Mini 380: Artifacts- Game over

[Nai]

I've been wary of him. He hasn't acted like someone with a vig ability, and I don't remember anyone claiming vig that would pass it on to him. And yes, I actually think he might try to pull that.

[Coron]

I started with the artifact that allowed me to kill Kelly Chen, it was a one shot ever artifact.

If you want more details on the artifact you can ask.

[Nai]

Name, flavor, why you didn't say anything before you just decided to kill her...

[Coron]

I'm just posting between my classes real quick right now, so I'll tell you that it would only kill her if she was scum, any other explanations nessisary will be for later.

[Zindaras]

Why did you attempt to kill her? I don't remember you saying she was your main target.

This has raised my opinion of Coron, by the way. I am unsure what to think about the mass amount of deaths. I don't know what to make of that third kill. We already have a dead SK...

[Apeiron]

The third kill would best be explained through the one-time Vig shot thing.

[Zindaras]

No, that's the second kill. That's Coron's one-shot thing.

[ShadowLurker]

Shadowlurker - What do you mean by "tried to pass it on"? Did you get it back, or is it lost as well?

Just acknowledging that this has been noted.

I've been wary of him. He hasn't acted like someone with a vig ability, and I don't remember anyone claiming vig that would pass it on to him. And yes, I actually think he might try to pull that.

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Nai is at the top of my suspicion list by far

[Coron]

Why did you attempt to kill her? I don't remember you saying she was your main target.

Ok, I will try to fully explain now. I started with The Feather of Pegamel.
It summons a flying camel that shoots lasers out it's ass to pass judgement on the person that it targets. The night after I target the person they will die if they are scum.

I figured that I was already pretty sure Nai was scum and that we should be able to lynch Nai, and I found it more likely that we would lynch Nai day 2 making the ability essentially worthless, so I found a target that was scummy but not super scummy to target, that I felt would provide information as well as a potential scum deaths.

Note: if this were just a vig there is no doubt I would have targeted Nai night 1.

[Apeiron]

No, that's the second kill. That's Coron's one-shot thing.

Lol, yes, if you number them of course. What I meant was: the fact that we have three kills this night, is best explained through a Vig thing.

I hope that clears it up

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So I'm wondering if ShadowLurker got an answer to his question. You've already said you investigated me. In case you got it back, with an answer, you might as well prove my innocence.

[Coron]

Rather Night 2 right after day 1, whatever.

[Norinel]

*bump*

[Coron]

I agree with norinel, we need more postings.

[Nai]

Why did you attempt to kill her? I don't remember you saying she was your main target.

Ok, I will try to fully explain now. I started with The Feather of Pegamel.
It summons a flying camel that shoots lasers out it's ass to pass judgement on the person that it targets. The night after I target the person they will die if they are scum.

I figured that I was already pretty sure Nai was scum and that we should be able to lynch Nai, and I found it more likely that we would lynch Nai day 2 making the ability essentially worthless, so I found a target that was scummy but not super scummy to target, that I felt would provide information as well as a potential scum deaths.

Note: if this were just a vig there is no doubt I would have targeted Nai night 1.

I find this amusing. It basically says "I don't want to use the ability that kills ONLY SCUM on Nai, but if I had an ability that would kill EVERYONE, I would do use it on Nai."

You SHOULD have used it on me. There are only two results:

One: I'm scum, I die, the town has one less scum to deal with.

Two: I don't die, I'm cleared, and you just gave the town a confirmed townie.

I find it amusing that you didn't do it. The second would have happened, and we'd be much better off right now.

[Coron]

I find this amusing. It basically says "I don't want to use the ability that kills ONLY SCUM on Nai, but if I had an ability that would kill EVERYONE, I would do use it on Nai."

is there any way this doesn't make sense? Because this is exactly my thinking.

You SHOULD have used it on me. There are only two results:

One: I'm scum, I die, the town has one less scum to deal with.

Two: I don't die, I'm cleared, and you just gave the town a confirmed townie.

I find it amusing that you didn't do it. The second would have happened, and we'd be much better off right now.

There are 3 options.

One: read your one.

Two: read your two.

Three: you die before the ability goes off.

I had a feeling Kelly was scum, but I didn't feel like it was our best lynch for the next day, I tried to avoid who I felt was the best lynch for the next day, so A) I wouldn't have to avoid voting them and B) so they are less likely to die before the ability goes off from lynching and other viggings.

[Nai]

... So to reiterate, you didn't want to use the ability on me that could confirm me, you'd rather wait until the town has to waste a lynch on me? Kelly Chen wasn't an issue yet, so you could have let someone else target her, or something. But you want to leave an unconfirmed, in either direction, player to be LYNCHED, which ALWAYS ends in a kill?

[Apeiron]

is there any way this doesn't make sense? Because this is exactly my thinking.

To me it quite obviously doesn't make sense whatsoever.

Vote: Coron

[Coron]

... So to reiterate, you didn't want to use the ability on me that could confirm me, you'd rather wait until the town has to waste a lynch on me? Kelly Chen wasn't an issue yet, so you could have let someone else target her, or something. But you want to leave an unconfirmed, in either direction, player to be LYNCHED, which ALWAYS ends in a kill?

Waste a lynch=no.

Even ignoring the day delay which could make the ability useless...

Think of it this way
Situation A:
Lynch Nai 98%scum
Target Kelly 60% scum
Situation B:
Lynch Kelly 60% scum
Target Nai 98%scim
The only difference between the two plans is the % chance of ending up with a confirmed player instead of a dead town. With Situation A it is 40%, with B it is 2%

Of course, this statistical thing has to be balanced with the chance of not being able to convince people to lynch Nai, I personally thought there was a pretty decent case that Nai was scum.

Also, there is the chance the person would get lynched to take into account, and a couple more other things, but from a rough estimation in my mind it seemed better to target kelly than Nai.

[Coron]

is there any way this doesn't make sense? Because this is exactly my thinking.

To me it quite obviously doesn't make sense whatsoever.

Vote: Coron

...So you think I'm scum who did a major frickin gambit then?

It's a possibility I suppose, but I want you to make this clear.

[Apeiron]

Yes. I think that you would argue that claiming this kill out of the blue doesn't make sense if you were scum, because then you would be silent. Claiming the kill is much more Vig-like.

However, you said that you wouldn't use a scum-only-kill artifact on Nai, yet you would use a kill-all. Those seem very strong words to incriminate someone, AFTER you've had the chance to nightkill him. Makes no sense to me. I think you're indeed taking a major risk here with your Vig-kill-claim, yet pointing fingers that badly after you didn't use the option to be sure about that person seems too strange to me.

[Coron]

So let's make this perfectly clear, you think I'm mafia and used my ability to kill one of my partners?

Or do you think I'm lying about having the kill?

[Nai]

Those numbers are completely made up, as far as I can tell. They're also numbers biased in your view that I'm scum. Yes, town wasting a lynch is bad. But if you were sure enough that Kelly Chen was scum that you'd waste your artifact TESTING it, you could have done the same for me. What ends up happening is that we have one scum dead, no idea about YOUR alignment, and no confirmed townies, as opposed to one confirmed townie, a guess that you are probably town for checking, and a good lynch for today.

[Coron]

Those numbers are completely made up, as far as I can tell. They're also numbers biased in your view that I'm scum.

... if I don't act based on who I think is scum, how should I act? P.S. Yes, the numbers are made up, they're just sample numbers, they are not meant to indicate really anything, they're just numbers

Yes, town wasting a lynch is bad. But if you were sure enough that Kelly Chen was scum that you'd waste your artifact TESTING it, you could have done the same for me.

I felt that I should target Kelly and we should lynch you due to what I figured the odds were that each of you were scum, see previous arguement

What ends up happening is that we have one scum dead,

no idea about YOUR alignment

, and no confirmed townies, as opposed to one confirmed townie, a guess that you are probably town for checking, and a good lynch for today.

... You seriously think I'm scum that killed my partner then? oooohkay.

1) your scenario is based around the assumption that you are town one I am not willing to make.
2) are you telling me you'd find it MORE confirming that I had targeted and confirmed you than me having killed a scum. I'm sorry but this doesn't make much sense to me.
3)I don't know exactly what you mean by "and a good lynch for today"

[Apeiron]

This isn't an open set up right? So why can't you be an activated Serial Killer, or whatever? To me your explanation just doesn't make sense, you seem scummy.

[Coron]

So you think we have a 2nd serial killer?