Open 9 - Basic Twelve Player (Game Over!) - before 400

[Battle Mage]

lol with a doctor called Sage, its hardly surprising that the Mafia got him lol.
ill throw in an accussation for IH, seeing as ive heard a rumour that he is ALWAYS scum.

BM votes for IH

[Battle Mage]

oops, i need to do in bold.

vote for IH

[Battle Mage]

because Lowell seems happy to go for Masterchief, i can assume he is not Mafia.
Therefore i change my vote to Lowell, in an attempt to save a citizen.

[Battle Mage]

vote Lowell

[Battle Mage]

wow i gotta say im quite surprised that everyone seems to think i-in my first Mafia Game here, is actually a baddie. Unfortunately i am not a Mafia, nor do i have any interesting role. I am a townie.
I dont expect you to believe me, as at this point it is all gut instinct and guess work, but i suggest that the willingness of 3 people to jump onto me, is a sign that one of theirs is in danger.
That means Lowell or Masterchief imo.
Those townies who have voted for me, i implore you to change your vote. We have already lost the doctor, and to lose another townie this early on would be catastrophic.
dont make a big mistake.
BM

*also, what is FOS?

[Battle Mage]

cheers.
I wouldnt exactly say that im new to this game, as i have played it alot on other websites, but here everyone seems to take it alot more seriously, and its completely different. You guys are like the pro's, so ur gonna have to teach me as i go along. i mean, what do u mean by 'claiming'?

BM

He's new... I'd give him a break.

In fact, based on that post, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. I remember what it was like to be new. My basic defense was and still kind of is "look, I'm not scum, I don't know how else to say it." I get the feeling that he's protown.

unvote, vote:Fircoal

because I'm still not sure about his vote on Battle Mage.

[Battle Mage]

well i dont see how 'claiming' early on is bad logic. The Mafia will already know that i am either a townie or a special character. Bearing in mind they are trying to eliminate the special characters, claiming to be protown early on is GOOD.

WEll, I argee about the bad logic, now that I look at it. It doesn't really add anything to the discussion of what happened. Battlemage has done some bad logic, through, this whole game.

[Battle Mage]

lol if ur going to accuse me, at least accuse me of something i have done.
When did i accuse Fircoal of bad logic? If i remember rightly, it was the other way around...
Your logic however IS flawed, because u dont seem to realise that not everyone in the Mafia Game tells the truth. I have claimed i am a townie, but the Mafia doesnt know if that is true. I could just be saving my arse from a lynching.

Unvote, Vote SpectrumVoid

Making simple mistakes, and being a general jerk=scum

vote: Battle Mage

Because of earlier post (for not caring about us town), and for accusing Fircoal of saying his claiming was bad logic, when Fircoal was talking about something else (the lowell/mc issue). Misrepresentation = scum.

[Battle Mage]

an OMGUS vote?
smooth...
If ur gonna insult someone for no reason, dont bother trying to make urself look smart by inventing some stupid abbreviation.

Twito... if you think Fircoal is scummy for Ripley's reasoning.... why aren't you voting Ripley? If that's why you're voting Fircoal, shouldn't Ripley be your manin vote, and watch Fircoal?

IGMEOY:Twito

Ripleys reasoning was so funny that I can't vote the poor guy for making me laugh. Fircoal however stated that was a GOOD REASONING.
Then again I guess Ripley wasn't joking but he was serious about it so they are both scummy. Fircoal for following horrible reason to wagon and Ripley for making the horrible reason.

Unvote

for now I don't know where to move my vote or whether to keep it were it is. Gotta think.

lol if ur going to accuse me, at least accuse me of something i have done.
When did i accuse Fircoal of bad logic? If i remember rightly, it was the other way around...
Your logic however IS flawed, because u dont seem to realise that not everyone in the Mafia Game tells the truth. I have claimed i am a townie, but the Mafia doesnt know if that is true. I could just be saving my arse from a lynching.

Unvote, Vote SpectrumVoid

Making simple mistakes, and being a general jerk=scum

vote: Battle Mage

That's just pure OMGUS vote.

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Your voting him based only on him voting you.

He didn't say your claiming was bad logic it had nothing to do with the claiming.

[Battle Mage]

im not going to explain the flaw with that theory again, but go back to my previous posts and you will see.

Oh, I thought it was a vote cause you were a Jerk. <3

Yeah, Battle Mage is innocent. I remember being a newbie too.

I'll throw in an unvote, vote Fircoal while I'm here. Nothing you've said makes me believe you're not scum.

I believe that Battle Mage is not the only newbie... have you bothered to look at the townsperson titles? So if you're willing to cut Battle Mage some slack, why not spread the newbie slack all around? I mean I'm just saying.....

Also Battle Mage, Claiming is not good. Not only is there NO call for it, but you have just eliminated the scum's shot at a potential power role. Don't take things so personally, as this is a game, and someone is going to have to get attacked.

[Battle Mage]

I'll clarify for you. In my opinion, i am a FAIRLY experienced player of Mafia Game, having played them and run them numerous times over the internet. However, you dont seem to recognise that playing it as a side-order to another game, is entirely different to playing it on a specialised website with Pro's. You guys evidently take this VERY seriously, and have turned this into a sort of culture. I am new to this site, and whilst i know the basic mechanics of the game, i am not used to being criticised for every innocent post i make. That is, i suppose, what comes with being good at the game. I have not heard of many of these abbreviations, which i expect are unique to this game, and possibly this website, however that does not make me scum.
Anyway, it seems that most of you are quite willing to scapegoat me, making me very suspicious that you are Mafia. It looks like im going for the chop, but when i do, and you realise i am innocent, i want an apology from each and every person who voted for me.
Failure to deliver this, will incriminate you to the extent of being the next to go.
All this unvoting is very confusing, and im not sure who i am currently voting for, but i will

Unvote, Vote Ripley

He seems to be trying WAY too hard to incriminate me. Anyone who thinks that much about this game is either a complete addict, or a Member of the Mafia.

I'm happy with my vote on Battle Mage at present. I think he's playing the newbie card a bit too vigorously and not entirely convincingly. This, for example:

wow i gotta say im quite surprised that everyone seems to think i-in my first Mafia Game here, is actually a baddie. Unfortunately i am not a Mafia, nor do i have any interesting role. I am a townie.

SV pops in now because she forgot to add this game on watch list.

Why the heck did you claim on page 2?

You guys are like the pro's, so ur gonna have to teach me as i go along. i mean, what do u mean by 'claiming'?

I just don't buy this not understanding what claim means. It's not as if an impersonal discussion on claiming theory had just started, spectrumvoid is quite clearly referring to something Battle Mage himself has just done, and as if that weren't clear enough she

actually quotes the claim

.

There's also the whole "I know absolutely nothing" tone of the post quoted above, which sounds completely false when contrasted with this:

Your logic however IS flawed, because u dont seem to realise that not everyone in the Mafia Game tells the truth.
...
Unvote, Vote SpectrumVoid
Making simple mistakes, and being a general jerk=scum

.. where he's telling a much more experienced player they don't know the basics of the game and he does. The whole switch in tone is like he's forgotten to stick to an act he was putting on.

Then there's this:

u dont seem to realise that not everyone in the Mafia Game tells the truth. I have claimed i am a townie, but the Mafia doesnt know if that is true. I could just be saving my arse from a lynching.

You seem to be conceding here that you lie even when protown, in which case why should we believe anything at all that you say?

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[Battle Mage]

i dont mind being voted for when i 'act scummy', however it is rather frustrating that every post i make is referred to as a 'scum post...
I dont so much take these games seriously in a competitive way, but i find that i enjoy them immensely. I have yet to complete a game on this site, so i do not claim to be an expert, and am quite willing to learn, however it is not completely impossible for someone on this site to make a mistake. Even you pro's dont know EVERYTHING. and to an extent it is about opinion. In my opinion i feel that the reasons for lynching me are weak, then i will say so. I will also defend myself if remarks get personal.

Lowell: You do realise that your point about how scum would react is completely wifomish right? Scum could have guessed you'd think that way and react that way on purpose. Wifomish.

BM: I can sympathise with BM to a certain extent. I'm from IRC mafia, where games end in 30 min, with a different way of playing. But it's your reaction that I find alarming. Since you're willing to try this site, shouldn't you start learning how people play around here, instead of being close-minded and sticking to your old playstyle?

I don't like that demanding an attitude apology from everyone who voted you. Sorry to be mean here, but that sounds extremely childish. If you act scummy, expect yourself to get voted. And stop whining about it.

Anyone who thinks that much about a game = anyone who is trying to win. Are you saying you aren't going to try hard to find scum? You'll find yourself lynched very easily that way in a larger game with more players with that attitude.

unvote

I think BM's problem here is his attitude. I don't think he's scum, more like a player who needs time to learn. Pending his reaction to my rather inflaming post.

[Battle Mage]

half the time i think ur making this words up...

[Battle Mage]

err do you even know what an OMGUS is?

Unvote, Vote AndrewS

for having such poor reasoning for a vote.
Also

FOS: ShadowLurker

for being so damn confident about the Mafia.

Unvote, Vote: Akbar

Both an OMGUS and bad logic.


Plus, y'know, he kinda cheated us with that deathtrap airship thing...

[Battle Mage]

if you have some evidence that he is town please tell us, rather than dropping a hint. If not, why are you so keen to stick up for him?

How do you explain a dead doc "without a night" ? Daykills?

I'm fairly certain AndrewS is town by the way. All votes should be off him, look over his posts in isolation, he dropped an extremely strong town tell.

Mafia would be confident about ones scumbuddys being mafia.

And I have 3 scumbuddies?

[Battle Mage]

err... werent YOU on the AndrewS wagon?

Andrews still strikes me as a Mafia cornered, and until anyone else acts more scummy, my vote stands.
BM

unvote

Erm... AndrewS the point isn't about you missing the post. I think the wagon is on you not because you're inattentive, but because of possible misrepresentation.

I do not think AndrewS is scummy because of that, it's probably an innocent mistake. Reason being I'm a pretty active poster, he couldn't have tried to malign me since it was so easy for me to point it out.

It's the people on the AndrewS wagon who worry me.

vote: IH

(I'm giving BM some leeway here and I know it, but IH's an experienced player.)

[Battle Mage]

dropping a hint about who you think is Mafia without actually voting, can be a great move for Mafia, as it turns the conversation, without them putting themselves directly in opposition.
FOS: Fircoal.

[Battle Mage]

i implore everyone not on the IH wagon to think carefully about what it signifies. This game certainly hasnt been the most lively ive participated in, and i somewhat feel sorry for those who are Mafia in it, as it must be a real drag. It is my OPINION (as believe me when i say it is nothing more than speculation) that those who are pushing for a lynch most, are these frustrated Mafia.
I personally dont think we have enough evidence to lynch him, and i am greatly suspicious of those who are piling him.
The Central Scrutiniser has been especially keen to lynch him recently.
Im not saying that i think IH is innocent, but TCS has been exhibiting some pretty scummy behaviour recently, and is certainly worthy of my vote.

[Battle Mage]

I will also

FOS: Akbar

, as a likely candidate for Newb Mafia award. If it turns out that TCS is Mafia, i am pretty certain that Akbar wont be far behind him.

Vote: The Central Scrutiniser

Why isn't IH lynched yet?

Ok, I'll help ya bandwagon. Of course, if he turns out to be town, this combined with my earlier suspicion of you, will confirm your scum.

Vote IH

[Battle Mage]

I prefer to think of it as a good attempt at avoiding a Townie-Lynch.
Afraid of the fact that i have worked out ur scumbuddies perhaps?

i implore everyone not on the IH wagon to think carefully about what it signifies. This game certainly hasnt been the most lively ive participated in, and i somewhat feel sorry for those who are Mafia in it, as it must be a real drag. It is my OPINION (as believe me when i say it is nothing more than speculation) that those who are pushing for a lynch most, are these frustrated Mafia.
I personally dont think we have enough evidence to lynch him, and i am greatly suspicious of those who are piling him.
The Central Scrutiniser has been especially keen to lynch him recently.
Im not saying that i think IH is innocent, but TCS has been exhibiting some pretty scummy behaviour recently, and is certainly worthy of my vote.

Good Appeal to Emotion

Unvote Vote BM

[Battle Mage]

well i can certainly vouch for the former. The latter is of course just suspicion, but the fact u have no response does little for your defence...

[Battle Mage]

well im not Mafia, so that kinda rules your theory out, but nice try.
@ Spectrumvoid-i suppose you would say that, being on the wagon yourself.

To BM:

Bandwagoning =/= scum.

The actions of IH = scum.

I wonder if you're not uncomfortable that we are onto

your

scumbuddy.

On the other hand, I would like for IH to post his defense before we lynch him. It would make scum easier to track.

[Battle Mage]

i spose that probably true, but that kind of logic will inevitably lead to the fall of the town

[Battle Mage]

anyone fancy a TCS-Ripley Mafia Pairing?
I have said that TCS has been acting suspicious from the word go, but his defence of Ripley (who has also been acting scummy) makes me wonder about their relation to each other...

FoS: Twito and Fircoal

[Battle Mage]

god, can we lynch TCS yet?
hes been acting so obviously scummy its untrue!

[Battle Mage]

lol i feel the same way. I am sooo goddamn sure that The Central Scrutiniser is scum, but no-one seems willing to listen. Anyway, i guess when you all realise that i was right, i get gloating rights.
Right?

You guys are all nuts. No one ever listens to me.

I have a scum. His name is IH. Lynch please.
Another scum, too. Her name is SV.

[Battle Mage]

Of course you wouldnt see. You ARE his scumbuddy after all!

LAWL, have you even read the last few pages?

Not only that, but you have now entered the realm of lurker hunting. = )

Ok, I'll give you a pass for being ill. Now focus on the second part of what I wrote. What have you contributed to the town?

Ripley, Ripley is the most like scum. Now he brings another person up, trying so hard to get a lynch while yet appearing innocent. Lowell too, has acted scummy, and trying to defend his fellow scum, and counter claim.

I really don't see what you're seeing.

[Battle Mage]

ye, post 11 was pretty weak logic, but it was no less useful than a random vote. On page 1, most people arent taking the game so seriously.

[Battle Mage]

*BM impatiently awaits the wagon on TCS (who is blatantly scum) to grow.

[Battle Mage]

well, based on the fact that the deadline is approaching, and TCS looks likely to get away with his heinous crimes another night, i guess im gonna have to

Unvote

, as we really cant do without some sort of lynch tonight!
Of the two wagons (on Akbar and IH) i have to say that the IH wagon looks the most scummy-primarily as TCS is on the top of it.
If TCS is scum (which im sure is true) IH is presumably town, as TCS wouldnt risk leaving the vote on him this close to the deadline. With this in mind, im going to

Vote Akbar

Its not so much that i think hes guilty, but i certainly feel that he is guilty by association at the very least!
I believe that makes the 2 wagons equal in size, so it is left to someone else to cast the deciding vote.
BM

[Battle Mage]

Lowell is right, i did nearly sway the balance, although im not entirely convinced that Akbar is innocent either. It would certainly explain why the vote was so close.
Anyway, i cant see all the Mafia bussing their buddy, so im betting at least 1 was on the Akbar wagon with me. That leaves Twito and Shadowlurker.
On the other hand, im still suspicious of TCS. He seems very keen to get rid of ShadowLurker today, and this makes me think that perhaps SL is a scapegoat, and Twito-TCS are a scum pair.
I think that if SL is protown, Twito is definitely scum, and TCS is probably scum. On the other hand, if we lynch TCS, not only will we be pretty sure about SL's role, we can also judge Twito pretty well.
Therefore, i still think a TCS lynch would put us in the best stead for tomoz

Vote:TCS

[Battle Mage]

i think he refers to the fact that as soon as i accused u, you voted for me-giving no reasons other than OMGUS.
BM

Didn't anyone hear the shot at night? And why the whole town decided to make surprice visit on AndrewS on morning?

Some ppl heard the shot at night, but didn't want to leave their homes. The town decided to visit Andrew's house because he was missing obv.

I still don't get it. Who did you say shot Andrew?

:D

continued FOS: Twito. I still say you're attacking BM for opportunistic reasons rather than real ones. I read back and remembered why I had exonerated him in the first place. That reasoning still stands.

When have I been attacking BM?

[Battle Mage]

indeed, a claim out of Akbar would answer for alot. Nonetheless, TCS is such a likely scum candidate, i cannot go against the true path.

i think he refers to the fact that as soon as i accused u, you voted for me-giving no reasons other than OMGUS.
BM

He can answer guestions directed to him himself I believe and point me to correct posts so that I can prove him wrong.

I could see BM as scum.
I could see TCS as scum.
I could see Fircoal as scum.
I could see Akbar as scum.
I could actually see many of you as scum.

Actually

unvote

Vote: Akbar

I want a claim out of him. I have my reasons.

[Battle Mage]

and in mini 400 you were scummy as HELL.
I mean seriously. I still cant believe it now

2. Newbie something I was town. Mini 400 I was vig.

[Battle Mage]

i wouldnt go that far. Its unlikely perhaps,but not incredibly so.
I still think its an inherent possibility that we caught 2 Mafia members under big wagons, and their scumbuddies didnt know where to turn. Now of course, you are playing it down, and saying it is ridiculous, but i dont often see a situation where the vote is so close at the end.
BM

3. Twito, why do you want a claim out of Akbar??

Cuz I think he is scum and that there were wagons on two scum yesterday. And cuz of post 376.

Why do you think that? I think it's incredibly unlikely that both wagons were on scum yesterday.

[Battle Mage]

well despite my original opinion that SL looked scummy, TCS being on his wagon is ringing alarm bells in my head.
However, i dont think there is enough of a case on Fircoal either. All i will say is that people should be very wary about joining the wagon on SL. By my reckoning it is scum-filled, and i dont think a speed lynch here would be in our best interests.
BM

[Battle Mage]

actually, neither are correct, as my intention was solely to get across by belief that there was scum on SL's wagon. At the start of the day, SL was my prime candidate for a lynch considering his record, but the fact that you are on his wagon makes me very suspicious.
Not a cop tell, or a scumtell. Its a BM tell.

TCS: I'd like you to explain who you think is soft-claiming.

Well, after the reread I just did my first piece of evidence seems less strong. When I first read this post:

because Lowell seems happy to go for Masterchief, i can assume he is not Mafia.
Therefore I change my vote to Lowell, in an attempt to save a citizen.

I thought that BM might have been insinuating that he knew MC's alignment. Assuming it was a scumtell, I voted for him. I changed my mind later, partially because I was afraid he might actually be cop. But after this post:

well despite my original opinion that SL looked scummy, TCS being on his wagon is ringing alarm bells in my head.
However, i dont think there is enough of a case on Fircoal either.

All i will say is that people should be very wary about joining the wagon on SL.

By my reckoning it is scum-filled, and i dont think a speed lynch here would be in our best interests.
BM

Emphasis: TCS

It seems to me that he is definitely implying that he knows SL is innocent. I'm not sure if this is a cop-tell or a mafia-tell. I'm leaning toward the latter. It's possible that the remaining scum are Battle Mage and Shadowlurker, and he might be trying to deflect. He might just be mafia unconsciously revealing town. Or, and this is why I was hesitant to post this outright, he might actually be our cop.

Of course, BM might have just said this because he considers the wagon to have scum on it, but I definitely get the vibe that he is implying knowledge of SL's innocence.

[Battle Mage]

But TCS is SCUM!

I'm still liking my "sit back and let TCS do all the work" strategy.

Did SL disappear?

[Battle Mage]

plz tell me which post number you got those quotes from, so i can respond

[Battle Mage]

yeh, looking at it, it does look sort of scummy (because i was defending IH).
Nonetheless, at the time i truly thought that those on IH wagon were opportunists. I was wrong. This doesnt mean i am wrong this time however. If SL turns up as scum, i guess that makes me a prime candidate for lynch tomoz, but in actual fact, i am not scum. Im made a simple mistake. I never said IH was town, but i thought that those on his wagon were more suspicious. I feel the same now. Had SL not got such a big wagon so fast, i would probably have voted for him, but the fact is, it looks like opportunism.

BM

I went over some of the IH posts. There are several places where he made a definite effort to get wagons started on Ripley and Lowell. If anyone is still unsure about them, the 1st half of the thread will lend some insight. There are also a couple spots where he attacked Fircoal, just not as blatent.

In regards to SL, I’m starting to see some connections with BM and IH.

BM: Shut up for a bit, it'll help the town.

This post gives the appearance BM isn’t following SL’s strategy.

i implore everyone not on the IH wagon to think carefully about what it signifies. This game certainly hasnt been the most lively ive participated in, and i somewhat feel sorry for those who are Mafia in it, as it must be a real drag. It is my OPINION (as believe me when i say it is nothing more than speculation) that those who are pushing for a lynch most, are these frustrated Mafia.
I personally dont think we have enough evidence to lynch him, and i am greatly suspicious of those who are piling him.
The Central Scrutiniser has been especially keen to lynch him recently.
Im not saying that i think IH is innocent, but TCS has been exhibiting some pretty scummy behaviour recently, and is certainly worthy of my vote.

The tone of this post seems to change half way through. It begins with “I implore everyone..” ie. Beg, seriously consider, urge, etc.
Then changes to “It is my opinion….nothing more than speculation...”almost like a safeguard for later to what he was saying at the time, because he knew it wasn't true.

Then SL jumps in:

i implore everyone not on the IH wagon to think carefully about what it signifies. This game certainly hasnt been the most lively ive participated in, and i somewhat feel sorry for those who are Mafia in it, as it must be a real drag. It is my OPINION (as believe me when i say it is nothing more than speculation) that those who are pushing for a lynch most, are these frustrated Mafia.
I personally dont think we have enough evidence to lynch him, and i am greatly suspicious of those who are piling him.
The Central Scrutiniser has been especially keen to lynch him recently.
Im not saying that i think IH is innocent, but TCS has been exhibiting some pretty scummy behaviour recently, and is certainly worthy of my vote.

Good Appeal to Emotion

Unvote Vote BM

Here I would like to point out IH was lynch -1. BM had only 1 vote on him. If he thought BM was appealing to emotion to protect IH, why wouldn’t he keep his vote on IH and see the scum lynch go through? Instead he used voting BM as an easy excuse to remove his vote from IH.

The exchange that follows is interesting as well:

I prefer to think of it as a good attempt at avoiding a Townie-Lynch.
Afraid of the fact that i have worked out ur scumbuddies perhaps?

Yes both are obviously true.

well i can certainly vouch for the former

. The latter is of course just suspicion, but the fact u have no response does little for your defence...

@BM Please explain how you can vouch for IH being town?

well despite my original opinion that SL looked scummy, TCS being on his wagon is ringing alarm bells in my head.
However, i dont think there is enough of a case on Fircoal either.

All i will say is that people should be very wary about joining the wagon on SL

. By my reckoning it is scum-filled, and i dont think a speed lynch here would be in our best interests.

For some reason this statement sounds strangely familiar. Oh yeah, that’s because it’s the same thing you said about the IH wagon.

[Battle Mage]

err first of all, can i just remind you of one thing.
Just because u lynched scum yesterday, does not mean you are not scum yourself.
as for word vouch, i interpret it in the same way you have. You just need to read what i said, because me saying "i can vouch for the former" means that "i can affirm the first comment" .i.e. that my intention was to protect the town.

i will answer TCS question later once i have done a reread.
One thing is for sure, your desperate defence of him does not make for a good defence...
BM

yeh, looking at it, it does look sort of scummy (because i was defending IH).
Nonetheless, at the time i truly thought that those on IH wagon were opportunists.

I was wrong

.

QFE

If SL turns up as scum, i guess that makes me a prime candidate for lynch tomoz…

I agree with you completely.

I never said IH was town…

This statement is technically true. Instead you said:

I prefer to think of it as a good attempt at avoiding a Townie-Lynch.

well i can certainly vouch for the former.

I personally dont think we have enough evidence to lynch him

I think I see where the confusion comes from.

I interpret the word “Vouch” to mean affirm, answer for, assure, attest to, certify, confirm, contend, corroborate, declare, guarantee, maintain, profess, prove, sign for, sponsor, support, testify, uphold and warrant.

You seem to portray the word “Vouch” to mean an occurrence when a group of players voting the "vouchee" appear opportunistic.

i thought that those on his wagon were more suspicious. I feel the same now. Had SL not got such a big wagon so fast, i would probably have voted for him, but the fact is, it looks like opportunism.

I don’t know if you’re skimming the thread, ignoring the facts or just hate TCS for some reason. This is the IH vote from yesterday:
-- Lowell, Akbar, AndrewS, The Central Scrutiniser, Ripley

Any idea who thinks SL is suspicious today? Oh look, it’s the same people, with exception to the one voter they took out.
How can you say you were wrong about us being opportunistic yesterday, but somehow right today?

The next quote I hadn't noticed till I did a reread to find out where you

didn't

say IH is town.

*BM impatiently awaits the wagon on TCS (who is blatantly scum) to grow.

Since no one else is willing to talk, I'd like to hear your case on me.

Why haven’t you answered his question yet? Are you just ignoring it like SL did Fircoal and expect it to go away? Instead you decided to make up an excuse to vote me.

well, based on the fact that the deadline is approaching, and TCS looks likely to get away with his heinous crimes another night, i guess im gonna have to

Unvote

, as we really cant do without some sort of lynch tonight!
Of the two wagons (on Akbar and IH) i have to say that the IH wagon looks the most scummy-primarily as TCS is on the top of it.

If TCS is scum (which im sure is true) IH is presumably town, as TCS wouldnt risk leaving the vote on him this close to the deadline

. With this in mind, im going to

Vote Akbar

Its not so much that i think hes guilty, but i certainly feel that he is guilty by association at the very least!
I believe that makes the 2 wagons equal in size, so it is left to someone else to cast the deciding vote.
BM

By your very own logic, “TCS being scum for leaving a vote close to deadline on a

presumed

townie,” you still maintain TCS to be scum after IH was confirmed scum!

I'm keeping my vote on SL for now. I just wanted to post my thoughts in case I get "silenced" tonight.

[Battle Mage]

hmm...
Interesting claim. it seems to fit quite well. I think that SV is

PROBABLY

telling the truth. If he was scum, he would be very foolish to guess at peoples roles, because odds are that he would be wrong.

of course one scenario that i think you forgot to mention is that Akbar is also scum. This of course means that scum could have been on either wagon yesterday-further complicating matters. To this end, i wouldnt be surprised if some Mafia members were on the IH wagon.

I'm going to wait some time for a possible conterclaim.

If you made this up, it obviously means your scum with either SL or BM. Since that was today's focus you many have thought the game was over and your just buying a little time.

If your telling the truth, then I agree BM is one scummy townie. It's like playing with Panzer.

Never EVER say that to me again. I cant think of a worse insult you could have burdened me with. Please take it back, or ill sulk in the corner for the rest of the game!

[Battle Mage]

do i detect a hint of resentment at the fact you have now probably lost?

Well, unless there is a counterclaim, my scumtheory is pretty much shot to hell. However, I think that spectrumvoid made the right decision by coming out at this point. Three confirmed innocents basically means that the mafia is screwed.

I'm going to have to think about this game a lot more before I start throwing around accusations again. But I will

unvote

and

FOS: Akbar

for the bad leads.

Wow, I can't believe SL is town. ><

[Battle Mage]

you do all that analysis and then just join the largest wagon?
also-why ignore TCS? (obvious scum).

So I guess I believe SV's claim, and I'll believe she is sane and there is no GF. Her posts are pretty consistent with what I would expect from a cop. That clears her, BM, and SL.

As well, I'm also not budging on Akbar being town. I find it nearly impossible to believe that we had 2 scum on the brink of lynch. Ripley, for sniffing out IH and placing the decisive vote (when no action at all would have sent Akbar to the gallows instead), has got to be town.

That leaves me only TCS, Twito, and Fircoal as scum candidates.

We should go back to the flurry of activity around lynch. Especially if you assume (as I do) Akbar to be town, the last few days/hours before the IH lynch really come into focus. Akbar made a good post about this, actually. Post 376. He just unfortunately came to the wrong conclusion.

I believe the scum are the 3 "multiple-posters" towards the lynch. IH, Fircoal, and Twito.

I know earlier I suspected Fircoal for the way he shifted his vote at the end, but somehow I got turned away from that and onto SL and SV. So, back to basics.

vote Fircoal

FoS Twito

[Battle Mage]

Yes, i think this suggestion would answer for alot.
Im not convinced however that Twito is scum. given the choices we have left, i would far prefer a TCS lynch...
BM

Ok, I guess that's about as convincing as can be right now about SV being the Cop.

Vote Twito

Reasoning can be found on post 376 & 400 if anyone's interested.

SV, on the off chance Mafia tries to frame you by not night-killing you, or if we have a nurse role that got unlocked, can you investigate me, for BM's benefit?

[Battle Mage]

if this is your opinion, may i ask WHY you have entrusted ShadowLurker with your vote?

To all of you not on the Shadowlurker wagon, I have one question for you: what, if anything, has Shadowlurker said or done to benefit the town, at all, this entire game?

[Battle Mage]

EBWOP: Ignore that. I just remembered SL was cleared.

if this is your opinion, may i ask WHY you have entrusted ShadowLurker with your vote?

To all of you not on the Shadowlurker wagon, I have one question for you: what, if anything, has Shadowlurker said or done to benefit the town, at all, this entire game?

[Battle Mage]

note that i havent cleared Akbar yet. the fact that the Mafia was evidently split, implies the inherent possibility that both him and IH were scum. Despite TCS giving his vote to SL, i still dont trust him. Im also very wary of the fact that Fircoal is already 1 from lynch (pending an SL vote)
not voting yet, but

big FOS: Akbar, TCS

[Battle Mage]

well im cleared. i also have a strong feeling that Lowell is protown. That leaves TCS, Akbar and Ripley. I cant placer Ripley as either scum or town atm. TCS and Akbar i could both envisage as being scum, but presumably only 1 of them is. I have been voting TCS for the best part of 3 days now, and whilst i feel i should stick with my convictions, i think Akbar is equally suspicious. I wont vote for now, and can i request that nobody hammers anyone until i have had time to reread tomorrow.
BM

[Battle Mage]

QFT. I am bound to get NKed tonight, UNLESS the scum believe (as i do) that one of the remaining players is a role-blocker. If that is the case, can the RB plz claim now?
In the meantime, im going to reread and decide which of Akbar and TCS is scummier.
BM

Well, I don't mind taking one for the team just to get us closer. Being one of the less-experienced players remaining, I wouldn't take it too hard .

If we go that route, we'll be LyLo with Lowell, Ripley and TCS tomorrow. The question is will the remaining scum be apparent from that group.

[Battle Mage]

well my reread makes ALL of you look pretty scummy (other than SL).
Akbar and TCS look as thick as thieves throughout the game (usually voting the same way within a couple of posts of each other)
Fortunately, i noticed a bit of fraternising between Fircoal (confirmed scum) and Akbar. I dont think Fircoal would be dumb enough to congratulate his scumbuddy in thread.
Im happy to go for a TCS lynch today, but tomorrow i expect Akbar to be lynched. If BOTH him and TCS are protown, ill eat my cat.

Vote: TCS

[Battle Mage]

so you are scum?
YAY!

Good game, town.

I blame Fircoal.

[Battle Mage]

I FRIGGING KNEW IT!
Wicked Game guys!

And so the tradition of lightning fast decisions continues. The Central Scrutiniser barely has a chance to get out of bed before he is set upon by a lynch mob of three. The Central Scrutiniser is strung up in the town square, and his body left there as a warning to any mafias who would dare try to infiltrate this town. The four townies look at each other in relief, pleased to have finally destroyed the evil within the town, though many innocent lives were lost. For now, the town is safe. Thankyou for playing.

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The Central Scrutiniser (Mafia) has been lynched.

Town wins!

Nightactions and comments to follow shortly.

[Battle Mage]

You didnt mention the fact i was onto TCS from Day 1.
BM wants Mod recognition

Well this game was certainly a pleasant first modding experience. Minimal issues, and only one replacement needed, along with decent activity.

As for the play, the scum got lucky hitting the doctor night 0, but they were pretty much on the back foot for the whole game, at least certainly after IH was lynched. I wasn't reading as closely as most players I'd imagine, so I wasn't entirely clear what the case against IH was, though it seemed to work well enough.

Fircoal was probably a little too transparent in his intentions on day 1. The attempts to save IH were risky, and meant that he was always going to be suspect after IH died. The Central Scrutuniser took a more subtle approach. I could see clear signs of bussing, mostly the fact that he had a mystery scumtell on IH which he couldn't reveal, and the fact that he was so sure. He also made alot of attemps to set people up for "when IH turns up scum tomorrow" which I thought suggested he already knew what the result of lynch would be. Of course, it's always easy to spot these things when you're in the moderator's position.

Main other thing was the timing of the cop claim. It worked well, though I had wondered whether voidycakes might try to hold out for another night and get another investigation in. She looked scummy enough to probably not be nightkilled. Of course, the risk was that she could be killed and all her information would die with her.

Well played guys, and hope you enjoyed the game!