose protown and whose not. that information can only help the town.

Its called confirmed innocent. Bad thing if you are scum.

the way i see it, the more innocents we get the better. then we can just kill off the non-proven people and win the game

This is exactly why.

there will only be a slightly greater chance that they will kill the confirmed innocent

No, since the doc will protect the cop, they kill off the confirmed innocent. If they kill someone else, that would be worse for them, because we would increase the confirmed innocents number.

VisMaior · Post Post #68 (isolation #10) » Mon May 08, 2006 12:42 pm

You are no newbie, you should know that.

vote Broomhead

VisMaior · Post Post #85 (isolation #11) » Tue May 09, 2006 6:50 am

20 percent? Heck, I'll take those odds. If we assume that we have 2 more scum left, then with 10 people left and no other information then everybody has a 20% chance of being scum. Heck, if we remove the confirmed innocents (BrizzyBoi, help im a bug, Sentinel99), then my 20% chance looks great in comparison to the 2/7 (28.6%) random chance!

Fallacy much? Compare yourself with proven protown himabs extra info incriminating you and a random person-> you come out top.

VisMaior · Post Post #88 (isolation #12) » Tue May 09, 2006 7:59 am

So you are saying that because himab has incriminating evidece on you, you are less likely scum. Still dont see the fallacy?

The whole 20% business is not accurate, the fact is tha hiab has something(or at least he says he has) that could incriminate you, but he is not sure. You pick the numbers and try to prove your innocence, while the

numbers

actually dont mean that much at all.

VisMaior · Post Post #118 (isolation #13) » Wed May 10, 2006 6:01 pm

My only question is that if his role-claim is a cover, then why come up with something we can so easily test right now.

What was the test result again?

Why not give a cover story that would take a night action to verify?

I wonder if the logical thing to do might be to wait another night and see if he can confirm his ability tonight or not.

So now it does take a nightaction to verify, no?

VisMaior · Post Post #121 (isolation #14) » Wed May 10, 2006 7:57 pm

I can see this develop into a WIFOM easily. Nevertheless, one more night wont hurt. HIAB want to shed some light?

VisMaior · Post Post #125 (isolation #15) » Thu May 11, 2006 8:46 am

Uh? HIMAB just said he Rbd him. So he could not have sent the message.

VisMaior · Post Post #126 (isolation #16) » Thu May 11, 2006 8:47 am

EBWODP ok nevermind. I see now: RBd, no kill, rbd and possible another nokill.

vote audacesiuvat

VisMaior · Post Post #137 (isolation #17) » Thu May 11, 2006 8:58 pm

Hm, I dont know. Even if he has the role he says he has, he still could be scum.

VisMaior · Post Post #148 (isolation #18) » Sat May 13, 2006 9:04 pm

broomhead wrote:
DerHammer wrote:Im very confused right now. Does your PM have a guarantee from the Mod that your innocent or something like that? Or did Brizzyboi just have your word?
can we have a conformation from brizzyboi?

okay i'd like to bring back something thats been said on page 3. i would like some interpretation form someone who isn't the person in question.

VisMaior wrote:
why? the way i see it, the mafia already know whose protown and whose not. that information can only help the town.
Its called confirmed innocent. Bad thing if you are scum.

the way i see it, the more innocents we get the better. then we can just kill off the non-proven people and win the game
This is exactly why.

there will only be a slightly greater chance that they will kill the confirmed innocent
No, since the doc will protect the cop, they kill off the confirmed innocent. If they kill someone else, that would be worse for them, because we would increase the confirmed innocents number.
huh. those seem like all pro-town points of mine. i don't understand. my points=good. am i missing something? why did this desverre a vote from VisMajor?

the way i see it:

Vote:VisMajor
this stays unless something is cleared up.

P.S. does it seem that he was defending mafia? maybe i am just confused.

huh? Confirmed innocents are more likely to get killed at night. What is there to explain? Innocent resultas are generally (and should be) withheld until an innocent is about to be strung up, or the doc dies. Suggesting an instant reveal on innocents is not protown in any way. Where did I protect mafia again?

VisMaior · Post Post #151 (isolation #19) » Sun May 14, 2006 6:18 pm

NOno, lets assume a theroretical situation.

1. cop always reveals innocents. Mafia always kills the innocents the cop pikced. We have at any time at most 1 confirmed innocent.

2.cop does not reveal innocents, only if necessary (eg. an innocent is about to strung up, or the doc dies)
Mafia cant surely pick the same target who got innocent. We could end up with multiple confirmed innocents. In worst case we are at the same situation as 1. But that is very unlikely.

So multiple confirmed innocents > 1 confirmed innocent. Thus, requesting instantly revealing innocents is an antitown move.

VisMaior · Post Post #155 (isolation #20) » Mon May 15, 2006 1:49 am

according to #2 there are no benefits of withholding innocents.

Gah! What? Having more confirmed innocents is no benefit? What is the benefit of #1 then? Are you reading what I wrote at all?

this argument on innocents is going no where

backing out eh? Is the debate not going the way you wish it did? You look scummyer by the minute.

VisMaior · Post Post #156 (isolation #21) » Mon May 15, 2006 1:51 am

In fact,

unvote, vote Broomhead

. You are either very dense, or plainly scum.

VisMaior · Post Post #174 (isolation #22) » Mon May 15, 2006 8:23 pm

I think sentinel is solid. The "breadcrumbing" is actually quiet impressive. (What I dont get why had sentinel not breadcrumbed stickey? Ah well. )

FOS bluesoul

I feel he is wishy-washy in his voting pattern.

VisMaior · Post Post #184 (isolation #23) » Wed May 17, 2006 2:59 am

yea, now what.

in. I had come up with one when we got info on zillu, so I didn't get a chance to use it.

Eh? Id love to hear it, just so it does not go to waste.

VisMaior · Post Post #194 (isolation #24) » Fri May 19, 2006 2:43 am

I like my vote. Yosarian, Broomheads antitown-ideas dont look like scumtell to you?

VisMaior · Post Post #199 (isolation #25) » Sun May 21, 2006 8:19 pm

Because there is nothing to post about?

VisMaior · Post Post #201 (isolation #26) » Mon May 22, 2006 3:39 am

Yes, that is what we wait for.

VisMaior · Post Post #203 (isolation #27) » Mon May 22, 2006 5:58 am

If you agree with me that a deadline at this point is bad for the town, then everyone who wants to help the town win should be posting much and often to avoid a deadline. Anyone who is not, therefore, is suspicious

While I agree that the deadline is bad, actually, we wait for broomhead to claim. Wich I think he said he will, but failed to do yet.

VisMaior · Post Post #212 (isolation #28) » Mon May 22, 2006 8:40 pm

Spill some flavor please! John wayne, how does it fit with urban legends?

VisMaior · Post Post #214 (isolation #29) » Tue May 23, 2006 12:39 am

I think you fail to realize the concept of an urban legend.

VisMaior · Post Post #219 (isolation #30) » Tue May 23, 2006 2:05 am

I am, but cannot find it. Link?

VisMaior · Post Post #227 (isolation #31) » Tue May 23, 2006 10:15 pm

Everyone:is there anything i could say to make people give me a chance, i mean my roles is testable right? let me kill! i will even let the town choose who.

You could persuade us that your role is infact an urban legend. A link to snopes would be helpful. I dont think letting you kill someone is a good thing.

VisMaior · Post Post #233 (isolation #32) » Wed May 24, 2006 9:59 am

vote broomhead

Official revoting? WTF... Sloppy, sloppy....

VisMaior · Post Post #245 (isolation #33) » Wed May 31, 2006 8:37 pm

Hm, no doc?
Need a reread to cathc suspicion.

VisMaior · Post Post #247 (isolation #34) » Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:39 am

Hm. The question is: would scum be so blatant? I really need a reread, but have presciuous little time right now.

VisMaior · Post Post #251 (isolation #35) » Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:33 pm

Actually, I believe aud. I expected Brizboi to be alive today too, so if he is real, Briz was a logical choice, OTOH if he is scum Briz is highly illogical, as a protection would have been expeted.

VisMaior · Post Post #254 (isolation #36) » Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:34 am

But of course if aud is lying, he could have just planned to claim that he sent the note to whomever died last night.

But that would imply that he is a badguy different from the mafia. I only see 1 NK. He could be some sort of cult tough, but then why not just recruit someone who would have supported his claim?

VisMaior · Post Post #258 (isolation #37) » Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:04 pm

I was just saying that if (for some reason) he was scum who claimed to have an ability he didn't actually have, the logical thing to do would be to say "Oh, I tried to send the message to X last night, it's a shame he died."

What I meant was, if he did plan that, and he would have had control over the NK, he would have surely chosen someone who was expected to actually die. (eg not Briz)

Just imagine, that you are scum and claimed that weir thing. You have to chose: try to kill Brix, who is expected to be protected, thus your kill will probably fail, and your scheme gets exposed, or someone else who will probably succeed and your scheme gets not exposed? Its just illogical to try and kill Briz, were he in charge of the NK.

Also, Vis has a tendency to throw out some of the weirdest reasoning I've ever encountered

Er.. weird reasoning? For example?

VisMaior · Post Post #261 (isolation #38) » Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:33 pm

Weird logic? I just explained.

VisMaior · Post Post #263 (isolation #39) » Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:51 am

Where is the rest of the people? HIAB? oslo? der hammer?

VisMaior · Post Post #264 (isolation #40) » Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:29 am

You're going on the assumption that he's scum who also has control of a messaging ability.

Er, no. Let me explain.

Hypothetical situation 1
Lets say he is scum, who did claim that role (pretty stupid in itself tough, but for comparisons sake).Lets assume he has NO message sending ability. Everybody as acted the way they acted (EG he fell under suspicion). What can he do? He decides, he will claim to have sent the message to whomever died. IF he is also in control of the kill, who is he going to go after? Brizboy, who will most probably survive, (well he did not, but that could not have been known at night) , and foil his scheme in the morning, or some random other townie?

Hypotheticl situation 2
OTOH if he is who he claims to be, who is he going to send the message? Some random townie, who could get killed? Or Briz, who is most probably survive the night? (well, he did not, but that was unlikely back then)

Also, if he is scum AND has an ability to send messages, why claim to have sent for the one who died? Thatd be stupid play.

See my reasoning now?

VisMaior · Post Post #271 (isolation #41) » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:55 am

Im still around also.

VisMaior · Post Post #275 (isolation #42) » Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:32 pm

May I point you to here, where I explain why I think he is genuine? If you think he is BS, please explain the fault in my logic.

VisMaior · Post Post #278 (isolation #43) » Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:22 am

Vis: Its very, very easy to fake his way through the claim. He could send it to a scum buddy (which creates a WIFOM when they die), he could send to a kil target, or he could be scum with the ability. All of those are fairly possible.

He could send it to a scum buddy

So why claim to sent to Briz?

he could send to a kil target

wich he did, but why Briz???

or he could be scum with the ability

if he is scum AND has the ability, why claim to have sent to a killtarget? Why not just send somewhere else?

VisMaior · Post Post #285 (isolation #44) » Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:05 pm

Vis: Stall tactics. If we don't lynch him for long its easier for us to lose.

Err, what? Maybe Im dense, but You dont make any sense to me. Have you read the post I linked you to troughly?

VisMaior · Post Post #290 (isolation #45) » Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:56 pm

OK, so now what.

about bluesoul: I can think of a 3. scenario. How about he has something else as a role, and other things have led to Brizs death? That is possible too. Just thinking loud here.

VisMaior · Post Post #292 (isolation #46) » Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:04 am

Ok this is DRAGGING. With capital letters.

vote bkuesoul

I think we might have scum here, its better than anybody other. If he really is doc, he will calim it anyways.

VisMaior · Post Post #297 (isolation #47) » Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:52 am

Soooo....

VisMaior · Post Post #298 (isolation #48) » Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:53 am

Oh comeon people, just do

something

already! This game has as much as stopped! We desparately need some deadline, or a random bandwagon or something.

VisMaior · Post Post #299 (isolation #49) » Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:56 am

unvote

even. Bluesoul could be doc so people hesitate to vote him, fine. lets just do something else. A PBPA perhaps? *sigh* I wish I had the time. Im going back to see whom ziliu interacted with.

VisMaior · Post Post #300 (isolation #50) » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:00 am

ziliu wrote:
vote: help im a bug
, for being a bug.

hahaha, his only post

vote armlx replacing himab

I was suspicious of him anyways, for him not getting my reasonong about audicawatsisface.

VisMaior · Post Post #305 (isolation #51) » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:25 am

Oh right.

unvote

Der hammer you say?

vote Der hammer

VisMaior · Post Post #312 (isolation #52) » Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:19 pm

Oh god, this will NEVER move. I find armlx strange again. Where did his suspicion on audicaswhattaname go? Or did he understood my reasoning finally? I believe he is just pushing wagons with little to no reasoning.

Der Hammer, If you think it will move the game forward, please claim.

VisMaior · Post Post #315 (isolation #53) » Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:18 am

Oh goody,

unvote, vote bluesoul

At last, The day ends!

VisMaior · Post Post #317 (isolation #54) » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:01 am

True, he could be doc. He should have claimed. Im really sick of this day. No discussion whatsoever. If he is doc, sorry. But, and I will press this, I was not the only one voting him.

In retrospect I should have waited for him to claim. bluesoul, tell me you are not the doc! *crosses fingers*

VisMaior · Post Post #320 (isolation #55) » Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:16 pm

Hm. Should we try again?

VisMaior · Post Post #322 (isolation #56) » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:13 pm

True that.
So audaces, who have you sent yuor message today?

VisMaior · Post Post #330 (isolation #57) » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:10 am

Didnt Scalebane claimed something?

VisMaior · Post Post #332 (isolation #58) » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:31 am

That narrows it down quiet a bit.

vote Yosarian

VisMaior · Post Post #338 (isolation #59) » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:34 am

Not necessarily. He claimed before it was known that auds choice was randomized.

VisMaior · Post Post #345 (isolation #60) » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:25 pm

Im around.

VisMaior · Post Post #348 (isolation #61) » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:47 pm

I dont think DerHammer is more scummy than Yos. After al he did confirm audecess.

VisMaior · Post Post #350 (isolation #62) » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:15 am

he has a point there.

VisMaior · Post Post #356 (isolation #63) » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:20 am

He has fallen off the face of the earth I think.

VisMaior · Post Post #391 (isolation #64) » Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:19 am

Hm.

unvote

VisMaior · Post Post #398 (isolation #65) » Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:31 am

It depends wether the randomization would have affected the doublevote or only who is voteless. Both could be the case.

VisMaior · Post Post #400 (isolation #66) » Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:25 am

Hm. I have seen it both ways. Once I had the nioghtchoice to restrict myself, and when the randomizer struck, someone else got the restriction.

VisMaior · Post Post #405 (isolation #67) » Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:20 pm

O RLY? a one shot cop ability out of thin air? I highly doubt that.

VisMaior · Post Post #413 (isolation #68) » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:11 pm

4) you are full of it.

Seriously, this whole copinvestigation schtick stinks.

VisMaior · Post Post #414 (isolation #69) » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:13 pm

vote der hammer

just to see.

VisMaior · Post Post #415 (isolation #70) » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:17 pm

To clarify: I want to see if the red name in the votecount changes.

VisMaior · Post Post #417 (isolation #71) » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:22 pm

O wait

unvote

that votecount is from yesterday :smacks himself:

VisMaior · Post Post #425 (isolation #72) » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:05 am

Thanks. FYI, resoning is tech.

VisMaior · Post Post #432 (isolation #73) » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:37 pm

Exactly. Oneshot unlynchability is easily imaginable. The copinvestigation does stink to high heavens.

Also, please people give reasons for voting me, Thanks.

VisMaior · Post Post #438 (isolation #74) » Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:28 am

No. I can see why Yosarian discloses himself. But, im pretty sure he is the last cohort to bluesoul.

VisMaior · Post Post #442 (isolation #75) » Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:55 am

*kicks thread* Okay we really should move somwhere. A deadline I dont like.

VisMaior · Post Post #446 (isolation #76) » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:03 pm

Eh. Go scum

VisMaior · Post Post #447 (isolation #77) » Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:03 pm

Er, I mean go town!

VisMaior · Post Post #497 (isolation #78) » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:12 am

Bah! Nice work town!