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[xyzzy]

I don't really see much to comment on, to me nothing is really going down. I think Voting for me because I have computer problems is a little suspicious. Xdaamno is my top bet for scum.

Uhm... I realised I was voting for someone else, then looked at the possible candidates and chose one I'd like to hear the most from (Thus, a pressure vote). I try to keep my vote productive.

Pressure voting is almost completed unrelated to scum hunting.

This is a clever guise to conceal your true voting records. Mhm.

Drats; I've been completely figured out.

Yup, let's string him up!

PARTICIPATION, anyone?

What's that, an acronym?

Please Always Remember To Investigate Clues In People's Alibis To Inspire Other... Ni!

hmm... the Knights Who Say Ni...

I can't say I see what inhim did that's so scummy, though...

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Hey, let me just post this now just to post something at all... I'll try to finish up the pbpa's sometime this century.

The aforementioned "long version"

A papaya

1. RV: Mcstab
2. Jokes with xdaamno
3. Jokes with Nekka-Lucifer
12. Votes Nekka-Lucifer for "sucking [sic] at mafia"
14. Unvotes Nekka after being PMed by him
16. No idea who to vote for
21. Comes out against no-lynch
25. Votes McStab for lurking on purpose

Overall: A papaya doesn't give out a whole lot of information. He doesn't often comment upon the scumminess of other players. In most situations, I would find this pretty scummy, but his choices haven't been terribly damning. Not necessarily an auto-lynch, but someone to keep in mind for later days if he neglects to contribute further.

Fletcher

1. Votes Nekka-Lucifer for uncertain reasons
3. Unvotes Nekka-Lucifer for uncertain reasons
5. Votes Xdaamno for vote hopping
11. Indicates that he would be ok with a no-lynch, but prefers to lynch
12. A little wishy washy here. Gives a good argument that no-lynch would benefit the town if Nekka-Lucifer comes up scum, says that he thinks there's a 'good chance' of Nekka being scum, and then declines to vote no-lynch. This play looks like he's trying very hard not to stick his neck out.
14. Asks mlaker about his thoughts on the game.

Overall: Not the lynch for today. He posts a decent amount of content, and thus is not a great candidate for us to get rid of just yet. His waffling defense of no-lynch and suspicion of Nekka's scumminess puts up a red flag in my mind, but it's not enough to lynch today. If Nekka-Lucifer does happen to come up scum, I would definitely encourage the town to give Fletch another look.

Haschel Cedricson

2. Casts suspicion on Nekka for being scummy and/or new. Has a gut feeling about xdaamno hiding in plain sight.
3. Votes mlaker for basically joke reasons
6. Misstates the odds on lynching scum tonight. Might be bad math, and if Nekka is scum, could be a definite scumtell. Pretty inconsequential at the moment. Comes out against no-lynch. FOS's Yogurt for suggesting no-lynch and xyzzy for advocating not lynching every night. Votes Fletcher for trying to lead the town to believe that Nekka was scum. States that he believes Nekka was town.
10. FOS's McStab, not sure why yet.

Overall: Haschel's play is pretty unclear to me at the moment. I'd need to see more of him before I can make a call. I don't like his vote on mlaker and I definitely don't like his Fletch vote. It seems pretty contrived. He votes Fletch for making the assumption that Nekka was scum, which then makes one wonder if Haschel knows whether or not Nekka was town. Definitely a figure to look at.

Haut Boy/inHim

1. Votes xyzzy, random?
2. Votes Nekka for making a pretty dumb statement.
3. Calls Nekka on bad argument
---Becomes inHim---
1. Posts something so useful to me that I'll repost:

Nekka-Lucifer (5): (MidnightSun, Fletcher, IH, A Papaya, Haut Boy)

Also votes Haschel after first reading.
2. Quickly switched vote to xdaamno, following me.
4. Identifies xdaanmo, xyzzy, and mlaker as his top suspects.

Overall: I'm pretty sure this guy is town. I don't like the play of inHim as much as I did Haut Boy's.

IH

1. Votes Fletcher.
4. Votes Nekka for trying to make an intentional claim seem innocuous.
5. Votes Yogurt, not sure why
8. Votes papaya for pretty legit reasons

Overall: Not a whole lot yet. He has pretty decent reasons for voting papaya (and Nekka, though in hindsight I contradict myself). I need him to post more.

McStab

1. RV: Yogurt
2. Expresses amusement at Haschel's badlogic
3. Comes out against no-lynch.
4. I don't really like this post at all. A

FOS:McStab

for trying to say alot while saying nothing, and justifying his lurking.
5. Says he thinks Haschel is innocent, Yogurt is scummy, and that xdaamno can't be scummy because he's in the spotlight too much. I really, really don't like this reasoning.

Overall: I don't like McStab's play all that much. Saying a lot but not really saying anything is pretty scummy behavior. His reasoning clearing xdaamno was incredibly specious, leading me to think that if xdaamno comes up scum at some point, McStab might be on his team.

mlaker

1. Votes TCS, pure OMGUS.
3. Unvotes on 'a hunch'.
5. Comments on xdaamno as his top choice for scum, but neglects to vote him.

Overall: I'd like to see more content from mlaker. I'm a little suspicious of the fact that mlaker instantly voted me for an admittedly weak reason and he's not willing to do the same for xdaamno here.

FOS: mlaker

Nekka-Lucifer

- For completeness

1. Votes a papaya
3. Unnecessarily claims townie
8. Makes a "maybe when I'm mafia" statement, that makes me uncomfortable.
14 & 15. Points to A papaya as possible scum. This could go either way for me.

OVerall: I'm pretty sure Nekka was just bad town, but there is certainly a chance that he is scum. Therefore, in my estimation, we should ignore the possibilities of his alignment and focus on who is the best lynch

today

. We can vote based on his alignment when we actually know it.

The rest as I have time/motivation.

[A Papaya]

People are saying that we can vote No Lynch because this wasn't a normal D1.

That's wrong. I'm 90% sure that NL was town, that's why I unvoted him. Therefore, it's even more important to hit scum today.

If we miss scum today, the ration will be, after tonights NK:
7 Town
3 Scum
-----With an SK
5 Town
3 Scum
1 SK
-----Therefore, we need to lynch someone today.

Who? I would like everyone to come forward with whom they think is today's lynch, if No Lynch isn't a possibility. Right now, I'm pretty happy with my vote on McStab, pretty much for saying that D1 doesn't matter. That's really, really, anti-town.

[Xdaamno]

I'm 90% sure that NL was town

I thought you were saying he was scum before? I'm sure you said he was scum after he got modkilled at some point, so the circumstances are the same.

I'll have to re-read for that one.

[inHimshallibe]

I'm 90% sure that NL was town

I thought you were saying he was scum before? I'm sure you said he was scum after he got modkilled at some point, so the circumstances are the same.

I'll have to re-read for that one.

I didn't catch that on a quick review. He did say at one point that N-L as a townie could be just as bad as scum, so let's lynch him anyways, or something like that.

Bah, you're posting.

unvote; vote: mlaker

[A Papaya]

I'm 90% sure that NL was town

I thought you were saying he was scum before? I'm sure you said he was scum after he got modkilled at some point, so the circumstances are the same.

I'll have to re-read for that one.

No, I said that he was scummy early on but revised my thoughts when he PMed me. Then I thought he was just stupid.

[Xdaamno]

I'm 90% sure that NL was town

I thought you were saying he was scum before? I'm sure you said he was scum after he got modkilled at some point, so the circumstances are the same.

I'll have to re-read for that one.

No, I said that he was scummy early on but revised my thoughts when he PMed me. Then I thought he was just stupid.

...And town? You changed your opinion of him completely from mafia to town because he PMed you?

[A Papaya]

And Town.

Yes, just because he PMed me. Remember, everyone at first thought he was scummy for his playstyle. When he PMed me, I realized that his playstyle was just stupid, not scummy.

Also, I need to be replaced by sunday. Thanks.

[IH]

ok guys, I JUST got back from the beach. I'll be posting sometime tonight after I catchup.

[Thok]

Now hunting for a replacement for A Papaya. Once a replacement is found, I plan on setting a deadline for today.

Official vote count

McStab (2): (YogurtBandit, A Papaya)
mlaker (2):(Xdaamno, inHimshallibe)
A Papaya (1): (IH)
YogurtBandit (1): (xyzzy)
Fletcher (1): (Haschel Cedricson)
Xdaamno (0):
IH (0):
The Central Scrutinizer (0):
xyzzy (0):
Haschel Cedricson (0):
inHimshallibe (0):

Not Voting (4): (McStab, The Central Scrutinizer, mlaker, Fletcher)

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

[Thok]

schismatized replaces A Papaya, effective as soon as I get a PM to him.

I am setting a deadline of June 25 (about 10 days from now); this is retracible if discussion picks up significantly, but that day will be a month after the game started.

[schismatized]

hey all, im here to replace PAPS. gimme some time to read the thread.

unvote

[xyzzy]

'Ello, schis.

Who are you suspicious of, and why?

[xyzzy]

...*ahem*

Trying to avoid the question, I'd presume.

Unvote, Vote Schis

[schismatized]

...*ahem*

Trying to avoid the question, I'd presume.

Unvote, Vote Schis

im not trying to avoid yr question. with work and this holiday, its been hard to get the time to read this whole thread, it has 250+ posts. Ill have a detailed report on my thoughts so far later tonight.

[xyzzy]

You could have said that.

Saying nothing in response to a question is scummy.

[schismatized]

Its a little late, so i am not going to post on what i think of everyone, but i will give what i think about the players i believe to be scum or are scummy. First, I think mlaker is pretty scummy. it seems like he acknowledges that hes been lurking and hasnt really tried to help out the town at all. he could be scum, or is just lazy. I need more posts from him to vote for him but he could quite possibly recieve my vote if he stays inactive. The next person I believe to be scum ATM is TCS. Frankly, i dont like the way hes been playing and it really doesnt seem protown at all.

He's simply been very, very tentative about accusing anyone... that's my primary rationale.

So I changed my playstyle for this game.

I'd be a sucky player if I never did that.

That's a weak, weak excuse.

Lynch this guy please.

I dont know who he thinks he is giving orders but i dont like it. Also, while i am on the subject, i know some of your opinions may be affected by metagameness (sp?). i have not been part of this forum for long but i have noticed a lot of players treat the more "accomplished" members differently than others. I dont care about your games in the past or what you have done. So if TCS is a vet or something... it doesnt matter to me. a lot of older members around here act like "tough guys" or "hot shots" but i think that is baloney. just because youve been here a while, doesnt mean yr better then anyone else.
now that ive got that rant out of the way, is there any more specific questions any1 has for me?

oh and given my argument above, i will

vote: TCS

[Haschel Cedricson]

Alright, I know I haven't been particularly contributory lately. I'm blaming finals and a move back to my parent's house for the summer. Dial-up internet has replaced my precious high-speed, and I'm not making the transition well.

Anyhoo, I'm going to

unvote: Fletcher

, although I'm still going to be keeping an eye on him. I would like to see more contributions from him soon, though. We can't ALL be lurkers like McStab.

I will, however,

vote: xyzzy

. After a reread, I'm not enamored with his play so far, and I did already have a major FoS on him.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Its a little late, so i am not going to post on what i think of everyone, but i will give what i think about the players i believe to be scum or are scummy. First, I think mlaker is pretty scummy. it seems like he acknowledges that hes been lurking and hasnt really tried to help out the town at all. he could be scum, or is just lazy. I need more posts from him to vote for him but he could quite possibly recieve my vote if he stays inactive. The next person I believe to be scum ATM is TCS. Frankly, i dont like the way hes been playing and it really doesnt seem protown at all.

He's simply been very, very tentative about accusing anyone... that's my primary rationale.

So I changed my playstyle for this game.

I'd be a sucky player if I never did that.

That's a weak, weak excuse.

Lynch this guy please.

I dont know who he thinks he is giving orders but i dont like it. Also, while i am on the subject, i know some of your opinions may be affected by metagameness (sp?). i have not been part of this forum for long but i have noticed a lot of players treat the more "accomplished" members differently than others. I dont care about your games in the past or what you have done. So if TCS is a vet or something... it doesnt matter to me. a lot of older members around here act like "tough guys" or "hot shots" but i think that is baloney. just because youve been here a while, doesnt mean yr better then anyone else.
now that ive got that rant out of the way, is there any more specific questions any1 has for me?

oh and given my argument above, i will

vote: TCS

I'm not a "vet." I'm not even good. I think you'll realize how bad this vote is once you see how many people say things like "lynch this guy now kthx." It's just poor logic. You should vote for who you think is most scummy, not who you dislike personally.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

vote: McStab

as he's the scummiest person right now, IMO.

I'll try to finish that PBPA as time allows.

[McStab]

Well, to help contribute more, although I doubt this'll help catch scum much, here's some things...


I think a no lynch would be a bad idea today, because if NL was town, and we lynch a townie, we may be down by two, but if we lynch a scum, then we balance things out.

I think that mlaker is acting very scummy, he lurks more than even myself.

I don't have any opinions about other people, except that Haschel Cedricson seems innocent to me.

[Xdaamno]

Well, to help contribute more, although I doubt this'll help catch scum much, here's some things...

You're obviously not getting it

We post to get readings on other players and apply pressure, and you are helping us catch scum; you're helping us find out whether yu are scum or not.

I think a no lynch would be a bad idea today, because if NL was town, and we lynch a townie, we may be down by two, but if we lynch a scum, then we balance things out.

You've said the good and bad points in an apparently equal way, so that should mean your opinion is neutral? Seems like you have another reason for saying a no-lynch is a bad idea psyhologically, regardless of whether no-lynch is a bad idea or not.

I think that mlaker is acting very scummy, he lurks more than even myself.

You lurk a lot more than mlaker does, trust me

I don't have any opinions about other people, except that Haschel Cedricson seems innocent to me.

Any reason for this?

[xyzzy]

Well, to help contribute more, although I doubt this'll help catch scum much, here's some things...


I think a no lynch would be a bad idea today, because if NL was town, and we lynch a townie, we may be down by two, but if we lynch a scum, then we balance things out.

I think that mlaker is acting very scummy, he lurks more than even myself.

I don't have any opinions about other people, except that Haschel Cedricson seems innocent to me.

Your whole argument is essentially, "Yeah, I'm scummy, and I'm going to avoid spreading useful information, but here's some other people who I think are scummy."

No.

[mlaker]

OK, calm down with your vote there xyzzy, you asked schis who he thought was scummy, he hadn't responded and you had no idea of the circumstances why. No one had posted after your question, the game itself just needs some juice. I think it was awfully presumptuous to vote him. Major FOS to you. I honestly don't have much other than that to comment on, other than a minor FOS to McStab. "I think that mlaker is acting very scummy, he lurks more than even myself." To me this is like saying "hey I acknowledge my lurking but look at THAT guy. If you're going to vote for a lurker, that guy's the one."

[schismatized]

unvote TCS

Im going to reread again and look at individual players. Any1 want me to look at a certain person? Also, i would like to here more from mcstab and mlaker plz. Oh and PS, xyzzy, why do i still have your vote?