Mini 380: Artifacts- Game over

[Coron]

Erm... Where, exactly, are you getting these numbers, exactly? Coron admitted all of his were made up. You're doing baseless calculations here.

They're sample numbers, they work as long as the one is greater than the other.

[Zindaras]

Erm... Where, exactly, are you getting these numbers, exactly? Coron admitted all of his were made up. You're doing baseless calculations here.

They're sample numbers, they work as long as the one is greater than the other.

Exactemundo.

[Nai]

To put it like Lemony Snicket:

"Sample here meaning totally made up and actually meaning nothing."

[Coron]

Read the second part, idiot.

[Zindaras]

I could've taken whatever numbers I felt like, as long as one of them was greater than the other, the end result remains the same thing, and if the numbers are equal, then the choice is a choice between two equals.

[Nai]

But they mean nothing. The numbers are biased, they aren't equivalent to anything, and they can prove absolutely anything. I could use the exact same numbers for you two and prove the exact same thing.

[Zindaras]

But they mean nothing. The numbers are biased, they aren't equivalent to anything, and they can prove absolutely anything. I could use the exact same numbers for you two and prove the exact same thing.

I find this amusing. It basically says "I don't want to use the ability that kills ONLY SCUM on Nai, but if I had an ability that would kill EVERYONE, I would do use it on Nai."

You SHOULD have used it on me. There are only two results:

One: I'm scum, I die, the town has one less scum to deal with.

Two: I don't die, I'm cleared, and you just gave the town a confirmed townie.

I find it amusing that you didn't do it. The second would have happened, and we'd be much better off right now.

The numbers prove that his decision was the correct one from his perspective.

[Nai]

But the numbers are MADE UP. They could prove ANYTHING from ANYONE'S perspective. Therefore, they are MEANINGLESS.

[Coron]

Does anyone except Nai not realize what's going on, because as far as I can tell Nai is A) scum, doesn't want to admit he's wrong or B) at least mildly retarded.

[Zindaras]

But the numbers are MADE UP. They could prove ANYTHING from ANYONE'S perspective. Therefore, they are MEANINGLESS.

The numbers are irrelevant. It's the foundation, that you have a bigger chance of being scum than Kelly, which is certainly true from Coron's perspective, that makes the Kelly kill the optimal move from Coron's perspective, which you said it wasn't. For you, the optimal move would be different yet again.

[Nai]

And that's where my issue lies. It's the optimal move for HIM, not necessarily for the town. The optimal move for the TOWN would be to have at least one confirmed townie in the game, giving you someone to base assumptions off. If I come up confirmed town, there's one less person for the town to have to worry about, and they can come up with scum faster. Right now, we have NO ONE confirmed. One person who did exactly what was asked of him, who used his artifact when the town is asked, is the one under the gun. There's something very wrong with this picture.

[Zindaras]

If he hadn't killed Kelly, we would've been in 7-player LyLo now. Your argument is simply an opinion. You may prefer a confirmed townie over a dead Mafiate, but others can disagree with you easily.

[Coron]

So you're saying I should have targeted someone I thought was town so we'd have a confirmed innocent? That certainly would not have been you.

[Nai]

No, that's not what I"m saying. I'm saying that you've been gunning for me as mafia pretty much the entire game. But you get a chance to take me out, and you don't take it. That's fishy to me.

[Coron]

No, that's not what I"m saying. I'm saying that you've been gunning for me as mafia pretty much the entire game.

But you get a chance to take me out

, and you don't take it. That's fishy to me.

So you admit to being scum,
I've already explained why it didn't make logical sense for me to take you out.

[Zindaras]

No, that's not what I"m saying. I'm saying that you've been gunning for me as mafia pretty much the entire game. But you get a chance to take me out, and you don't take it. That's fishy to me.

We've just gone through the numbers that prove that it's not fishy at all, because it is the correct move for him.

Also, looking at the death, couldn't that glass bottle have caused it? The glass bottle is empty, which implies that it was used. Maybe MaMa drank from the bottle and choked.

[Apeiron]

Unvote: Coron
Vote: Nai

Coron is making a whole lot more sense to me than Nai is, and I'm hoping that Nai slipped up in the "you had a chance to kill me" reference. If it was a scum-only-killing device, Nai just admitted to being scum. He may have made a mistake while being Town, but I think this kind of slip up is the best we're going to get.

[Norinel]

As I'll be posting in V/LA shortly, I might be gone for the next few days.

Vote Count:

Nai- 1 (Apeiron)

Not voting (5): Everyone else

4 to lynch

[Coron]

FoS: apeiron

for being too "easy" in a potential LyLo situation.

[ShadowLurker]

Vote: Apeiron

I am almost sure that he is scum with that switch and his repeated posts of just "I am not mafia I am not mafia" with no contribution whatsoever other than what seems to be prevalent at the time.

[Zindaras]

Where's GreenLiquid? Do we believe we're in LyLo? Should we mass claim?

I think we should answer those questions before going on a voting rampage.

I would, however, like to

FoS: Apeiron

.

[Nai]

I've already stated, REPEATEDLY, that the item would have no affect on me. That's the point of the entire argument. I was saying that Coron had the chance to use it on me, a person he's stated is scum the entire game, and didn't use it. I made no admissions, made no slip. Quoting that like that is taking it out of context, and it's fishy that Apeiron jumped on that. Anyone actually READING the thread would know what I was saying.

I'm in favor of a mass claim at this point. We're in LyLo, we need all the info we can get.

[Coron]

I was saying that Coron had the chance to use it on me, a person he's stated is scum the entire game, and didn't use it.

...and passing up that chance was the correct move.

Your point?

[Apeiron]

Someone needs to get us somewhere. I voted to get that effect. You can lynch me for it if you want, but you'll loose a Townie.

[Nai]

In other words, we're at Lynch or Lose, the person you voted for already claimed two days ago, and you decided to add a vote?