Mini 380: Artifacts- Game over

[Jules]

Actually, no, that's not an ad hominem, kthnxbai. That's me telling you that me attacking Coron had absolutely nothing to do with you. You really aren't that important in terms of that debate. Yours was just a vote, which I didn't care about because, hey, it was vote 2 on me and we need 7 to lynch.

Fair enough

[Stewie]

Jules, do you have any artifacts? You did not mention that with your claim.

Not any more. I started with one which I used and passed on

Ok... what was it, when did you use it, who did you use it on (if applicable), and to who did you pass it on?

[Jules]

I didn't find Coron particularly, so I didn't vote for him

But you weren't trying to vote for someone suspicious, you were trying to get the game going. If you were trying to vote for someone suspicious, then we go back to the fact that there was no evidence against Nai, and it would be unfair to vote for someone without evidence, so your argument goes in circles.

When you look back, you will find that the Nai Coron debate did flow from my vote. Not solely my vote but that was one of the factors leading up to it. Before my vote, there was precious little. After my vote, Nai started saying stuff, as did others, which Coron latched on to

I looked back, and I didn't find anything which led me to believe that your argument sparked the Coron-Nai debate, even in part. If you want to convince me, you'll have to go back and quote some posts which make it clear that your vote was a factor leading up to the Coron-Nai debate.

Nai: six. Six votes to lynch. Point stands though.

I didn't find Coron particularly, so I didn't vote for him

But you weren't trying to vote for someone suspicious, you were trying to get the game going. If you were trying to vote for someone suspicious, then we go back to the fact that there was no evidence against Nai, and it would be unfair to vote for someone without evidence, so your argument goes in circles.

When you look back, you will find that the Nai Coron debate did flow from my vote. Not solely my vote but that was one of the factors leading up to it. Before my vote, there was precious little. After my vote, Nai started saying stuff, as did others, which Coron latched on to

I looked back, and I didn't find anything which led me to believe that your argument sparked the Coron-Nai debate, even in part. If you want to convince me, you'll have to go back and quote some posts which make it clear that your vote was a factor leading up to the Coron-Nai debate.

Nai: six. Six votes to lynch. Point stands though.

Yeah but there's no point in getting a game going by accusing someone who you don't think is particularly town IMO. Because then, as has happened in my case here, people interpret what you say as scummy when it isn't.

Nai says it didn't have any effect on the his debate with Coron so I will stand corrected. However post 115:

Um, it's perfectly reasonable imho. He says "I remember I was voting him, I probably had a good reason

FoS

" Then he comes back later does a reread to decide what the best lead is and

votes

It looks like you're trying to pull stuff out of your rear end.

and 116:

Actually, his exact wording was:

FOS Nai - I can't remember the reasons for voting you before and I think it would be unfair to vote without any evidence, but I know you looked suspicious

He says the he doesn't want to vote me without evidence. Then, without evidence, he procedes to vote me. Then he votes me, but only to put pressure on me. There is no more evidence that he gives, it's just a pressure vote.

Coron, it REALLY looks like you are trying to defend Jules right now.

seemed to me to be the start of the Coron Nai debate, as a result of my vote and the discussion that followed

[Jules]

I have never said that I remember them because I don't

If this is the case, why did you suddenly brake on the argument when you were challenged?

Also, one more thing, can you stop responding to posts in seperate posts? No offense or anything, but it's kind of annoying.

Which post are you referring to when you say I break on my argument?

[Jules]

Jules, do you have any artifacts? You did not mention that with your claim.

Not any more. I started with one which I used and passed on

Ok... what was it, when did you use it, who did you use it on (if applicable), and to who did you pass it on?

The Ear of the Diviner. I used it Night One and passed it on as it can only be used once by each person. It cannot answer directly however - so I never got a response from it - I assume it is in the first writeup although I haven't been able to work it out. Purely randomly at that stage, I asked if Stewie was scum and took a random guess by giving it to luna - now ShadowLurker, figuring that it was better to take a chance at that stage rather than waste the use of it for a night

[Nai]

Could you tell us what it does, instead of just a name? That would help a hell of a lot. And what do you mean it can't answer directly. I can't answer YOU directly? Or it can't answer direct questions?

As well, that wasn't the start of the debate. That was well into it, when I added on Coron's defending of you using a crappy excuse that didn't hold up.

[Jules]

I could ask it a yes/no question. It could not answer me directly. It is an ear. It can't speak. I assumed the answer either lies in the Night One writeup - if it is, I haven't managed to work it out yet, or another Artifact will give me the answer

[Coron]

I have never said that I remember them because I don't

If this is the case, why did you suddenly brake on the argument when you were challenged?

Also, one more thing, can you stop responding to posts in seperate posts? No offense or anything, but it's kind of annoying.

I understood exactly what he was saying when he said that.

Also, to discuss, should he tell us what he had and passed on? What can you think of that this would hurt? How about help?

[GreenLiquid]

I have never said that I remember them because I don't

If this is the case, why did you suddenly brake on the argument when you were challenged?

Also, one more thing, can you stop responding to posts in seperate posts? No offense or anything, but it's kind of annoying.

Which post are you referring to when you say I break on my argument?

In post 289 you say that you don't remember if you did or did not switch votes during the crash. The way it is worded seems weak and I don't like the response because it attempts to close the argument completely. The thing isn't whether or not you said you don't remember, it's whether or not I believe you in fact did forget.

Also, might be a bad idea to quote the artifact word for word, such an action could be considered modkill grounds by our mod...

[GreenLiquid]

I understood exactly what he was saying when he said that.

One other thing I forgot to adress is that I don't understand what you mean be 'he' or what 'he' said. Can you clarify?

[Nai]

That's odd... We have 11 people, we should have 7 to lynch. Regardless, when his vote came on, I was lynch -4, so I wasn't particularly concerned.

[GreenLiquid]

That's odd... We have 11 people, we should have 7 to lynch. Regardless, when his vote came on, I was lynch -4, so I wasn't particularly concerned.

It should be six. Half of 11 is 5.5, so 6 is correct number.

[Nai]

Huh. Why does my head tell me that most games I've played in have 7 as the majority at 11? My head hurts...

[CrashTextDummie]

Unvote

Have to think his claim over.

[ShadowLurker]

I can confirm luna receiving that artifact at the end of Night 1.

[Coron]

I understood exactly what he was saying when he said that.

One other thing I forgot to adress is that I don't understand what you mean be 'he' or what 'he' said. Can you clarify?

the quote that you seemingly misunderstood. To me right now it seems like you are pulling things out of your rear end now.

[GreenLiquid]

I understood exactly what he was saying when he said that.

One other thing I forgot to adress is that I don't understand what you mean be 'he' or what 'he' said. Can you clarify?

the quote that you seemingly misunderstood. To me right now it seems like you are pulling things out of your rear end now.

I'm not saying that he meant something else, because I understand fully what he meant, for the third time I'll say: I'm not sure I believe that he actually in fact forgot it.

[Coron]

Yes, which is why I used the past tense.

[HackerHuck]

What happened between these two posts? His claim came before the first one.

I see no reason not to lynch this guy.

Unvote

Have to think his claim over.

I find Stewie's request for additional information to be quite scummy.

Jules, do you have any artifacts? You did not mention that with your claim.

Not any more. I started with one which I used and passed on

Ok... what was it, when did you use it, who did you use it on (if applicable), and to who did you pass it on?

FOS: Stewie

[Stewie]

Care to explain how so?

If Jules is in fact telling the truth, then it wouldn't surprize me if someone had the ear of the diviner.

Coron, please say ass. It would mean a lot to me.

[Coron]

Ass.

[ShadowLurker]

I can confirm luna receiving that artifact at the end of Night 1.

Care to explain how so?

If Jules is in fact telling the truth, then it wouldn't surprize me if someone had the ear of the diviner.

Coron, please say ass. It would mean a lot to me.

[Kelly Chen]

What happened between these two posts? His claim came before the first one.

I see no reason not to lynch this guy.

Unvote

Have to think his claim over.

You need an answer to this question? He claimed an item between those two posts.

FOS: HackerHuck

Can ShadowLurker confirm what the item does? I have some difficulty imagining that scum would start out with an information object. They wouldn't have incentive to pass it around, I don't think.

[Stewie]

What happened between these two posts? His claim came before the first one.

I see no reason not to lynch this guy.

Unvote

Have to think his claim over.

You need an answer to this question? He claimed an item between those two posts.

FOS: HackerHuck

Can ShadowLurker confirm what the item does? I have some difficulty imagining that scum would start out with an information object. They wouldn't have incentive to pass it around, I don't think.

I used to think that the items were given out randomly regardless of role or alignment, but upon reading the rules I didn't find anything which said so, so now I'm confused. It could be that they are both scum, but I doubt that is the case (both jules and shadowlurker). I think I'll have to sleep on this one.

ShadowLurker, what's with the quoting without adding any information. It seems like you are trying to make some sort of a point, but I can't figure out what it is. (not the post before this one, but the one before the one before this one).

Thanks Coron.

[ShadowLurker]

I'm pointing out Jules is telling the truth about her artifact. And yes, that's what it does, although I was also confused about the artifact and I asked the mod and he said I won't be receiving anymore information. I have not received any information about having to pass it on though.

I never found Jules suspicious and couldn't really find anything incriminating in your case against him. All I found was a bit of overreacting but I don't really consider overreacting a scumtell.

Mod:

Were items assigned independently of alignment?