I'm here, I'm here. Sorry, folks, long weekend here. I thought I'd be around more than I was. That and the e-mail notifications don't seem to be going through at the moment
First, theopor's defence. It's compelling, I admit. My opinion of him has improved over what it was, previously. That said, I don't think it completely exonerates him. It comes off a little dramatic. "Oh please,
please
, don't lynch poor naive meee." We can all agree he hasn't played this game as well as he could have. But is he poor town or poor scum? I still think the early plays line up more with poor scum play. The latest round of pleas come off as a little desperate.
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Next, VR's starting to worry me, some. His attack on Seol for (apparently) not restating his position at the conclusion of their debate comes off as a little contrived. I think Seol made his position fairly clear, and it doesn't reflect well on VR to try and indicate otherwise.
VitaminR wrote:Azkar has avoided the Seol/me debate.
Fircoal wrote:Well the Azkar wagon could of been seen as either way, and the debate was not understandible by me and Theopor, so maybe Azkar didn't understand it either.
VitaminR wrote:No, he did. He commented on it. He didn't take a stand, though.
Just to address this ...
Yes, I understood the gist of what was going on. Some of it went over my head, and that's why I took as much time as I did before commenting on it at all. And, no, I didn't take a firm stand. I had mixed feelings about the exchange, which I tried to convey. I'm not going to sit here and pretend to take a definitive position when I don't know exactly where I stand.
Thesp wrote:I'm still fairly fixated on theopor_COD, and I'm a little surprised at the lack of claim from him after essentially being told to do so (rightly, I think) by Seol.
VitaminR wrote:Theopor is at 2 now (Fircoal unvoted), I don't think he need claim.
VitaminR wrote:Also, he forced a claim from theopor on a third vote when there has been no indication of anyone wanting to put on a fourth vote. This allows someone who normally wouldn't have theopor to go "ah well, at worst he's a townie" and hammer him.
VitaminR wrote:Also, (and I'm adding this as I eat breakfast) Seol really had no right to ask for a claim. Thesp is still in need of a re-read and he could, for instance, realistically switch to Seol.
All this focus on Seol's request for a claim seems odd. Theopor had been at lynch -1 for quite a while, with two others willing to vote if it wouldn't cause a lynch. I don't think it was unreasonable to ask for a claim. Fircoal's unvoted, but that's irrelevant to the request for claim, since the unvote was
after
theopor's non-claim.
Seol wrote:I'm not seeing the difference. I ignored the wagon (along with the rest of the game - not that that's justifiable, just trying to put it in context), which therefore links me and Azkar. Thesp, who actually was here, was ignoring the wagon, and it's a sign they're not linked... except that if Azkar is scum, it's a black mark against Thesp (i.e., it's a sign they're linked... if it suits you).
VitaminR wrote:There's a big difference. You avoided the wagon, you didn't ignore it at all (you commented on it quite definitively when did you post).
I'm afraid I really don't understand the distinction you're trying to draw, here. I'd think ignoring the wagon
completely
would be a more suspicious act than at least acknowledging it, if maybe a little late.
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I'd really like to see a meatier post from Avinyl. I don't have much to go on, with him. He lurks a lot, and posts little pot shots, here and there. There doesn't seem to be a lot to back up his shots, though.
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I think that's all I meant to comment on. I find theo slightly less suspicious, and VR slightly more. Most of the other players I have a hard time getting a read on. Seol's a very good debater. He's probably either being very helpful or very unhelpful.
I don't think my positions have changed enough for me to change my vote right.