<Mini 435> Julius Caesar Mafia, Player Abandoned

[ryan]

Agreed Patrick. Most times (unless somebody makes a HUGE mistake) they wouldn't draw that much attention to them. Now did he make a mistake? That is the question

[Patrick]

Phoebus - The idea is to lynch scum, not annoying people. That's not a matter of opinion, it's just you voting a guy for bad reasons. It also happened to be a decent sized wagon at the time.

[Patrick]

I would also like to add that we do have vanilla townies in this game, since we have a sample of the townie PM written by the mod. I have this feeling it wasn't there before... anyone else remember whether it was or not? If it wasn't, I'd say Lawrencealot is probably legit.

[Guardian]

I think it would be

too huge of a gambit

for

unvote vote: Lawrencelot

to claim that he doesn't have a role name without knowing that this is for sure the condition for vanilla townies;

FOS: Phoebus

because he is pushing for lynching me so hard.

[Phoebus]

Don't hate me

[Miztef]

Don't hate me

I don't hate you, I just want to lynch you . Don't take it personally.

[Phoebus]

But...but...it's hard.

How can I not take it personally when you're screaming for my blood?!

And I was talking to Guardiankitty anyway. So you can buzz off.

[Lawrencelot]

I would also like to add that we do have vanilla townies in this game, since we have a sample of the townie PM written by the mod. I have this feeling it wasn't there before... anyone else remember whether it was or not? If it wasn't, I'd say Lawrencealot is probably legit.

????
Where did you see this pm-example? I can't find it.

Ah, I found it, under the last rule. I don't know if it was already there or not, it might be. I thought after the 50% powerrole thing, the post was over, but I'm not sure. But if I made it up, how would I know that the XXXX wasn't the role name? Let's keep this aside though, not for my protection but I think finding information about townies would help neither mafia nor town.

Guardian, why are you not keeping your vote on phoebus, or are you not allowed to unvote and vote for the same player, which you did in the beginning of the game.

[Miztef]

I would also like to add that we do have vanilla townies in this game, since we have a sample of the townie PM written by the mod. I have this feeling it wasn't there before... anyone else remember whether it was or not? If it wasn't, I'd say Lawrencealot is probably legit.

????
Where did you see this pm-example? I can't find it.

Ah, I found it, under the last rule. I don't know if it was already there or not, it might be. I thought after the 50% powerrole thing, the post was over, but I'm not sure. But if I made it up, how would I know that the XXXX wasn't the role name? Let's keep this aside though, not for my protection but I think finding information about townies would help neither mafia nor town.

Guardian, why are you not keeping your vote on phoebus, or are you not allowed to unvote and vote for the same player, which you did in the beginning of the game.

it seems that part of guardian's restriction is that whenever he wishes to state a name, he must vote it, or something similar. He did FOS phoebus though, which means his genuine vote is for phoebus atm.

[Illumina]

Phoebus: I don't like your behavior because it doesn't seem pro-town. Thats why my vote is on you currently.

To contrast, you want to lynch Guardian because his restriction is annoying.

(On a completely unrelated note, the amount of activity in this game is refreshing. I can come back in an hour and have something new to respond to =P)

More later.

[Guardian]

unvote vote: Lawrencelot

, it is easy to just vote for someone when referencing them; as Miztef noted,

only pay attention to who

I

FOS

.

[Eteocles]

I am really tempted to vote for Phoebus, you are acting really stupid and doing a loussy job at defending yourself. But as I said before, I want an update about Emp and Nightfall.

FoS: Phoebus

... But likely to be upgraded to a vote later.

[Guardian]

I feel that

unvote vote Phoebus

is more likely to be scum than other players in the game, but let us consider carefully whether he is

being scummy or just anti-town

- there is a difference.

[VanDamien]

There is a difference, true, but both hurt us in the long run.

[Sarcastro]

Ryan and Sarcastro's little disagreement doesn't seem scummy to me. Just a quirky misunderstanding. Ryan does not want to lynch anyone while people are not participating and sacastro took it as ryan not wanting to contribute.

No, it wasn't a misunderstanding. I know exactly what Ryan said, but I believe that his refusal to "lynch" (which is ridiculous, because nobody's even close to a lynch) is really just an excuse for not contributing. In particular, it looks like he's attempting to avoid commenting on Guardian and Phoebus. His wishy-washy comments ("Now did he make a mistake? That is the question") serve to reinforce this.

As for Phoebus, I find his initial comments about Guardian more scummy than his current admission that he wants to lynch Guardian because of his restriction. I certainly don't think such an opinion is very good play, but I don't honestly find it especially scummy. I still find Guardian and Ryan scummier than Phoebus.

[Guardian]

VanDamien, you are correct, but a town

unvote vote: Phoebus

could be

convinced into playing more pro-town

, while a scum Phoebus is a great lynch candidate.

[Eteocles]

There is a difference, true, but both hurt us in the long run.

I agree, an anti-town player can be just as bad most of the time.

[Phoebus]

Phoebus: I don't like your behavior because it doesn't seem pro-town. Thats why my vote is on you currently.

Contrast this with:

I don't like Guardian's behaviour because it does not seem pro town. That is why vote is on him currently.

Consider the situation from my perspective because I now know yours (and I suspect a fair few others support it)

It's a blatant restriction/requirement.
Yes. He could get a powerful bonus out of it.

There are 3 situations as I see it.
One was the one above.

Another is: Fake a ludicrous restriction and establish trust in the town's eyes because of the reason that:

scum could just not be hampered with such a restriction.

The statement is true to a certain extent where it can be used by scum to be established as an alibi and be used in exactly this same manner/effect.

Third scenario: Horrible restriction. Mediocre power/bonus.
Given the fact that all power roles have 50% chance of occurring at this time, that makes him annoying, as well as potentiall useless.

You can choose to call any or all of that WIFOM because that is how it is. I choose to look at all aspects of a situation and then with what seems best to

me

. You all have your opinions and you are expressing them. More power to you.


My whole demeanor throughout this charade has been one of transparency.
I am making no bones about being annoyed about the restriction.
I have had no problems retracting/acknowledging certain ill-supported assumptions I have made.


You are all free to call my play:
stupid
unhelpful
scummy
idiotic
and whatever other complimentary adjective you choose to use.

If you lynch me, none of that will change the fact that I have been straightforward the entire time. No hidden agendas, no hidden motives.
At this point in time, you have only my word for it.

However, if and when I die, please take a look, as my dying request?, at anyone and everyone who felt happy enough to push me over the edge of the cliff while failing to come up with convincing arguments against me. Arguments other than your behaviour is (choose one of the adjectives from above.)

Or people who did not bother looking beyond me since I was a convenient lynch.


I concede again that my persecution of Guardian is nothing more than a matter of convenience.
However,

• this day 1
  
• we have nothing better to go on
  
• the restriction is annoying
  
• it could potentially be fake
  
• it would be very annoying if the restriction carried on indefinitely.

For me, this is better to go on at this time than anything else.

As for getting on my case, you will always have my behaviour for reference in the future and please, I invite you to come ahead and highlight any discrepancies and contradictions you might find at a later time.
In case they concern people whose alignment proves to be other than what I thought it was, I shall do my best to explain my thought process.
As I have attempted here.

I am really tempted to vote for Phoebus, you are acting really stupid and doing a loussy job at defending yourself.

Defend myself against what?
Speaking my mind?
Being a louse? or being stupid? which?

I suspect the lousiness and/or stupidity might have to do more with my upbringing than anything else. I will ask my parents whether they wish to make any defense or excuses...

I feel that unvote vote Phoebus is more likely to be scum than other players in the game, but let us consider carefully whether he is being scummy or just anti-town - there is a difference.

After what seems like an eternity of declaring being clueless, it's heartening to see that you are capable of developing and expressing opinions. If for nothing else, than convenience's sake.

Though you gain an eyeroll for the second part of that sentence.
If you were expressly pro town, why would that make any difference to you?
Is it because you're anti - town and also on the lookout for someone scummy to go after at night?

Yes - that's a downright aspersion I'm casting on you.

but a town unvote vote: Phoebus could be convinced into playing more pro-town, while a scum Phoebus is a great lynch candidate.

I don't really even follow this sentence.


And again:

agree, an anti-town player can be just as bad most of the time.

What the hell?
Bad most of the time?
Bad all of the time if you're expressly pro town.
Other than potentially hitting scum, anti town players (which to me = SK primarily) are just another added hit for scum, whittling down numbers even faster than usual.

[Guardian]

By anti-town, I mean

a player with a townie

or pro-town role who, through their actions, is not contributing towards helping the town and may in fact be hurting it;

unvote vote: Phoebus

.

[Phoebus]

*All* actions of a pro town player are useful.
If you don't like what I'm doing now and decide to get rid of me, my thoughts, people's reactions will all form the basis on which to proceed in later days.

Did you even bother reading my post?

[Guardian]

I did, and your post

was based on a misinterpretation

of what I meant as anti-town; did you even bother reading my post,

unvote vote: Phoebus

?

[Phoebus]

Oh dear lord.

I even addressed your post.

What are you trying to achieve with this kind of unseeing hostility?

[Guardian]

unvote vote Phoebus

,

you are the one trying

to generate unseeing hostility, your entire long post was based on an incorrect understanding of what I meant as anti-town, and when I pointed this out you chastised me for it and claimed to have addressed the issue already.

[Phoebus]

Oh bloody hell.

No!


80% of my post was explaining my point of view based on Illumina's comment.



I gave you an eye roll for you comment in it and when you clarified your view, I gave my thoughts on it.

Do not misrepresent me.

[Phoebus]

Long post = Post 142.
Read the lead in quote/comment.

Addressing post = 144