Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

[Nazarene]

Hi guys

I think it's probably a good idea to lynch sonicboom today. I'm not reading him as town for his claim (hell, it doesn't even match up with voided's cop role, not even talking about his townread copping :/) and he's playing the 'can't lynch me I claimed cop'-card. Which makes no sense.

Do you have anything to back your claim up, sonic?

To do list:
- read bulba's mathdino argument
- form opinion on ika/mollie/EF

-Tier

[ika]

I feel that ika needs an imminent threat to a lynch before he can either produce actual content or reveal himself as scum.

you lost me with this sentence, if im reading it correctly:

I need to be lynched before i can post or reveal myself as scum is what your saying? that makes like even less sense then what i tend to post half of the time.

as for the other one you stated, it was a deadline compermise and i was at school at the time so i didnt have much time to do much

[ika]

@naz, im here for a bit, wanna talk?

[Nazarene]

Sure. Who's scum and why aren't you voting em?

[Nazarene]

Also your ISO tells me very little, are you gonna participate more today?

[guille2015]

I need to be lynched before i can post or reveal myself as scum is what your saying? that makes like even less sense then what i tend to post half of the time.

The key word is threat. As in someone needs to threaten you to getting lynched.

[ika]

Sure. Who's scum and why aren't you voting em?

i need to go back and reread, but offhand:

scums
guile - mostly off pretacetor atm, but im surpirsed guile has yet to say who he targeted with JKing.
hawk - he kinda stated his reason already why others think hes scum. and while i agree, i got this odd feeling that i cant shake, hes more of a gut call
titus slot - this one is more biassed if anything mostly b/c i scum read titus every time but she has not been on skype or anywhere else, plus a policy on titus slots are always good

i could see a potential scum in the dino/bulb but logic isnt my forte so im going to let them reslove it.

null
PM - she said why she was ignoring me but its kinda annoying to em and doesnt allow me to interact with her or try to figure out what shes thinking
eddie - his major 180 turn on day 1 is what pings me, i could see it going either way
naz - prob by the end of our dicussion i will have a more set read on you, i haven played enough with either of you to be able to just peg in 2 posts like some

town
DBG - is most likely town but still always a good policy lynch XP
issot - while i still have some issues about 1-shot miller, its more of the timing of the claim and how it was handled is what makes me think its town

-----------

as for the vote: i want the shiny hammer again. its a lot of fun to have the hammer slot

----------

pedit:

ok, then threaten me, the fact i play off mood is what dictate my play. if you want to run me up thats fine, but right now dont expect much from me then.

@naz, i should be with thnkgiving, i got work in a few hrs but i should be around for a bit more

[Sonic Boom]

Whoever is voting me right now and also voted on Voided are probably scum because they want to kill cops


Only scum would not believe my claim and try to lynch me

[Sonic Boom]

I will write a long post later


If I still get lynched after I write long post then I will just clog the thread and be upset

[Bulbazak]

Lmao I really forgot that jackal was replaced by isott lol

then why did you not view jackal to test your views out if you did not get a sanity on your role after voided flipped sane cop?

Can I just say that I didn't even think of using a "non universally town read" one shot miller to test my sanity?

I rather use mollie towniness to test it better

But regardless, you should have expected a guilty from him. So why didn't you consider him as a test of your sanity?

Let's lynch real scum. Guille claimed jailkeeper but there is a flipped doctor already. That means town has more than one protective role (bad for scum) or... He is the scum jailkeeper.

Possibly, but I'm not going to put him under serious consideration unless I see evidence of a vig.

I do. Claiming a guilty on Mollie and then turning around to say that he must be insane is not a pro-scum move. It essentially turns him into policy lynch material, which is bad for a scum wincon. He'd have been better off claiming an innocent on a town player and leaving sanity ambiguous. The only way this makes sense for Sonic-scum is if you also believe Mollie is scum, which you've given zero indication.

Plus, I believe Sonic-town would investigate Mollie for those reasons.

Sonic-scum would probably think that he was screwed anyways, so he would go directly to the angle of pleading insanity. Don't you think?

But if he thought he was screwed anyway, why not just leave the result as a guilty and try to get an extra mislynch out of it? The thought process does not track coming from scum Sonic.

Bulbasak

why do you think Eddie is town?

He's at least asked some serious questions that show that he's trying to figure out who scum is, instead of just coasting, which is what scum Eddie does.

I'm not impressed by Ika's read list.

[EddieFenix]

@Bulba, need that wagon on Sonic Boom rolling up. Scum don't need logic to keep themselves out of the fire. They just need a plea of sorts. I'll work with Guille. But, Sonic Booms gotta go.

[Bulbazak]

Maybe, but not right this second. I'd like to spend some today sorting Ika and DGB. One, if not both, are scum, and I just need to figure it out. Sonic will still be around by the end of the day.

[Bulbazak]

*some time today

[mastin2]

Fun mafiascum trivia fact: back in the day, some moderators actually PREFERRED having votecounts (consistently) in the middle of the page. Though I forget the exact reasoning behind this decision, I believe it was similar to the justification for top-of-the-page: something reasonably easy to refer to location-wise on a page. (Clearly, I am a traditionalist and this middle-of-page was intentional. Clearly.)

Sonic Boom is at L-2.

Fourth Votecount of D2

(Thirty-Fifth Votecount Overall)

:

Sonic Boom - 4 (Mathdino, pirate mollie, EddieFenix, istott)

Mathdino - 3 (Bulbazak, ProHawk, Sonic Boom)

ika - 1 (guille2015)

Not Voting - 3 (Nazarene, ika, DrippingGoofBall)

With

11

alive, it's

6

to lynch.

Day Two's deadline is Monday, December 8th, @ 5:00 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2014-12-08 17:00:00).

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

⁽⁼⁰⁾

Sonic Boom - 4 (Mathdino, pirate mollie, EddieFenix, istott)

⁽⁼⁰⁾

Mathdino - 3 (Bulbazak, ProHawk, Sonic Boom)

⁽⁺¹⁾

ika - 1 (

guille2015

)

_(-1)

Not Voting - 3 (Nazarene, ika,

guille2015

, DrippingGoofBall)

Last votecount was page 40, post 976.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D2

Nazarene:

Sonic Boom:

guille2015

==>Mathdino

Bulbazak:

Mathdino

EddieFenix:

Sonic Boom

ProHawk:

Mathdino

ika:

MathDino:

Sonic Boom

guille2015:

ika

pirate mollie:

istott

==>Sonic Boom

istott:

Sonic Boom

DrippingGoofBall:

Spoiler: Voting Chronology for D2

On Mon, Nov 11/24/14 @ 05:13p,

Bulbazak

votes

Mathdino

in post 898.
On Mon, Nov 11/24/14 @ 05:21p,

ProHawk

Votes

Mathdino

in post 899.
On Mon, Nov 11/24/14 @ 05:47p,

Sonic Boom

Votes

guille2015

in post 905.
On Mon, Nov 11/24/14 @ 08:20p,

pirate mollie

Votes

istott

in post 921.
On Mon, Nov 11/24/14 @ 10:10p,

Mathdino

Votes

Sonic Boom

in post 934.
On Mon, Nov 11/24/14 @ 11:14p,

pirate mollie

Votes

Sonic Boom

in post 941.
On Tue, Nov 11/25/14 @ 12:27a,

EddieFenix

votes

Sonic Boom

in post 952.
On Tue, Nov 11/25/14 @ 01:07a,

istott

Votes

Sonic Boom

in post 964.
On Tue, Nov 11/25/14 @ 01:14a,

Sonic Boom

Votes

Mathdino

in post 968.
On Tue, Nov 11/25/14 @ 05:45a,

guille2015

votes

ika

in post 999.

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

I will hear metal out.

[pirate mollie]

also @ ika

I am not entirely ignoring you if you wanna ask me something then plz do! you said i wasn't reaching out to you and I was explaining why.

[ika]

@bulb: i aim to displease, wanna talk about my disspaointing reads, i should eb around in a few hrs.

@mollie, whats your reads atm? and whats your take on the nk?

[ika]

oh forewarning, if anyone goes to l-1 while im around i will most likely hammer. so i will keep you guys updated when i am around and when im not

[Bulbazak]

@bulb: i aim to displease, wanna talk about my disspaointing reads, i should eb around in a few hrs.

Let's start with how lazy they are, how you repeatedly try to stay hands off while lamenting that you can't engage with anyone (or dowright refusing to engage), that you have no real townreads on anyone (and your actual townreads can be PL'd at a moment's notice), and how your Sonic Boom read is BS, since it revolves around how you always scumread Titus, even though Titus hasn't been posting in this game. It all seems rather contrived to me.

[DrippingGoofball]

EddieFenix is still obvscum but I can go with that:

VOTE: guille

[Nazarene]

That doesn't answer my question, ika. Why aren't you votng your scumreads?

scums
guile - mostly off pretacetor atm, but im surpirsed guile has yet to say who he targeted with JKing.

Okay I googled pretacetor and literally the only results I got were your posts on MS :/ what do you mean?

hawk - he kinda stated his reason already why others think hes scum. and while i agree, i got this odd feeling that i cant shake, hes more of a gut call

Come on, go further...

titus slot - this one is more biassed if anything mostly b/c i scum read titus every time but she has not been on skype or anywhere else, plus a policy on titus slots are always good

Titus ain't even playing.

-Tier

[pirate mollie]

@bulb: i aim to displease, wanna talk about my disspaointing reads, i should eb around in a few hrs.

@mollie, whats your reads atm? and whats your take on the nk?

i am not gonna lie my confidence is shaken after the voided flip.

I am confused about metal cos of how he handled voided saying that he was

sane

cop and he did not make a bigger deal about it. I will hear him out tho cos if metal is town then he is capable of sending out a clear strong town signal. I wanna hear what he has to say.

dgb worries me a bit but bulba is giving me much bigger niggles. how he is obtaining his reads doesn't make sense to me. I don't think the 2 are scum together. <----- still trying to work them out.

I think shos was universally townread hence the nk. I probably need to review what his reads were. I feel like istott might actually be town when I did a review on that slot.

I feel like guille's exit posts when he thought he was going to be lynched were pretty townish but no he hasn't said who he jailed. noted.

I know this isn't much ika but it is all I have for right now. I am still trying to get a grip on the game.

[Bulbazak]

dgb worries me a bit but bulba is giving me much bigger niggles. how he is obtaining his reads doesn't make sense to me. I don't think the 2 are scum together. <----- still trying to work them out.

What exactly don't you like?

I think shos was universally townread hence the nk.

I'm pretty sure Shos was lynch bait for most of d1.

[pirate mollie]

What exactly don't you like?

I feel like the arguments you are using against dino are the same kind of arguments you used in maniacal street. word salad.

I'm pretty sure Shos was lynch bait for most of d1.

that wasn't my take. do you think scum have a day role cop? cos otherwise why do YOU think he was nked?

[mastin2]

By the way, for my new VCs, there are a couple of other changes I considered, but ultimately decided I wouldn't put in unless asked by a player to do so. These being,
-On the "changes" section, linking to the post the player changes their vote. (I leaned against it for redundancy and confusion.)
-On the voting chronology section, every time a player shifts their vote, noting who they're shifting off of. (Rather than just noting it for explicit unvotes, as it is currently.)

If you have thoughts on it, let me know.