NY 174: Oldy Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[chamber]

Anyway, a ton of people are defending him incredibly hardcore

No they haven't been? Who other than VitR and weird Albert whims?

[Yosarian2]

CES is always mislynched.

If that's true, then the fact that he's been so hard to lynch this game looks even worse.

[chamber]

Unvote Vote OGML

[DrippingGoofball]

I think I just had a scumgasm.

VOTE: OGML

[Yosarian2]

Anyway, a ton of people are defending him incredibly hardcore

No they haven't been? Who other than VitR and weird Albert whims?

VitR, Albert, OGML:

I'm very anti CES lynch

You, of coursE:

CES's vote for undo was completely alignment neutral, I could have told you he would do that before he did.

And then there was this post, where CES's scum list was basically Seol+the 3 most townie-looking people in the game at the time, which was just bizzare:

You've misinterpreted both of those posts from CES if you think he was talking about scum reads in either.

I believe it was you who said that reading concise players was about reading them in context, not in isolation, did you do so when rereading CES?

A lot of other people are just flat out ignoring any case anyone makes against CES, not paying attention to it at all for some reason, and pushing alternate bandwagons for terrible reasons. The Sotty bandwagon earlier today was a good example of that.

[chamber]

I haven't been defending CES so much as I've been dismissing points against him that are just wrong. I'm unsure about his alignment, but I know him well enough to know that the things I called out as being alignment neutral were alignment neutral. Also as I said before, post 1572 was about you. I found you choosing to not read CES in context at odds with your previous claims, and thus scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote OGML

[OhGodMyLife]

*Yawn* Talk to me when more people than the ones I've already called scum and ABR are interested in voting for me.

[Save The Dragons]

Vote: CES

[mathcam]

Still happy with CES. Sorry, the "I know him well enough" is fine enough reason for you to hold your vote back (unless he flips scum, in which case it becomes a liability), but does nothing for me. If I wasn't going to blindly follow PJ's stance on Sotty, I'm certainly not going to dismiss my suspicions of CES.

I haven't found OGML particularly protown today, and he was in the top 3 from my partnerships algorithm. But to be honest, I'd feel bad killing him off this quickly. Idunno, I'd have to wrestle with it.

[chamber]

I haven't asked anyone to dismiss their reads of CES?

[OhGodMyLife]

To do as you suggest (include players on his wagon AFTER his bus comment) would be ridiculous.

Why? VitaminR was one of the first people to attack him. Seems arbitrary to only include people with their vote on at that moment in time.

DGB please respond

Would still like a response to this.

[DrippingGoofball]

To do as you suggest (include players on his wagon AFTER his bus comment) would be ridiculous.

Why? VitaminR was one of the first people to attack him. Seems arbitrary to only include people with their vote on at that moment in time.

DGB please respond

Would still like a response to this.

"I am town, look elsewhere"

[OhGodMyLife]

chamber does a lot of talking about he isn't defending the people he keeps voicing concern about votes for etc

[OhGodMyLife]

To do as you suggest (include players on his wagon AFTER his bus comment) would be ridiculous.

Why? VitaminR was one of the first people to attack him. Seems arbitrary to only include people with their vote on at that moment in time.

DGB please respond

Would still like a response to this.

"I am town, look elsewhere"

Really great answer

Dear rest of the town, remember in the future this exchange where DGB flat out refuses to justify her leaving VitR out of her "people who could have bussed LML" pool

[OhGodMyLife]

Especially if I get lynched today in which case fuck all of you for making me read this long and arduous game

[DrippingGoofball]

I already answered this question; not to mentioned that I explained it at the time that I did it. Should I have included possible earlier bus'ers? I thought it more likely that someone was on his wagon at the time of the slip.

And I'm town.

And you're not.

[OhGodMyLife]

Sorry DGB the earliest LML busser was actually you

[OhGodMyLife]

I thought it more likely that someone was on his wagon at the time of the slip.

Why are they mutually exclusive? If a busser was on his wagon at the time of the so called "slip" why does that mean earlier voters not on at that time are necessarily not bussers? I honestly don't get how you're drawing this conclusion.

[DrippingGoofball]

OGML you are wasting my time.

[OhGodMyLife]

OGML you are wasting my time.

Really? Really??

....

really?

If this kind of bullshit deflection slides by the town deserves to lose.

[OhGodMyLife]

I'm going to bed. The DGB wagon better form back up by the time I wake up.

[DrippingGoofball]

We're on page 105, you're stuck on bullshit page 3 reads, and your faked opinions are purely opportunistic. I don't argue with opportunistic scum. I vote them.

[petroleumjelly]

Both Albert B. Rampage and DrippingGoofball are spamming nonsense and should summarily be ignored. Practically all of their votes have been wrong and yet they are still trying to force the game into following them. They don't even bother to wipe the egg off their faces before doing so.

I would suggest lynching DrippingGoofball. VitaminR is also very likely scum -- he is continually looking like he is trying to justify helping mislynches, except his hand keeps getting caught in the hidden mousetraps. His "agony" (or whatever word he used) while voting for Sotty7 strikes me as completely fabricated and I think he just wanted to put his vote there and was going to do it, but he had to acknowledge (and dismiss) my read on Sotty7 to do so, hence the wording of his post. mathcam also looks worse. He failed to acknowledge the rather obvious flaw in his vote (i.e., he did not reassess Sotty7's potential partners after the wagon on her started, and this goes to show why that type of scumhunting is flawed this early in the game; such analysis also rewards players who have ever been in an argument with anybody or, really, ever been wagoned, because a player who has been wagoned is more likely to be seen as "not paired" with other players).

I have no read on Cogito Ergo Sum, and I would prefer to lynch players I actively think are scummy. I also do not have much of a read on OhGodMyLife.

[petroleumjelly]

The more I read the post the more it looks like it is written by scum:

Vote: Sotty

I've agonized about this a little in my head, but I think it's the best option. I still think her play with regard to LML looked bad and her votes have largely been easy ones.

I'm very intrigued by Sotty's last few posts, which have all focused on how there's nothing for her to argue against. There's no "The wagon is wrong because..." or "A better wagon is blah because..." She even goes so far as to call the wagon unfair. Whether or not this is true, this does paint to me a slight picture of scum bemoaning being caught for circumstances out of her control, annoyed that she played the game carefully enough to have nothing to actually be attacked for, and yet got caught away. I'm sure this is partly me trying to retroactively justify the wagon, but it sounds pretty reasonable.

I sort of had the same feeling. I also don't really like how she's using the fact that ABR called my case poor without coming out and calling it that herself. Seems a little disingenuous. If you think it's poor, say so. If you don't, don't use it in your defense.

As I mentioned above, the "agonized" language does not seem genuine to me at all.

The formatting of the post is also interesting because VitaminR immediately separates out his own "agonizing" language by quoting mathcam so that his post ends up with a different emphasis. Much like how VitaminR may have been using Glork as a shield early in the game, he is now using mathcam's reasoning as a shield. It seems whenever VitaminR is voting a Townsperson he has to cite somebody else's reasons, but when he was voting for LoudmouthLee it was all himself. This suggests he wants the credit when go "right" and wants to be "led astray" by others' thoughts when things go wrong.