<Mini 435> Julius Caesar Mafia, Player Abandoned

[ryan]

Vote: Patrick

Random Vote, nothing more nothing less.

[ryan]

Phoebus: Was wondering if you could give any new imput to your vote selection?

[ryan]

Annoying yes, but enough to vote somebody? Are you still in the "not sure" stage and sticking with it due to the red posting OR are you lurking and only replying when somebody calls you out? (which is a little strange you came out so quick after my post)

[ryan]

Mod can we get another vote count?

[ryan]

If Guardian is a townie he is sure going about proving it the wrong with with all the red posts that seem to be annoying people

[ryan]

Eteocles makes a couple good points, we have two players with zero posts, which is either a bunch of lurkers OR they aren't playing. I'm gonna hang tight with my random vote till I hear from them

[ryan]

Eteocles makes a couple good points, we have two players with zero posts, which is either a bunch of lurkers OR they aren't playing. I'm gonna hang tight with my random vote till I hear from them

Or maybe you're looking for a reason to avoid weighing in on one of your scumbuddies. You can't simply refuse to contribute until lurkers do; that's totally unproductive. Lurking in plain sight isn't much better than simply lurking.

Or I don't want to lynch somebody with two people not even voting.

[ryan]

Agreed Patrick. Most times (unless somebody makes a HUGE mistake) they wouldn't draw that much attention to them. Now did he make a mistake? That is the question

[ryan]

Ryan and Sarcastro's little disagreement doesn't seem scummy to me. Just a quirky misunderstanding. Ryan does not want to lynch anyone while people are not participating and sacastro took it as ryan not wanting to contribute.

No, it wasn't a misunderstanding. I know exactly what Ryan said, but I believe that his

refusal to "lynch"

(which is ridiculous, because nobody's even close to a lynch) is really just an excuse for not contributing.

That is completely out of context and you know it. I never refused to lynch anyone and I'm not making an excuse, I agree that there are motives for a few people but nothing that has jumped out at me and said "vote them" give me a reason to vote for somebody and I'll take it under consideration.

[ryan]

Sarcastro: Please tell me who else hasn't stuck with their random vote

[ryan]

What do you mean? You can simply look at the votecount. As far as I can tell only, you, Eteocles and VanDamien all still have your random votes. While I would encourage all three of you to move on to voting for people who you actually find scummy (or justifying your existing votes), I don't see how this is relevant. Don't try to turn my argument into "Ryan is scummy because he won't change his vote", because that's not what it is at all. It's about what you said and how you said it. Neither Eteocles nor VanDamien felt the need to say that they weren't prepared to lynch someone while two people were lurking, and neither did they use this as justification for non-contribution.

I'm not going to continue arguing in this post, simply put I'm not gonna switch my vote when there are two people lurking and not posting, I find it interesting that I make a statement that you jump down my throat about, yet two people haven't said a dang thing and you seem to be silent. Why vote and start a potential lynch with two people not saying a dang thing? You want to call that scummy, do what ya gotta do but I'm calling it "waiting till all the evidence is in".

[ryan]

I agree with

unvote vote: ryan

, the two not posting are the weak link(s), and

we definitely need some contributions

from them before we can reasonably decide upon the best lynch candidate for today; this is a bad reason for ryan himself not to contribute, though.

I'm posting aren't I? I'm asking questions, I'm looking into possible scum, how is that not helping? I don't understand you two, I never said I wouldn't help try and find the scum in this game, yet you two are constantly claiming I'm not interested in playing the game and helping. I'm 110% on board in finding scum, hell maybe I'll just vote one of you two, the constant nagging and whining is either my ex wife speaking through one of you or a big bag of mafia scum. There's a claim for ya both

[ryan]

What's with the vote switching? First me and than 20 minutes later you jump to Nightfall? Explain that reasoning for me

[ryan]

I've searched the net with no success, WHAT the hell does FOS mean?

[ryan]

I've searched the net with no success, WHAT the hell does FOS mean?

"Finger of Suspicion", it is a term used to claim that you suspect a player, but are not voting for them. check the wiki for more info.

GOOD lord, thank you much. Sometimes I think this forum gets WAY into using freaking terms instead of just saying, "I think it could be you but I'm not sure" I mean YIKES, just say it already

[ryan]

Good explanation,

unvote vote: Patrick

, thank you for it; ryan, if I keep trolling about you not contributing even when you are,

will you slip up and

reveal yourself as scum?

Well since I'm not scum I'm not sure what I'd "slip up and reveal?" Why are you trolling instead of helping us find the mafia?

[ryan]

unvote vote: ryan

,

do you consider the two

to be mutually exclusive?

Why do you answer a question with a question? I'm just looking for a simple answer

[ryan]

LISTEN. I asked why are you trolling and not helping us find the mafia? It was a simple question that could have been answered "I am helping you find the mafia" but obviously that was too difficult to understand?

[ryan]

Trolling in my experience isn't a good town method as you put the other town players on edge with lack of posting. Be up front with what you are doing from the begining and everyone feels better about ya (Is that answer enough for ya?)

As for you Sarcastro, you are nothing more than a punk. You've had a problem with me the entire game so do the rest of us a favor and get over yourself. It would be helpful to the ones of us trying to have some fun and play the G A M E (thought I should spell that slowly for ya)

[ryan]

Good it's over with than.

[ryan]

Guardian, what have you done to show us you are a townie? You've admitted to trolling (which can be seen as scummish) I'd like to hear what you've done that is pro townie. I've got a few ideas on a change on my vote but I'd like to hear from you first.

[ryan]

What don't you understand about the line? I was asked my opinion on "trolling" I gave it, seems fairly simple.

[ryan]

Trolling in my experience isn't a good town method as you put the other town players on edge with lack of posting.

It's the "lack of posting" part that is throwing me off. The troller obviously has no lack of posting, or he wouldn't be trolling. Pro-town players shouldn't be lurking, and shouldn't be put on edge by posting, because they have nothing to hide.

I'll agree to an extent. When people troll it isn't 100% certain they are mafia or town. I've been in enough games where trollers end up not having anything to say, or overanalyzing things too much and instead of posting thoughts they don't and end up getting lynched. Just my 2 cents

[ryan]

English would be just fine with me thanks

[ryan]

Trolling=lurking

[ryan]

Interesting, I always thought the term you are looking for was called cutting. (being agressive and just pissing people off to get reactions)

[ryan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28internet%29

there you go. defininition of trolling. I thought it was something completely different, so I'm glad I looked it up .

I'm still leaning towards vanDamien being scum over ryan. It's possible they are both scum too.

I'd also like to clear up post 218... what exactly do you mean, ryan? Were you under the impression trolling meant lurking in that post?

I always thought trolling, cutting and lurking were three similar but different things, guess I learned some new terms today

[ryan]

Interesting post there because as of post #219 you had no problems with my posts or content (in fact you said that votes on me were puzzling to you) but now all of a sudden I'm being put into question? Explain your reasoning there.

[ryan]

I would tend to say the same about you now as well. I find it very suspicious how 14 posts later you can call me "not safe" but earlier have no problem with me. Sounds like maybe your cohorts got to ya and told you to switch a vote.

[ryan]

Unvote/Vote Miztef

Just found it too suspicious that in one post (#219) he called me non scummy and than 10 posts later he says I'm most likely scum. Since I know I'm not scum, I find that to be posted because somebody on his mafia team thought it would be a good idea to get rid of me.

As for you Sarcastro, you seem to be the one trying to get a bandwagon started on me, so I'll keep my eye on your scummy ass and not find one problem switching my vote to you because I feel you and Mitzef are in together and doing a darn fine job of starting bandwagons on the rest of us townies.

[ryan]

And as I was re-reading the thread Miztef comes after me right after Sarcastro throws a bandwagon vote my way, proving that both of these two are definetly in together looking to lynch the townies and keep their mafia ways going

[ryan]

Ya just stated you didn't think I was scummy but now you do and all of sudden after Sarcastro posts that I'm scummy you stuck up earlier and said I wasn't and now all of a sudden you've jumped on the bandwagon, so tell me I suck or whatever you choose.

[ryan]

I made the statement that is looked fishy with both of you suddenly jumping on me. Nothing more nothing less

[ryan]

Lawrencelot: In post 263 you say you are not happy with a vote for me UNLESS I was close to being lynched? Can you explain that reasoning?

[ryan]

Ryan > Can you tell us who you find scummy? More than one person?

Eteocles > Do you feel that Ryan is deserving of the votes he is getting?

I've said for awhile now that Miztef and Sarcastro seem like scum to me.

[ryan]

For the people arguing for Phoebus being guilty, I'm starting to see what you are saying and I'll post my summary about this later on this afternoon or tomorrow. I still have my top 2 votes to Miztef and Sarcastro BUT the Phoebus argument is compelling

[ryan]

Simenon=lots of notes attempting to incriminate others. Nice way to start a game and begin throwing around suspicious things quite quickly.

[ryan]

I read your notes Simenon and all I saw was you throwing about accusations at people and taking suspicion off of you, nice ploy actually.

[ryan]

Nah, I'd prefer if every single post that I posted you didn't jump back with your negative predictable response, but that won't happen now will it?

[ryan]

Ryan, any thoughts on Phoebus?

I thought the little "tiff" with Patrick was done to throw suspicion away and make Patrick look like scum (which I do not believe at this time) As for me not "doing enough pro town" or "acting scummy" keep your votes on me, hell

lynch me if you choose

but after I go down and Miztef and Sarcastro are the ones who led the lynch you'll know who you can go after next. It's very interesting how both post within minutes of eachother and both usually back eachother's claims but whatever I'll play the game as long as my fellow townies allow me I guess

[ryan]

Simenon: Read post 292

[ryan]

I'm not gonna sit here and constantly defend the fact that I am pro town and have been since the start of this game. There are three people who seem to have a problem with me and how I play and therefore instead of going after the scum in this game they are wasting their time on a townie.

[ryan]

Gah, fuck this. It's way too obnoxious to have to put up with this awful "restriction".

Guardian got a role which he found boring, and decided to make a restriction out of it. And he told me to follow by that restriction.

Now, generally, I always agree to do what the replacee tells me, as long as I'm not ruining the game. But I can't legitamitely play this game with this.

So, I apologize for giving up this soon Guardian, and wagon me at will. I fall the victum of a really, really bored townie (and, for some reason, the mod kinda confirmed). Watch the oppurtunistic scum.

Bah

Well that was quick to throw in the towel.

[ryan]

Ryan, you are being expectionally scummy, that's why I'm voting you.

Because I'm trying to defend being a pro town player? Look back at the posts Miztef and even you'll see (somebody who think's I'm guilty and scummy) that one person has led an onslaught on any point I've tried to make or any question I've tried to ask, Sarcastro has led the one man mob and without saying "I am scum" I've done nothing backhanded or remotely scummy to lynch any other member in this game. I've stated opinions and made observations and I'll continue to do it for as long as I'm permitted

[ryan]

I appreciate your "pro town suggestion" Miztef

[ryan]

For once we agree Sarcastro, Simenon's claim that his restriction was fake is a little strange but I've been busy trying to answer your claims and since my posts aren't answering your questions I'll just throw a......

FoS at Simenon

for the "fake restriction" And see if anything else that he has posted puts me any closer to placing a vote on the "newbie"

[ryan]

I never find a reason to sit and defend myself constantly about being pro town as I don't think it's productive to sit and page after page go over and over my stance when it's not doing anything to find a mafia member. I haven't done anything scummish except get into a few arguments with a jackass that I let poke and prod at me till I lashed out back. I've been studying posts, re-reading the thread and tryin to get my top suspects in order all while trying to prove my innocence to people who could very easily be mafia looking to see if I have a power role. You guys can lynch me if you choose but all you're doing is putting yourselves at 2 dead townies after Day 1.

[ryan]

BTW: Simenon, I didn't mean you were a newb to playing just a newb to this current game

[ryan]

I never find a reason to sit and defend myself constantly about being pro town as I don't think it's productive to sit and page after page go over and over my stance when it's not doing anything to find a mafia member. I haven't done anything scummish except get into a few arguments with a jackass that I let poke and prod at me till I lashed out back. I've been studying posts, re-reading the thread and tryin to get my top suspects in order all while trying to prove my innocence to people who could very easily be mafia looking to see if I have a power role. You guys can lynch me if you choose but all you're doing is putting yourselves at 2 dead townies after Day 1.

It's not catching you a mafia player, but it helps

us

evaluate whether you are one or not.

Same thing actually as you can get a mafia member to make a mistake in something he or she has posted that can be used against them as well. I made the mistake of arguing with somebody in a thread and that wasn't very "pro town" but as I've said before that doesn't mean I'm scum. I made a mistake in "arguing" if you think that means I'm mafia, than vote me, but as I said when you are down 2 townies after one day than the true mafia will have already won

[ryan]

Welcome back

[ryan]

What part of Day 1 isn't guessing Miztef? Nobody has any solid evidence on anyone, heck you're guessing that I'm scummy but taking things I've said and thinking that it's for "sure" scummy. No gurantees on Day 1 and you know it.

[ryan]

I'm still confused on who a player can admit a "post restriction" and not have any fingers pointing his way. I still consider that a mistake that it was admitted but apparently I am in the minority on that. I've at least been consistent with my claims for Miztef and Sarcastro to be scum and given my reasons for both, which you can agree or disagree with but those are what I've seen

[ryan]

Revealing could be done to throw off the rest of us as well

[ryan]

[quote="EmpTyger"]ryan:
I think Simenon is suspicious ad rem postrestrictionem. But I find you much more suspicious. When I find suspicious activity I want it addressed, not ignored.

Vote: ryan.

I've addressed my "so called suspicious behavior" I'm not sure how many more times I have to show my innocence

[ryan]

Please re-check your vote count as you have me voting for myself

Modedit: Fixed, the coding in 335 made it appear as if you self-voted.

[ryan]

Post 335 looks to be what is confused, that was me quoting another player who had voted me but for some reason the quote didn't come out right, my vote remains for Miztef (Post 240)

[ryan]

Nope it's your opinion and I won't butcher you on it. I had the same suspicions on Guardian when he played as well, it just seemed strange to admit a restriction by a new player when he attempted to continue with it and than all of a sudden POOF admitted and that is what raised my level of suspicion

[ryan]

I haven't ever said I'm not new to the game and sure my logic is different from the typical player but what I've done to get 4 votes on me already is still surprising to me, guess I'll have to "prove myself" quickly eh?

[ryan]

It does make you wonder when two people constantly agree with eachother

[ryan]

Yes, I planned for the excuse. I planned for it as soon as I replaced. I knew, eventually, it would have to come out in the open that I didn't have a restriction. The only other option was to say that I lost it during the game events, but that would make me utterly useless (yes, that restriction makes my posts utterly useless), and I really didn't want that to happen. Before I replaced, I consulted guardian on irc, who told me I could use that defense if I desired (or if it was impossible to be a good townie).

So yes, I had that excuse in my mind, and even that post in my mind, but I was determined at first to play the restriction. Once it became hard to, and I realized Patrick's "if you can do that, it's not much of a restriction" post was being regarded as valid, I posted my response.

I felt a full explanation was necessary. I was not going to post "welp, I'm done with this restriction, but I'm sure guardian had his reasons for using it". Guardian informed me that he used it because he was bored (before I actually replaced), so that's what I had in mind.

Also, I'm not convinced the ryan wagon isn't driven by scum. I'll keep my vote on Eteocles for now.

I think I can buy that for your explanation

[ryan]

I'll agree with ya, lurkers are NOT helping this game along at all. Hopefully a few nudges will get them back on track.

[ryan]

Lurking in plain sight? Are you that big of an idiot? I've stuck firm with my Miztef vote and I've always had a vote on people I thought were scum. I realize that you want me "out of the way" but being so painfully honest doesn't make you look any less guilty, which I believe you to be.

[ryan]

I still think Miztef is scum and you are as well. I find both of you guilty and have no problem keeping my vote on Miztef. Why are you so worried about my votes anyway Sarcastro? I've played pro-town the entire time while you have been worried about every single post/vote I've done, quit scting scummy and be apart of the solution NOT the problem!

[ryan]

Well than VD if that's your reasoning that Sacrastro and Miztef are townies than you have no other reason NOT to vote me. I've claimed townie from the beginning and after you lynch me you can point a finger squarely at Miztef and Sarcastro and finally start believing me. Those two along with one more (possibly EmpTyger) are your sucm, you can bank on it

[ryan]

Since it looks like the bandwagon is on me to be lynched I’ll put the quotes that have me suspicious of Mitzef/Sarcastro

First post! (I think)

Are you going to reveal our character names? Or is that for when we die only?

Anyway, random

vote: Lawrencelot

(who, coincendiently, is modding a game I am in)

That is all.

Asking about character names already? In the 6th post???

Everyone's already beating on me. This is faster then normal.

(none of which have been truly random )

Day #1 a post after Sarcastro votes him. Already a way for these two to distance themselves

Confirm Vote: Miztef

I just noticed that you're from Ontario. Ergo, you're probably a Leafs fan. Die scum die.

Post #17. Why drop the “confirm” in there? Your first vote shouldn’t have been considered a firm one? I’m not sure why it’s necessary for you two to blatantly distance eachother so early in this game.

Unvote, Vote: Guardian

I don't like speculating too much about which roles are scum and which are town, but I think that anybody with a basic knowledge of history knows who would most likely be scum in a game about Caesar's assassination.

You seem to have no problem speculating later on everyone including yours truly.

I do have a pro-town power role

, and due to my ignornace I thought everyone had gotten a character name.

Says he has a pro town power role yet has been jumping around quite a bit with votes. Wouldn’t a pro town player try and find a scum without committing to anyone? Miztef spends the first 3 to 4 pages trying to explain his blatant mistake of asking about character names instead of just saying “I made a mistake”

If more people believe it valuble for me to say my role name, I will.

Well since you’ve told everyone you are pro town with a power role whats it hurting for you to claim? (since you basically already did) Obviously that isn’t going to help the scum because you already admitted to being pro-town, so they know who you are already just not what role (since than it hasn’t been brought up by Miztef again, which I find very scummy as I think he lied about his role)

Post 96 tries and start a little debate on Phoebus/Guardian which since nobody but those two was commenting in my mind was done to throw suspicion their way and get the heat off of him and than admits to starting a Phoebus bandwagon in post 103.

Sarcastro gets on me for not “contributing” in post 139 and than calls me scummy for not doing anything. I had contributed and wasn’t ready to drop a vote on somebody that I wasn’t 100% sure of. Why he felt the need to call me out is another of his scum tactics to stir up something on another player.

Post 160 Miztef calls Sarcastro and myself pro townies having a disagreement and while I know I’m a townie why would Miztef step into this discussion when it didn’t have anything to do with him. Those posts (and others I didn’t post) had me vault Miztef to the top of my list and putting Sarcastro at #2. So feel free to pick my theories apart all you want but they are MY theories.

Sarcastro and Miztef than both drop votes on me within 4 posts of eachother for different reasons. Please feel free to read back and see if they are justified in your minds with post 235 and post 239. They have stayed there ever since and while I won’t disagree that I have been a little hot headed with my arguments with Sacrastro I definetly have not been the biggest scum in this game.

[ryan]

Q: Asking about character names already? In the 6th post???
A: As you've stated already, I made a mistake there. This is my first theme game on this site, intially, I assumed we got to know everyone's rolename to add to the flavor of the game. I did not know they were revealed after death.

I posted that because I thought the mod made a mistake

.

Your PM wasn't working?

[ryan]

Sorry EmpTyger, I never saw that you asked me that question, I guess you have your answer now though

[ryan]

Illumnia: Post 367 was my explanation on both partners in crime

[ryan]

WHAT else do you want to know Illumina? What exactly are you prying for here?

[ryan]

Actually Simenon, we have quite a few people who have suddenly become pretty quiet in this thread.

[ryan]

[quote="VanDamien"]I am not persuaded that ryan's actions are more newbie than scum. True, it could be either, but my instinct says probably scum, and so my vote remains. The recent posts haven't really changed my thoughts, either.

Ryan, how do you feel about name and/or role claiming?[/

quote]

I've played enough games where it's 50/50 on people that claim being legit so I'm not really in favor of them I guess. I'd rather base my votes on people who I think are scummy rather than have somebody tell me "oh I'm a cop you shouldn't lynch me" and than find out later they lied. People who claim usually are doing it as a last ditch effort to save their own butts

[ryan]

I have regular access again, for the next few weeks at least. Though people seem to be lying low; when I get the chance I want to check who is contributing less than debet.


ryan:

Vote: ryan

. If you’re trying to convince me that you’re innocent, you’re doing the wrong thing by repeatedly ignoring my questions. I’m not making idle conversation. I’m looking for a simple answer:

<snip>

Also how is what Simenon did in [278] different from what Nightfall did in [203] or I did in [247

]?

Also, how much experience with mafia do you have? Answer this as specifically as you can, si potes.


VD:
I’m a little interested in your reaction to ryan’s [395].


Illumina:
Phoebus versus Simenon: Who to you is more suspicious?

Seriously you are starting to piss me off. Those threads had nothing in it noteworthy or for me to comment on. Simenon in post 278 recaps the first few pages. EmpTyger in 203 also with an analysis on some of the players. Patrick in 207 asks for more info on Eteocles and VanDamien. What exactly is your question? You want to talk scummy, why ask a question that isn't answerable? What are you angling for?

[ryan]

I have played mafia on other sites for a year now. Simenon went after people early in the game while the other two made some opinions on at least some facts. I haven't ignored your posts but you are angling to target me and seperate me from the group and it's getting annoying. I am as pro town as they come but by taking me out on Day 1 I will be unable to help the rest of the townies for day 2. And speaking of not being active, look in the mirror my friend, I haven't seen anything more than attacks on me for the past 3 pages outta you my friend.

[ryan]

Sacastro's logic has been quite in line with mine, and therefore,

I can't really find him scummy without being hypocritical at this time

.

Wouldn't want to rat out your fellow scum now would ya? When the dust settles you are our scum, I have no doubt.

[ryan]

Simenon: 3. The fake PR made sure everybody has an opinion about him, so this 5 means something else than other fives in this post. I'm not sure if he lied about Guardian's weird plan,

but I don't think he's a townie

.

I wouldn't vote him though

, because his behaviour isn't scummy at all.
.

Did I read this correctly? You don't think he's town BUT you wouldn't vote him? If you don't think he's town wouldn't you vote him than as scum?

FoS at Lawrencelot

[ryan]

I have played mafia on other sites for a year now.

I'm curious, why do others keep trying to defend ryan with a newbie scum vs. newbie town defense, when he himself has disclaimed being a newbie whatsoever?

And a question for you VD, why do you appear out of nowhere after not posting for awhile and than attack the first person you see?

[ryan]

@ ryan - That wasn't an attack on you, but given your play so far, I'm unsurpried you took it as such. That was referring to statements such as these, after you claim to not be new at this:

At this point, I'm torn on Ryan. I can see evidence for newbie town and newbie scum, so I'm 50-50 on him.

My gut feeling is he is not noobscum though.

And all I'm saying is you appear after no comments whenever I'm talked about, interesting

[ryan]

VanDamien raises a good point. I can't say it drastically changes my opinion, though, since the way other sites play mafia can differ vastly to the way its played here. I'd played mafia before this site, but promptly got lynched as town day 1 in my first game here. This site has its own learning curve, I think.

Ryan

: Just because someone raised a point about you doesn't mean they're "attacking" you. It's normal behavior for people to raise such points, it doesn't mean they're being antagonistic.

Could I convince you to be a little more easy-going?

Absolutely. I guess I just find it interesting that VD comes out of hiding only when I post, look back and you will see the trend I'm talking about

[ryan]

Are you freaking kidding me EmpTyger? What have you asked that I haven't answered? You are turning this game into a damn joke and I'm getting sick of it. You make it non worth even opening up this thread anymore.

[ryan]

I have asked the mod to be replaced

. To those of you who remembered this was a game it was fun playing with you and I'm sure I'll see you around in future games. To those of you who were just being an asshole, piss off.