Mafia 48: Himalayan Mafia - Game over!

[Yosarian2]

Fritzler and me, you mean.

Anyway, I need to finish reading the thread and we need to ask ourselves why Fuldu got killed. I mean, he wasn't voting for Mr. Flay.

No, I meant what I said; part of the reason I came to the conclusion Flay was scum was that he was attacking Fritzer and Broomhead for reasons that made no sense to me, and then he backed off when attacked. I don't think either one of them is scum.

[Yosarian2]

Um...except you are broomhead. I knew that.

[Yosarian2]

I'll try to do another vote count comparison later. But we can all agree that Flay was the most likely recruit? Or would it have shown up as "recruit" when we lynched him, thus the real recruit is the one left?

Either way, i'll

vote: Creampuffeater

for now. This may change after the vote count analysis.

Yeah, Flay was a probable recruit. He may or may not have been the recruit, but I think that us looking for the recruit at this point would probably be counter-productive.

[lordy]

Weez. Finally finished a read of the entire game. So now, I'm here and ready to lynch some fellow asians =D.

With a re-read, I have came up with a suspect list. Mostly due to other player's analysises and my gut feeling.

In order of highest suspected person first:
1.Lees. I get vibes from his voting pattern in the early days, but lately, cant get any vibes from him with flay due to lying low.
2.Creampuff. Mostly for reasons mentioned before by others.
3. Fritz. I dunno, normally he would be helping us to catch scum, but this time it's different.
(Followed by Twomz, I'll reanalys him after today.)

[Fritzler]

In order of highest suspected person first:
1.Lees. I get vibes from his voting pattern in the early days, but lately, cant get any vibes from him with flay due to lying low.
2.Creampuff. Mostly for reasons mentioned before by others.
3. Fritz. I dunno, normally he would be helping us to catch scum, but this time it's different.
(Followed by Twomz, I'll reanalys him after today.)

what?

didn't i cal dgb and flay scum?

i like the lordy play

[lordy]

i like the lordy play

Overeacting are we?

I said the scum is likely to be one of these four. You are ranked 3rd because my notes says so.

Since we are all townies here , and there are 8 townies vs one scum,we have no choice but to put pressure on players and see how they respond. You, however, have responded a bit too strongly. let me just say that the town people know who they are, and a weak attempt at shifting blame to me justs makes you seem more suspisioius. However, I would liek to see what others say before voting, because I myself can frankly admit that I'm not very familar with your playstyle.

[Yosarian2]

3. Fritz. I dunno, normally he would be helping us to catch scum, but this time it's different.

i like the lordy play

Overeacting are we?

I said the scum is likely to be one of these four. You are ranked 3rd because my notes says so.

Um...your notes say that Fritz didn't "help catch scum" this game? That seems to me to be pretty clearly not at all true. Care to explain what you mean?

[Fritzler]

i like the lordy play

Overeacting are we?

I said the scum is likely to be one of these four. You are ranked 3rd because my notes says so.

Since we are all townies here , and there are 8 townies vs one scum,we have no choice but to put pressure on players and see how they respond. You, however, have responded a bit too strongly. let me just say that the town people know who they are, and a weak attempt at shifting blame to me justs makes you seem more suspisioius. However, I would liek to see what others say before voting, because I myself can frankly admit that I'm not very familar with your playstyle.

SCUM

SHES A WITCH
A WITCH

[MrBuddyLee]

The most notable things about Flay were that he went after his scumpartners early but wasn't willing to sacrifice them for his benefit, and that he stayed off the three lynches of townies, letting the town do the dirty work.

Vote: Dripping Goofball

for a weird kickoff. What makes HezLucky so special that he'd be your automatic first-draft pick for scum recruitment?

Unvote: DG

for right now because this wagon is going WAY too fast

(to tidus) Ehh? You find Cesspit' to be "playing it safe" and then unvote him? Where's the logic in that?

A tidus wagon develops like a steamroller. While there's plenty of reason for it, it seems similarly suspicious to the one that landed on DG earlier in the Day.

Vote: tidus of quittingland

The only other person he went after early was MOS, for lurking.

He went after his scumpartners hard until their wagons grew, then he softened on them. The conclusion that I'd draw from his early behavior, if any, is that

1) the last scum was lying low at the time but not so low as to get called out by Flay for lurking, or

2) the last scum was playing well and hadn't said anything Flay could use as distancing material.

The next player he went after was Fritzler, and stayed on him throughout the game. Reasons he gave for voting Fritz D2, D3, D4, D5:

* Fritzler, on the other hand, ignored the bandwagon on tidus, and had some strange behaviors on D1 (I already mentioned that he's shown full awareness of the recruitment scheme AND said he has people in mind he might have recruited).
* Fritzler is less than helpful as town, and dangerous as scum, because he's so random/hard-to-read
* What's with the "gotta be on a bandwagon" crap
* Fritzler, on the other hand, is acting more 'normal' than usual, which is unusual for him
* DG's question to Fritz about a recruit.
* he's scummy for having a behavioral change
* It's sleazy. You gave yourself a bit of authority there, by making a vote count without even saying it was unofficial
* Fritzler: a strong "recruited scum" candidate.
* Fritz has been squirrely all game
* Everyone on that (RA) bandwagon ought to be ashamed, but Fritzler looks like he's angling for a repeat.
* There's enough of a feel of "distancing" between her(DGB) and Fritzler
* Fritz comes out and says he thinks DGB is scum, sans investigation or any real reason at all, but then backs off and stays off the tidus lynch
* I don't think Fritzler is above exploiting weakness in his teammates
* Interaction between him and DGB on Day One.
* Fritzler coming on as more 'serious' and his playstyle being different than it usually is
* His certainty with his suspicions.
* I just find him scummy/irritating in general.

It's an unbelievable amount of hammering, as compared to the kid gloves treatment of DGB, tidus, Pooky, creampuffeater and broomhead/CES, his other suspicions over the course of the day. I'd be surprised if Fritzler's scum, seeing as how Flay left himself room to back off each of his other scumpartners. If a wagon ever developed on Fritzler, I think Flay was committed to it.

[Twomz]

Time for another happy funtime vote count review

Current Living/Dead arrangement


Alive (9):

Cogito Ergo Sum (Replacing broomhead)
creampuffeater
Dead Rikimaru
Fritzler
lordy (Replacing JamesSparrow (Replacing Hallisy))
MrBuddyLee (Replacing LoudMouthLee)
Lloyd (Replacing Thoth)
Twomz
Yosarian2

Dead (12):

tidus_of_zanarkand (Mafia) - lynched Day 1

HezLucky (Townie) - killed Night 1

DrippingGoofball (Mafia) - lynched Day 2

kirbyphreak (Replacing logicticus) (Townie) - killed Night 2

RandomActs (Townie) - lynched Day 3

Mastermind Of Sin (Townie) - killed Night 3

neongrey (Townie) - lynched Day 4

PookyTheMagicalBear (Replacing Mini Neo) (Townie) - killed Night 4

TheCesspit (Townie) - lynched Day 5

Thesp (Replacing TSAGod) (Townie) - killed Night 5

Mr. Flay (Mafia) - lynched Day 6

Fuldu (Townie) - killed Night 6

End of Day vote counts (yes, i copied some of this from my earlier post...)



Day 1, Tidus:

He gave up, so we can't get that much of a read off the list.

I went back and added the rest.


tidus_of_zanarkand- 11 (

HezLucky

,

Mastermind of Sin

, creampuffeater,

DrippingGoofball

,

kirbyphreak

, Twomz, LoudMouthLee,

tidus_of_zanarkand

, Yosarian2,

neongrey

,

Fuldu

) +

Mr.Flay

Mastermind Of Sin- 2 (Fritzler,

Mr. Flay

)
TheCesspit- 2 (

TSAGod

, Dead Rikimaru)
RandomActs- 1 (Thoth)
Fuldu- 1 (broomhead)

Not voting (3 4): JamesSparrow,

Mini Neo

,

RandomActs

,

TheCesspit

Day 2, DG: Here's the full count

DrippingGoofball- 6 (LoudMouthLee, Fritzler,

Mastermind of Sin

, Yosarian2,

PookyTheMagicalBear

, Twomz)
LoudMouthLee- 5 (Lloyd,

]TSAGod

,

Fuldu

,

DrippingGoofball

,

RandomActs

)
PookyTheMagicalBear- 3 (Dead Rikimaru,

kirbyphreak

,

Mr. Flay

)
Fritzler- 2 (

TheCesspit

,

neongrey

)

Not voting (3): broomhead, creampuffeater, JamesSparrow


Day 3, RA: again full count

RandomActs- 9 (

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

Fuldu

,

neongrey

, Yosarian2,

TheCesspit

, Twomz, Fritzler, LoudMouthLee, broomhead)
LoudMouthLee- 1 (Lloyd)
Twomz- 1 (

RandomActs

)

Not voting (8 ): creampuffeater, Dead Rikimaru, JamesSparrow,

Mastermind of Sin

,

Mr. Flay

,

TSAGod

Day 4, NG: Full count

neongrey- 8 (

Thesp

, Yosarian2, creampuffeater,

TheCesspit

, Twomz, LoudMouthLee, Fritzler, broomhead)
Mr. Flay- 2 (

PookyTheMagicalBear

,

Fuldu

)
Fritzler- 2 (

Mr. Flay

, JamesSparrow)
TheCesspit- 2 (Dead Rikimaru, broomhead)
LoudMouthLee- 1 (Lloyd)

Not voting (1): creampuffeater


Day 5 End of Day Vote Count:

TheCesspit- 7 (Yosarian2, Twomz, JamesSparrow, Dead Rikimaru, Fritzler, creampuffeater, Lloyd)
Creampuffeater- 2 (

Fuldu

, Thesp)
Fritzler- 1 (

TheCesspit

)
broomhead- 1 (

Mr. Flay

)

Not voting- Everyone else

7 to lynch.


Day 6
End of Day Vote Count:

Mr. Flay- 6 (Yosarian2, Fritzler, creampuffeater, Twomz, Dead Rikimaru, Cogito Ergo Sum)
Fritzler- 2 (Lloyd, JamesSparrow)
creampuffeater- 2 (

Fuldu

,

Mr. Flay

)
Cogito Ergo Sum- 1 (MrBuddyLee)

Not voting (0): No one




I'll do some analysis of it later, feel free to go ahead and hypothosize or w/e before then .

[Fritzler]

The most notable things about Flay were that he went after his scumpartners early but wasn't willing to sacrifice them for his benefit, and that he stayed off the three lynches of townies, letting the town do the dirty work.

Vote: Dripping Goofball

for a weird kickoff. What makes HezLucky so special that he'd be your automatic first-draft pick for scum recruitment?

Unvote: DG

for right now because this wagon is going WAY too fast

(to tidus) Ehh? You find Cesspit' to be "playing it safe" and then unvote him? Where's the logic in that?

A tidus wagon develops like a steamroller. While there's plenty of reason for it, it seems similarly suspicious to the one that landed on DG earlier in the Day.

Vote: tidus of quittingland

The only other person he went after early was MOS, for lurking.

He went after his scumpartners hard until their wagons grew, then he softened on them. The conclusion that I'd draw from his early behavior, if any, is that

1) the last scum was lying low at the time but not so low as to get called out by Flay for lurking, or

2) the last scum was playing well and hadn't said anything Flay could use as distancing material.

The next player he went after was Fritzler, and stayed on him throughout the game. Reasons he gave for voting Fritz D2, D3, D4, D5:

* Fritzler, on the other hand, ignored the bandwagon on tidus, and had some strange behaviors on D1 (I already mentioned that he's shown full awareness of the recruitment scheme AND said he has people in mind he might have recruited).
* Fritzler is less than helpful as town, and dangerous as scum, because he's so random/hard-to-read
* What's with the "gotta be on a bandwagon" crap
* Fritzler, on the other hand, is acting more 'normal' than usual, which is unusual for him
* DG's question to Fritz about a recruit.
* he's scummy for having a behavioral change
* It's sleazy. You gave yourself a bit of authority there, by making a vote count without even saying it was unofficial
* Fritzler: a strong "recruited scum" candidate.
* Fritz has been squirrely all game
* Everyone on that (RA) bandwagon ought to be ashamed, but Fritzler looks like he's angling for a repeat.
* There's enough of a feel of "distancing" between her(DGB) and Fritzler
* Fritz comes out and says he thinks DGB is scum, sans investigation or any real reason at all, but then backs off and stays off the tidus lynch
* I don't think Fritzler is above exploiting weakness in his teammates
* Interaction between him and DGB on Day One.
* Fritzler coming on as more 'serious' and his playstyle being different than it usually is
* His certainty with his suspicions.
* I just find him scummy/irritating in general.

It's an unbelievable amount of hammering, as compared to the kid gloves treatment of DGB, tidus, Pooky, creampuffeater and broomhead/CES, his other suspicions over the course of the day. I'd be surprised if Fritzler's scum, seeing as how Flay left himself room to back off each of his other scumpartners. If a wagon ever developed on Fritzler, I think Flay was committed to it.

oh this is why lordy left me alive

he knew idiots like MBL would attack me

[Fritzler]

also, if i would throw my teammates under the bus wtf wouldn't i help lynch tidus

think man, think

[lordy]

Sorry, Fritz, I got abit confused with my notes there. It'll do a reread when i get home today.

[MrBuddyLee]

I'd be surprised if Fritzler's scum, seeing as how Flay left himself room to back off each of his other scumpartners.

oh this is why lordy left me alive

he knew idiots like MBL would attack me

breaker one-nine I repeat, Fritzler

not

a primary suspect, over

[Norinel]

Vote Count:

Creampuffeater- 1 (Twomz)

Not voting: Everyone else

5 to lynch.

[Yosarian2]

oh this is why lordy left me alive

he knew idiots like MBL would attack me

Um, perhaps you misread the post. Looks to me like the entire point of that post was MBL defending you.

[Fritzler]

* There's enough of a feel of "distancing" between her(DGB) and Fritzler
* Fritz comes out and says he thinks DGB is scum, sans investigation or any real reason at all, but then backs off and stays off the tidus lynch
* I don't think Fritzler is above exploiting weakness in his teammates
* Interaction between him and DGB on Day One.
* Fritzler coming on as more 'serious' and his playstyle being different than it usually is
* His certainty with his suspicions.
* I just find him scummy/irritating in general.

It's an unbelievable amount of hammering, as compared to the kid gloves treatment of DGB, tidus, Pooky, creampuffeater and broomhead/CES, his other suspicions over the course of the day. I'd be surprised if Fritzler's scum, seeing as how Flay left himself room to back off each of his other scumpartners. If a wagon ever developed on Fritzler, I think Flay was committed to it.

sorry, i skimmed and just read this part and it looked like he was attacking me

[Yosarian2]

Hmmm...ok. Taking a look back at voting records, the people with the records that look most suspicious to me are Lordy, (Sparrow had a bad voting record, what little of it there was) and Lloyd. (Thoth only voted once, for random acts; Llyod voted for cesspit and fritzer but never for flay). It's also interesting to note that Fuldu voted flay a few times but not when he was lynched, and voted DGB day one but not when she was lynched.

[Dead Rikimaru]

To Lloyd: On Days One and Two you were very positive LML was Mafia along with DGB, and even tryed to convince everyone to lynch LML first because DGB was more prone to commit a mistake.
After that you gave LML/MBL up and went for Fritzler.
What do you have to say about MBL and Fritzler now?

[Norinel]

Activity check: prodding creampuffeater and Lloyd. Next check Sunday.

7 days to deadline, no vote changes.

[Lloyd]

To Lloyd: On Days One and Two you were very positive LML was Mafia along with DGB, and even tryed to convince everyone to lynch LML first because DGB was more prone to commit a mistake.
After that you gave LML/MBL up and went for Fritzler.
What do you have to say about MBL and Fritzler now?

I find MBL's post to potentially clear Fritzler to be odd. I'm more suspicious of MBL than Fritzler.

That being said, with 1 remaining scum in a vanilla game, interactions between players can either be scum with townie, or townie with townie.

At this point, I don't think how MBL / LML and Fritzler interacted establishes any relationship between them.

Of everyone remaining, I'm most suspicious of lordy at this point, mostly because of how his predecessor, JamesSparrow, played.

On day 1, JamesSparrow applied similar pressure to DGB as Flay did. DGB also tried to eliminate the possibility of JamesSparrow being a potential recruit. Other than that, JamesSparrow hasn't posted much analysis in this game.

As for lordy, I'd like to hear more from him. At the moment, I think he's the remaining scum.

Vote: lordy

[Fritzler]

Vote: lordy

:feral

[MrBuddyLee]

I find MBL's post to potentially clear Fritzler to be odd. I'm more suspicious of MBL than Fritzler.

Lloyd, Flay left us a rich history to work with. I gave my thoughts on what it meant, and I think everyone else should too. Would you mind sharing what you found odd about my analysis of Flay's play?

[creampuffeater]

fritz = scum? OMG

vote: Lordy

. Look... fritz, is fritz. He is not as crazy, but he is still catching scum so he is not doing anything wrong

[Fritzler]

fritz = scum? OMG

vote: Lordy

. Look... fritz, is fritz. He is not as crazy, but he is still catching scum so he is not doing anything wrong

FOS: CPE