Thesp wrote: ALSO I DO NOT LIKE YOSARIAN HE SHOULD NOT MAKE IT TO THE END.
Yosarian2 wrote:Yeah...I had kind of a bad feeling about Tidus's last post, as well. Most of it was just kind a wierd summery of the whole game, but this part was especally odd:
tidus_of_zanarkand wrote:
LoudMouthLee stated a new bandwagon to pressure MastermindofSin. Many people jump on rapidly. MastermindofSin contributes nothing to the conversation other than saying he was acting scummy to raise conversation.
My scum List: MastermindofSin, LoudMouthLee, HezLucky
Right now I think MastermindofSin isn't saying anything because he knows he's been caught and is trying to wait the town out. The alternative is he is town and isn't contributing in any useful way and got called on it.
I'll stay voting MastermindofSin for right now until someone convinces me otherwise.
The comment about "MOS knows he's been caught and is trying to wait the town out" is rather odd, but the thing that bugs me the most is the "scum list".
Tidus, why are you saying that you think MOS is scum, AND you think LML is scum for starting a bandwagon on MOS? And why did you put "HezLucky" on your "scum list" without giving any kind of reason at all?
This is aggressive questioning? That's mischaracterization. Your vote for Tidus came after his self-destruction, if memory serves correct.Yosarian2 wrote:Tidus: I asked you why you were suspicious of LML and espeally of HezLucky. You still have not answered my question.
Yes, this was made at a crucial time, with no explanation, no less, which is a point in your favor. The unnerving part, however, is what you say very soon after, in your discussion with RandomActs...Yosarian2 wrote:unvote:Pooky
vote:dripping Goofball
This looks like you're trying to set up yourself to look very, very good, knowing full well all you have to do is be the last one alive to win. Throwing your partner under the bus wouldn't be beneath you. This is particularly noteworthy, givn the fact that the rest of the game while significant conversation has gone on, you've really said very little about the game state, and preferred to hunt lurkers when important things are happening, notably when badguys are being run up. In fact, you defended Dripping early D1 in a wishy-washy manner. In any case, I don't think you're the best lynch today, but I don't think you should be allowed near the endgame.Yosarian2 wrote:(shrug) Reasons are easy for scum to invent if necessary. If I wanted to, I could invent a plausable sounding reason to vote for almost anyone. When it comes down to it, the best scum tell, IMHO, is "who voted for who, and when?" The timing can be key; when would you think a scum would jump on a scum bandwagon? When would a scum try to save his scum-buddy, and when would he stab them in the back? The answer, very often, is based on exactally when the vote happened, what the game-state was, and how likely it appeared at that moment in time that the vote would have an effect on the eventual outcome of the bandwagon.
You've been scummy for most of the game, then tipped the scales by tying yourself to known scum. You're definitely the best lynch for the day. Good thing I'm here to show everyone, since it looks like they obviously missed it.neongrey wrote:Out of curiosity, what in particular have I done?
It's not true.Thesp wrote: I'm less sold on TheCessPit only because he voted for Dripping at a pretty crucial point.
Actually, I voted AND unvoted at crucial points.Dead Rikimaru wrote:It's not true.Thesp wrote: I'm less sold on TheCessPit only because he voted for Dripping at a pretty crucial point.
Actually heunvotedat a crucial point. He just cast his vote on DGB and them unvoted close to the end.
Yosarian on the other hand only could be scum together with DGB if LML is scum too, because all he needed to save DGB was unvote, that way LML would have been lynched instead.
Thus far you haven't shown anyone anything, just asserted that the case exists without making it. And, in fact, I read back over everything that neongrey has posted and can't find anything like what you're saying, so you're going to have to expand on it a little before I'm going to show any more interest in it than that.Thesp wrote:You've been scummy for most of the game, then tipped the scales by tying yourself to known scum. You're definitely the best lynch for the day. Good thing I'm here to show everyone, since it looks like they obviously missed it.neongrey wrote:Out of curiosity, what in particular have I done?
How and who? I'm still not really following.Thesp wrote:You've been scummy for most of the game, then tipped the scales by tying yourself to known scum. You're definitely the best lynch for the day. Good thing I'm here to show everyone, since it looks like they obviously missed it.
First of all, the bandwagon I started on TSAGod day 2 was not a "lurker hunt". I had very good reasons for being suspicious of TSAGod, above and beyond his lurking; his defense of Fritzer made no sense and seemed rather suspicious to me. He (and therefore, you, his replacement) is still high on my list of suspects.Thesp wrote: Yes, this was made at a crucial time, with no explanation, no less, which is a point in your favor. The unnerving part, however, is what you say very soon after, in your discussion with RandomActs...This looks like you're trying to set up yourself to look very, very good, knowing full well all you have to do is be the last one alive to win. Throwing your partner under the bus wouldn't be beneath you. This is particularly noteworthy, givn the fact that the rest of the game while significant conversation has gone on, you've really said very little about the game state, and preferred to hunt lurkers when important things are happening, notably when badguys are being run up.Yosarian2 wrote:(shrug) Reasons are easy for scum to invent if necessary. If I wanted to, I could invent a plausable sounding reason to vote for almost anyone. When it comes down to it, the best scum tell, IMHO, is "who voted for who, and when?" The timing can be key; when would you think a scum would jump on a scum bandwagon? When would a scum try to save his scum-buddy, and when would he stab them in the back? The answer, very often, is based on exactally when the vote happened, what the game-state was, and how likely it appeared at that moment in time that the vote would have an effect on the eventual outcome of the bandwagon.
I don't like guessing at player intent, but I'm assuming this wasn't an intent to unvote.Dead Rikimaru wrote:Actually heunvotedat a crucial point.
This is what really triggered my scumdar, especially since I've recently seen the same sort of comment used by a number of other scum. She's offhandedly dismissive of someone whom is now known to be scum. It serves to downplay DrippingGoofball's scummy play (and perchance dismiss the bandwagon), while not outright defending. Couple this with the fact that she has made little significant contribution towards finding the scum (certainly leaving diddly-squat of an early voting record), with only real pressure going towards MoS while he was in lurker phase. (Certainly helpfulneongrey wrote:Goofball seems to be raving a little much to me, but I'm not sure how much that actually means.
If you are town you had a reason.TheCesspit wrote: Actually, I voted AND unvoted at crucial points.
I've already explained my reaons for the unvote.
Don't you think thats a rather WIFOM argument?Dead Rikimaru wrote:If you are town you had a reason.TheCesspit wrote: Actually, I voted AND unvoted at crucial points.
I've already explained my reaons for the unvote.
If you are scum you had an excuse.
Fritzler's trying so hard to lynch DGB (he even asked Pooky to vote her, wonder if Pooky would have voted if he didn't) was a great reason (or excuse) to change votes.
Since DGB was Mafia and Fritzler going after Fritzler after that make your unvote of Day 2 look much more like an excuse than a reason.
The point of accusing Fritzler of trying to decieve the town by a "fake vote count" fades when the fact that DGB was scum is taken into consideration.
I would let the mod take care of other players behavior if he considers it abusive. Players should be trying to find scum.