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Oh, thats what you mean. I dont think you have to be a genius to come to that conclusion."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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"logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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Its called confirmed innocent. Bad thing if you are scum.why? the way i see it, the mafia already know whose protown and whose not. that information can only help the town.
This is exactly why.the way i see it, the more innocents we get the better. then we can just kill off the non-proven people and win the game
No, since the doc will protect the cop, they kill off the confirmed innocent. If they kill someone else, that would be worse for them, because we would increase the confirmed innocents number.there will only be a slightly greater chance that they will kill the confirmed innocent"logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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Fallacy much? Compare yourself with proven protown himabs extra info incriminating you and a random person-> you come out top.20 percent? Heck, I'll take those odds. If we assume that we have 2 more scum left, then with 10 people left and no other information then everybody has a 20% chance of being scum. Heck, if we remove the confirmed innocents (BrizzyBoi, help im a bug, Sentinel99), then my 20% chance looks great in comparison to the 2/7 (28.6%) random chance!"logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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So you are saying that because himab has incriminating evidece on you, you are less likely scum. Still dont see the fallacy?
The whole 20% business is not accurate, the fact is tha hiab has something(or at least he says he has) that could incriminate you, but he is not sure. You pick the numbers and try to prove your innocence, while thenumbersactually dont mean that much at all."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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What was the test result again?My only question is that if his role-claim is a cover, then why come up with something we can so easily test right now.
Why not give a cover story that would take a night action to verify?
So now it does take a nightaction to verify, no?I wonder if the logical thing to do might be to wait another night and see if he can confirm his ability tonight or not."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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I can see this develop into a WIFOM easily. Nevertheless, one more night wont hurt. HIAB want to shed some light?"logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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EBWODP ok nevermind. I see now: RBd, no kill, rbd and possible another nokill.vote audacesiuvat"logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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huh? Confirmed innocents are more likely to get killed at night. What is there to explain? Innocent resultas are generally (and should be) withheld until an innocent is about to be strung up, or the doc dies. Suggesting an instant reveal on innocents is not protown in any way. Where did I protect mafia again?broomhead wrote:
can we have a conformation from brizzyboi?DerHammer wrote:Im very confused right now. Does your PM have a guarantee from the Mod that your innocent or something like that? Or did Brizzyboi just have your word?
okay i'd like to bring back something thats been said on page 3. i would like some interpretation form someone who isn't the person in question.
huh. those seem like all pro-town points of mine. i don't understand. my points=good. am i missing something? why did this desverre a vote from VisMajor?VisMaior wrote:
Its called confirmed innocent. Bad thing if you are scum.why? the way i see it, the mafia already know whose protown and whose not. that information can only help the town.
This is exactly why.the way i see it, the more innocents we get the better. then we can just kill off the non-proven people and win the game
No, since the doc will protect the cop, they kill off the confirmed innocent. If they kill someone else, that would be worse for them, because we would increase the confirmed innocents number.there will only be a slightly greater chance that they will kill the confirmed innocent
the way i see it:
Vote:VisMajorthis stays unless something is cleared up.
P.S. does it seem that he was defending mafia? maybe i am just confused."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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NOno, lets assume a theroretical situation.
1. cop always reveals innocents. Mafia always kills the innocents the cop pikced. We have at any time at most 1 confirmed innocent.
2.cop does not reveal innocents, only if necessary (eg. an innocent is about to strung up, or the doc dies)
Mafia cant surely pick the same target who got innocent. We could end up with multiple confirmed innocents. In worst case we are at the same situation as 1. But that is very unlikely.
So multiple confirmed innocents > 1 confirmed innocent. Thus, requesting instantly revealing innocents is an antitown move."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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Gah! What? Having more confirmed innocents is no benefit? What is the benefit of #1 then? Are you reading what I wrote at all?according to #2 there are no benefits of withholding innocents.
backing out eh? Is the debate not going the way you wish it did? You look scummyer by the minute.this argument on innocents is going no where"logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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I think sentinel is solid. The "breadcrumbing" is actually quiet impressive. (What I dont get why had sentinel not breadcrumbed stickey? Ah well. )
FOS bluesoulI feel he is wishy-washy in his voting pattern."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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yea, now what.
Eh? Id love to hear it, just so it does not go to waste.in. I had come up with one when we got info on zillu, so I didn't get a chance to use it."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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While I agree that the deadline is bad, actually, we wait for broomhead to claim. Wich I think he said he will, but failed to do yet.If you agree with me that a deadline at this point is bad for the town, then everyone who wants to help the town win should be posting much and often to avoid a deadline. Anyone who is not, therefore, is suspicious"logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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You could persuade us that your role is infact an urban legend. A link to snopes would be helpful. I dont think letting you kill someone is a good thing.Everyone:is there anything i could say to make people give me a chance, i mean my roles is testable right? let me kill! i will even let the town choose who."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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Hm. The question is: would scum be so blatant? I really need a reread, but have presciuous little time right now."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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Actually, I believe aud. I expected Brizboi to be alive today too, so if he is real, Briz was a logical choice, OTOH if he is scum Briz is highly illogical, as a protection would have been expeted."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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But that would imply that he is a badguy different from the mafia. I only see 1 NK. He could be some sort of cult tough, but then why not just recruit someone who would have supported his claim?But of course if aud is lying, he could have just planned to claim that he sent the note to whomever died last night."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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What I meant was, if he did plan that, and he would have had control over the NK, he would have surely chosen someone who was expected to actually die. (eg not Briz)I was just saying that if (for some reason) he was scum who claimed to have an ability he didn't actually have, the logical thing to do would be to say "Oh, I tried to send the message to X last night, it's a shame he died."
Just imagine, that you are scum and claimed that weir thing. You have to chose: try to kill Brix, who is expected to be protected, thus your kill will probably fail, and your scheme gets exposed, or someone else who will probably succeed and your scheme gets not exposed? Its just illogical to try and kill Briz, were he in charge of the NK.
Er.. weird reasoning? For example?Also, Vis has a tendency to throw out some of the weirdest reasoning I've ever encountered"logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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Er, no. Let me explain.You're going on the assumption that he's scum who also has control of a messaging ability.
Hypothetical situation 1
Lets say he is scum, who did claim that role (pretty stupid in itself tough, but for comparisons sake).Lets assume he has NO message sending ability. Everybody as acted the way they acted (EG he fell under suspicion). What can he do? He decides, he will claim to have sent the message to whomever died. IF he is also in control of the kill, who is he going to go after? Brizboy, who will most probably survive, (well he did not, but that could not have been known at night) , and foil his scheme in the morning, or some random other townie?
Hypotheticl situation 2
OTOH if he is who he claims to be, who is he going to send the message? Some random townie, who could get killed? Or Briz, who is most probably survive the night? (well, he did not, but that was unlikely back then)
Also, if he is scum AND has an ability to send messages, why claim to have sent for the one who died? Thatd be stupid play.
See my reasoning now?"logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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May I point you to here, where I explain why I think he is genuine? If you think he is BS, please explain the fault in my logic."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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Vis: Its very, very easy to fake his way through the claim. He could send it to a scum buddy (which creates a WIFOM when they die), he could send to a kil target, or he could be scum with the ability. All of those are fairly possible.
So why claim to sent to Briz?He could send it to a scum buddy
wich he did, but why Briz???he could send to a kil target
if he is scum AND has the ability, why claim to have sent to a killtarget? Why not just send somewhere else?or he could be scum with the ability"logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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Err, what? Maybe Im dense, but You dont make any sense to me. Have you read the post I linked you to troughly?Vis: Stall tactics. If we don't lynch him for long its easier for us to lose."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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OK, so now what.
about bluesoul: I can think of a 3. scenario. How about he has something else as a role, and other things have led to Brizs death? That is possible too. Just thinking loud here."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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Ok this is DRAGGING. With capital letters.
vote bkuesoulI think we might have scum here, its better than anybody other. If he really is doc, he will calim it anyways."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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Oh comeon people, just dosomethingalready! This game has as much as stopped! We desparately need some deadline, or a random bandwagon or something."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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unvoteeven. Bluesoul could be doc so people hesitate to vote him, fine. lets just do something else. A PBPA perhaps? *sigh* I wish I had the time. Im going back to see whom ziliu interacted with."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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hahaha, his only postziliu wrote:vote: help im a bug, for being a bug.
vote armlx replacing himabI was suspicious of him anyways, for him not getting my reasonong about audicawatsisface."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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Oh god, this will NEVER move. I find armlx strange again. Where did his suspicion on audicaswhattaname go? Or did he understood my reasoning finally? I believe he is just pushing wagons with little to no reasoning.
Der Hammer, If you think it will move the game forward, please claim."logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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True, he could be doc. He should have claimed. Im really sick of this day. No discussion whatsoever. If he is doc, sorry. But, and I will press this, I was not the only one voting him.
In retrospect I should have waited for him to claim. bluesoul, tell me you are not the doc! *crosses fingers*"logic is in the eye of the beholder" -LyingBrian in Eyewitness 1
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