Mini 380: Artifacts- Game over

[ShadowLurker]

You mean the Ear? There's no mention of 'must be passed on' in the general rules.

Would you please address this SL

If the description starts with "You may" means each

player

may use that artifact once.

[Coron]

That doesn't mean he has to pass it.

[ShadowLurker]

The way part of my PM was phrased makes me think that you have to give it away.

Mod:

If an artifact starts with "you may" after you use it, do you have to pass it?

[Nai]

I'm going to take it literally and say that "You may" means "You may", as in "If you want to." I don't think there is a requirement to pass the thing on after use. However, I'll wait for the mod to talk first.

[CrashTextDummie]

I'm developing an urge to vote for HackerHuck. His post 377 didn't sound pro-town at all.

[Nightfall]

Was this not an answer to that?

The question is not only whether he would get the artifact if he were scum, it was whether he would pass it on. It sort of WIFOMs but, there is a definate tangible advantage to scum from having this not circulate.

The article MUST be passed on if used.

[Nightfall]

Sorry missed this page.

[Norinel]

Mod:

If an artifact starts with "you may" after you use it, do you have to pass it?

Using and passing an artifact is optional. Using a "you may" artifact without passing it is legal, but you won't be able to use it again. (Of course, individual artifact descriptions can override this)

Vote Count:

Jules- 3 (Stewie, Zindaras, GreenLiquid)
Nai- 2 (Coron, Jules)
Coron- 1 (Nai)
ShadowLurker- 1 (HackerHuck)
Zindaras- 1 (ShadowLurker)

Not voting (3): CrashTextDummie, Kelly Chen, Nightfall

6 to lynch

[Zindaras]

Hmm, I'm afraid I got a bit out of touch on this game.

Unvote

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The Ear of the Diviner...

It looks believable enough.

For me, I'm still thinking Kelly or ShadowLurker right now, as I'm still suspicious of them. I need to do another one of those rereads, though.

[Coron]

Can we get back to pressuring Nai?

[Stewie]

Who's "we"? You and Jules?

[Norinel]

As I just posted in V/LA, I'll be gone from Friday to the 26th. If there's a lynch, I should be able to get online to post results.

[Coron]

Who's "we"? You and Jules?

The town, a subset of which I believe to be Jules and Coron.

[Jules]

Do you believe Stewie is a subset of that?

[ShadowLurker]

I don't.

[HackerHuck]

I have also had some doubts about Stewie lately, but I'm still quite suspicious of ShadowLurker. His initial support for the "mouth" claiming was noted.

I don't think we're going to get anywhere with Coron/Nai and I'm not looking forward to rehashing that debate.

Coron - who else do you find scummy? You mentioned that you found "all three" before the first crash. Do you still believe that to be the case?

[Jules]

What about GreenLiquid?

[Coron]

as far as I recall I have not recently taken a look at any players other than jules(I'm about due a reread), though Nai hasn't done much to ease my worries about him. I of course know I'm scum and don't think Jules is scum and do think Nai is scum, beyond that you'll have to wait until at the very least after my finals tomorrow, I have lot's of studying and essay writing to do today.

[Jules]

I of course know I'm scum and don't think Jules is scum and do think Nai is scum

Ding ding ding

[ShadowLurker]

I have also had some doubts about Stewie lately, but I'm still quite suspicious of ShadowLurker. His initial support for the "mouth" claiming was noted.

May I ask how that's suspicious at all?

Also, you have not expressed ANY suspicion of me, but only of my predecessor and apparently, your reason for her was that she was lurking yet it was not lurking, but inactivity hence her replacement. In multiple posts you have reitereated you are still suspicious of me, yet you have not provided any reasons at all. This is a new reason from you and you have not explained how it's suspicious.

Unvote Vote HH

[Nai]

I think the slip Jules found is absolutely fantastic.

[Nightfall]

I dont think he even picked up that it was a slip, and the ding was likely for coron saying jules was town.

[HackerHuck]

I have also had some doubts about Stewie lately, but I'm still quite suspicious of ShadowLurker. His initial support for the "mouth" claiming was noted.

May I ask how that's suspicious at all?

Also, you have not expressed ANY suspicion of me, but only of my predecessor and apparently, your reason for her was that she was lurking yet it was not lurking, but inactivity hence her replacement. In multiple posts you have reitereated you are still suspicious of me, yet you have not provided any reasons at all. This is a new reason from you and you have not explained how it's suspicious.

Unvote Vote HH

You're confusing me with Zindaras. I wasn't voting Luna because she lurked. I'm sorry that you may have inherited a scum role, but you cannot get the slate wiped clean and undo Luna's actions.

It's going to take a while to gain my trust and making scummy proposals like you did will make it take even longer.

I find it very suspicious that anyone would specifically want the mouth to claim. Especially after you made sure to clarify that the artifact would be lost if the owner were killed that night.

[ShadowLurker]

Nai’s behaviour at the time of the crash was really concerning to me. He seemed to be grasping at straws and trying to force some weak evidence on Coron. The aggressive push against Coron on seemingly weak evidence does not seem like pro-town play. However, I’ve got a weird “gut” feeling that he’s not scum. Luna has shown some similar behaviour although she was not pushing to the extent that Nai was. Her reluctance to unvote even at lynch -1 makes me still happy with my vote.

I like how Jules is starting to play the Coron game a bit and stir the pot. I really don't like how Jules' vote was placed with no additional comment, so I agree with Stewie's vote.

That said, Luna's still scummier in my book and I'd put Nai almost to her level. Even though I don't like his playstyle here, I think the Coron wagon is a little too weak for the amount of pressure he's getting.

I'm still happy with my vote on Luna. I don't like how she hopped on that Coron wagon to push him to lynch -1 and kept her vote there. She hasn't posted too much and recently threw out a few FOSes before disappearing again.

Coron has been pinging my scumdar a bit, but I chalk it up to his annoying playstyle. I'm not going to say I think he's likely town, but I'm not sure he's scum either. There are a couple of things I don't like - his using playstyle as an excuse and his defence of Jules was a bit overboard in my opinion. Since he likes to harp on others for defending someone else

After a reread, Jules seems a little scummy to me. Bandwagon hopping is too extreme of a description for his actions, but I feel like he's been jumping on bandwagons once they get a few others piled on first.

In case you were just wondering why my vote was still on her, it's because I haven't felt anyone else to be scummier. See my post 188 for a brief rundown on how I feel about everyone.

I have also had some doubts about Stewie lately, but I'm still quite suspicious of ShadowLurker. His initial support for the "mouth" claiming was noted.

I urge everybody to read these posts.

In these posts, he expressed suspicion of:
Me
Coron
Nai
Jules
Stewie

Yet his vote has been on luna the whole game and now me. To me, this just looks like someone being wishy washy, fence sitting, and making excuses to move his vote at any time. Your ONLY case against luna was that she put Coron at -1. I wonder how you were sure she's scum from that alone. Next, you repeatedly try to get people on me by saying things like "I AGREE, BUT IM STILL SUSPICIOUS OF SHADDOWLURKER BECAUSE HIS PREDECESSOR PUT CORON AT -1 OMG" over and over again. Lastly, you introduce this new bit of "evidence" recently and are refusing to answer my questions about it.

You're confusing me with Zindaras. I wasn't voting Luna because she lurked. I'm sorry that you may have inherited a scum role, but you cannot get the slate wiped clean and undo Luna's actions.

It's going to take a while to gain my trust and making scummy proposals like you did will make it take even longer.

I find it very suspicious that anyone would specifically want the mouth to claim. Especially after you made sure to clarify that the artifact would be lost if the owner were killed that night.

HH just COMPLETELY ignored my post. I asked him how asking the Mouth to claim was scummy, once again he says it's a "scummy proposal" without saying why. Then he goes on to say it's "very suspicious" once again, without saying why.

[Nai]

He actually did say why. Because if the owner of the Mouth is killed, the Mouth is gone, and no one can use it.