Is it really trying to look town if you really are town? I'm just trying to get the people out that will hurt us most by staying in, i.e. scum. And, Primate, I will answer your question soon enough.
First, in case anyone has condemned me for calling a fellow townie an ally...what should I call them? I'll just go to dictionary.com for an accurate definition (for our benefit, I'll just use the ones that most accurately explain my situation)
ally-noun-
1)to associate or connect by some mutual relationship, as resemblance or friendship.
2)a person, group, or nation that is associated with another or others for some common cause or purpose:
3)a person who associates or cooperates with another; supporter.
So, as we all probably know, an ally is someone who cooperates with someone for some mutual benefit. All townies are allies of other townies, as well as allies with doctors, police officers, etc. But by the same token, I understand that people call mafia scum 'partners', which is usable in the same context as 'ally', so I understand why some people may be getting mad at me for using what could be called a 'buzzword'.
For everyone else, here are my 3 quotes that have been brought into question by Primate, who seemed to awake out of a multi-page slumber to bring accusations against a person who has the best interests at heart.
#153 #163 #206
hollywoody1221 wrote:BTW, if anyone thinks i'm trying not to go for a lynch, I'm trying to lynch the person who will hurt us most by staying in the game. Right now, that's ToasterStrudel. He's acting like a complete r-tard right now, and if it's a ploy, as Panzerjager may be suggesting, then I must ask why a fellow townie would do that.
hollywoody1221 wrote:Yosarian2 wrote:
In the first post, it kind of sounds like you were thinking TS was more likely town then not, and you sounded pretty much unsure in general, but then you turn around and vote for her a few posts later.
Did something change your mind?
I think you may be kind of exaggerating a few things to spread some suspicion, though I may be, and probably am, wrong. Panzerjager placed his initial FoS of TS on monday of last, then placed his vote on him that saturday. A total of almost two full pages and 5 days seems like enough time to consider all the posts of everyone else, and was a reasonable time to come to a conclusion.
I'm still reasonably sure that TS is not a help to us. Oh, and slightly off the topic I quoted, does anyone else find it ironic that the person ToasterStrudel is , according to her, voting for is the person most similar to her?
hollywoody1221 wrote:On the whole, I agree with what Raffles just said. In the two games I've played on here, a player gets lynched more often for being an idiot (or just acting like one for a moment) than they do for being scummy. But, I still am staying on ToasterStrudel because she (he?) is making comments that I find unhelpful, and detrimental to our cause, which is to lynch the mafia, obviously. S/he is preventing us from doing that, and is, therefore, not an ally of mine.
In the first quote, it comes right after Panzerjager's quote:
Panzerjager wrote:Alright. TS really wants to be lynched. This is a very bad situation. We have Cubsfan who is intentionally doing thinks to try and get people lynched. Then we have TS whos idiocy is confusing the town, purposeful or not. I have seen bad town and bad scum act like this. I have also seen good scum act like this purposfully counting on being ignored. So I kinda want to avoid lynching him due not wanting to lynch town but he is being detrimental. I really don't want to count on the vig(if we have one) to have to win this.
This is at a point of the game where TS is playing a game that is confusing to me, and not helping my voting situation. If he really is town, why is he playing a game that will draw a lot of flak? If he is scum, why put himself into such a position as to draw flak on day one for no good reason? This is the same question that I asked the first time, and I have yet to get a good response from ToasterStrudel.
During the second quote, I am making something of an accusation of Yosarian/defense of Panzerjager on the basis that Yosarian was exaggerating Panzerjager's statements in order to put suspicion on him. I don't know why, as the vote on ToasterStrudel was correct at the time, as ToasterStrudel was playing in a style that was not helpful to the town.
During the third and final vote, it is based on Raffles previous comment:
Raffles wrote:The way I see it after I've been playing a few games, I think I see a pattern.
Everyone goes about using a same way to hunt out a scum. That is to get everyone to act the same. Anyone who step out of this line exhibit something so-called "a scum tell", and is suspected of having a hidden agenda.
I disagree and have a healthy dislike for this tactic (which seems to be universal throughout the site). For one thing, if this were the case, the best thing for the scums to do is to forget their hidden agenda. This means that the probability of exhibiting "scum tell" is determined by the player's experience, but independent of the alignment. Which implies the probability of someone getting lynched is solely based on experience. This implies that no matter what game, it is noobish player that will get lynched and whether that person is a scum or not is solely dependent on luck.
Given this, it is far more likely that the scum would survive, because there are always less of them and they have NK ability.
Second and more general point is this rule does not allow you to experiment with different playstyle. I for one have found out a noobish play attracts far more votes than a scummy play. But I'll leave it at that as the game is still ongoing.
He makes a general statement, that may be applicable to many games. As I stated at the time, a person is more likely to be lynched early for playing stupidly than they are for playing like scum. This is because stupid play brings out the worst in some of us, and we play worse, making it easier for the mafia to turn us against each other, in general.
That is my discussion on the three quotes, and the events leading up to them. As I mentioned earlier in this post, I will now discuss my views on the scumminess of any player. Firstly, though, I want to
unvote ToasterStrudel
, as it was a vote made solely for the fact that he may influence people the wrong way.
Player List:
Analcagon -I'm not picking up scummy vibes from him. Playing quietly, made his vote on TS, seems confident in it.
Hollywoody1221- As Steve Buscemi says in Reservoir Dogs, 'I Know I'm clean'
Yosarian-Defends Dragon Phoenix to the death, has been suspicious of Kinkster since day 1 (ok, it's still day one, but I mean since page 3). I'm almost certain of an alliance with Dragon Phoenix.
Cubsfan4ever- After drawing much early suspicion against himself, he has vanished without a peep (like a virgin on prom night). I can't get a current read on him for that reason.
ToasterStrudel-Started out playing stupidly, IMO. He made a number of hypocritical statements (even though we all do at some point in a game) that I found odd, and upset my view of him. He may not be scum, but unless he does something that I cannot think of right now, I am not convinced that he is townie.
Dragon Phoenix- Has made a number of votes, that while keeping him in the public eye, are not helpful. After 7 or 8 pages into a game, we should not need to be lynching someone based on them not being here. That is so unhelpful to the lynching of mafia, as someone must have become at least somewhat suspicious to you.
Panzerjager- I am not certain that he is town, but I certain enough that I am not going to vote for him at this point. He was one of the first 3 to become suspicious of ToasterStrudel, along with myself and Analcagon, so I may be slightly biased to someone who thinks along the same pathways as myself. I am wary of his vote/unvote action on mole, because I disagree with his reasoning for doing so. He also explains why he is voting on mole, unlike DP, who did it because he hates lurkers, as he stated on post 108, 'I do not like lurkers'. It's fair enough for him not to like lurkers, but to vote him after a number of pages does not make sense, especially with his attitude.
Phoebus- Also makes the push towards a vote for mole ,for the same reason as DragonPhoenix. Plus, Yosarian defends him on post #136, saying that his actions aren't scummy. The original disagreements with DP seem forgotten now, and he is following DP on whatever thread he goes to, now that he isn't being accused.
Kinkster- May be scum, but I am less and less certain of it. First off, he dislikes DP's hardheaded decision to keep a lynch-all-lurkers vote on mole. It would become clear that after 5 pages of post, he's probably forgotten about the game, and would be replaced. He's also suspicious of phoebus's very early defense of VitaminR, after he's been a game for a very short time. I may not personally like him, but I don't think he's scum, merely because DP and phoebus find him scummy.
AlexPaleotti (Sp?)- I'm not finding him scummy, but I don't think anyone is right now.
SpectrumVoid-He's staying quiet, there's a tiny percent chance of him lurking as a scum, but I don't think so.
Primate- He randomly brought an accusation of me to the table, after I've done nothing that has been anti-town, because that would be anti-me. This was quickly followed by Yosarian's damnation of me.
Ok, I'm too tired to do anyone else right now, but I listed the people that have been playing the largest roles, or been posting most consistently. I think DP and Yosarian, and Primate are scum partners, as I implied during my section on the characters. I'm less certain that Phoebus is, but he is following DP and Yosarian blindly. TS and Cubsfan4ever were pretty viciously assaulted earlier this game, but now I am only reasonably sure that TS is scum, as DP and Yosarian managed to carefully shift the votes away from him, and onto other people. Therefore, I propose a plan. We get rid of DP, Yosarian, or Primate. If one of them fall, then I'm probably going to get killed by them in the night, for bringing suspicion on them. But, if I get lynched, remember that Yosarian and Primate brought the initial suspicion against me, and that 1)Yosarian and DP have been in agreement. 2)Phoebus has been in agreement with DP, and is following DP.
Therefore, My list of scum, and the percentage of me that thinkst that
80% or more :DP, Yosarian, and Primate
70%-80%: Phoebus
60%-70%: ToasterStrudel
That is my views on the current game, and I am now going to sleep, as I've been up for 36 of the past 44 hours, and need some sleep. But not until I
vote Dragon Phoenix
.
You send me to the hospital, and I'll send you to the morgue.
), and you're that convinced that you've done it halfway through Day 1, then you should learn to control that ego a bit.