Newbie 384: All over 'cept the finger-pointing!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually, I could also go for a Llama vote. Whichever is fine.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote

, doc I'd rather you place your vote first for me to hammer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There is always the possibility of Llama being scum gambling for a quick win here. If so, he would have to be scum with Albert, because normally with this gambit the scum claims cop with a guilty on an innocent, not the other way around. I can't imagine Llama being scum with any of the three he did not claim to investigate, as it puts his partner at too much unnecessary risk.

I'm especially inclined to consider the case where Llama is lying, since right now the scum must be Llama/Albert or Yos/pickem from my eyes, and I've generally had confidence in Yos and pickem throughout the game. But as I said, I'd expect Llama to claim a guilty result if he were scum going for the quick win, so I'm a bit torn here.

Albert, are you still sure about Llama being scum, since I can't imagine a scenario where he's scum with anyone other than you?

My current scum team is Llama/pickem, subject to change.

I am of course 100% confirmed townie. I believe Yosarian has caught the scum neatly, and it is time to lynch one of them.

[thedocsalive]

Unvote

, doc I'd rather you place your vote first for me to hammer.

Um, this is a pretty strange request, given that this isn't some game where hammering someone gives you some kind of night power.

I agree with Yos' recent posting, and I believe his doc claim over pickem's, making pickem definitely scum. Though it does remain possible that pickem and Yos are a scumpair working hard to distance each other, I think that pickem and Llama is more likely right now.

Vote: pickemgenius

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have no choice but to

vote pickemgenius

. If you were a doctor, you would protect me, the confirmed innocent, not Llama. This mistake has cost you the game.

[pickemgenius]

welp, first game lost ever on this site.

you guy's didn't want to follow llamas guaranteed town win plan, not my fault.

Oh well gg scum, actually not really since we all know who they were, but you won, so that counts for something.

[pickemgenius]

There was alot of weird town play here to be honest, and heh, it's not my fault.

Albert, why were you in such a hurry to end the game?

Lots of anti-town play was made in this game, but hey, some people are learning.

*shrug* again gg.



Also may I ask everyone why they would lynch the doctor who claimed first, and laid out the game plan so obviously?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hmm the plan was lame. How do you even know Llama was town ? He probably was the cop, but we had no way of being sure. If your a doctor, you know for a fact that Yos is scum. Why would you say you would protect Llama when I am confirmed innocent ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

In fact, why didn't you even consider the possible Llama/Yos scum-pair ? Your close-mindedness is ridiculous, I don't even blame myself for lynching you.

[pickemgenius]

Alright, I'll again break it down.

If you are a confirmed innocent, that means the cop investigation was right.


Llama=cop
me=doc
you=confirmed innocent.

first off there isn't much grey are in who is scum right off the bat.


Yos fake counterclaims me.

If we would have lynched docs first (3/1 town to scum ratio)
NK-(you)Albert, they wouldn't kill me, and I would protect the cop.(2/1)
Llama gives her result, me=innocent, or Yos= guilty.


but I guess winning isn't your thing, maybe that's why the plan was lame to you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It makes absolute sense for a scum to claim cop and claim they got an innocent result on a townie. Why didn't you even consider Yos/Llama ?

The mafia knows who is town. Its easy for them to claim someone is innocent, they

know

who is innocent. Your failure to acknowledge this cost you(and possibly us) the game.

[pickemgenius]

No counterclaim by anybody+breadcrumbing cop makes Llama 90%+ cop.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay. Here's another question: why did you wait until everyone posted to claim doctor ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, why the hell didn't you breadcrumb yourself LOL.

[pickemgenius]

If I breadcrumb during the day, scum reread the day, and if I breadcrumb doc, i'm most likely the N1 kill, making me useless.


Why did I wait for everyone to post?


Well, I wanted to see if anybody counter claimed Llama, and I knew if nobody counterclaimed that this game was (or should have been easily) in the bag.

[Albert B. Rampage]

While we're at it, why did you keep following Yosarian around all the game ? Hmph.

[pickemgenius]

I like him, he's a pretty nifty person, and he had some good points.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1) How is anyone counter-claiming Llama going to affect your claim ?

2) Why didn't you breadcrumb it in a way that scum wouldn't be able to read you...?

[pickemgenius]

1. Because if nobody counterclaims, and says who he investigated that makes 2 confirmed (basically) innocents leaving only one in the air.

If somebody would have counter claimed, then I wouldn't have presumed you were innocent, and then we would have to find out which one is lying, lynch them, get to day 3, I would then claim, presumably then it would be (you, me, doc/yos)
and then Llamas investigation results would clear you, and it would be game over.

2. This was my first power role, ever.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your last post was just practically excuses for unthoughtfulness.

One last: why would you protect a 90% confirmed innocent instead of a 100% confirmed innocent ? This just makes no sense at all, and is the main reason behind your lynch.

[pickemgenius]

unthoughtfulness?
There was a plan for a guarenteed win, and I wanted to follow it. some people didn't, not my fault.


why would you protect a 90% confirmed innocent instead of a 100% confirmed innocent?

HE WAS A FUCKING COP

, HIS INVESTIGATION RESULTS ON DAY 3 WOULD END THE GAME, YOU WEREN'T A COP, you were a townie, you would have brought nothing new Day 3, and the game would have been a crapshoot.

[pickemgenius]

Now let me ask you a question.

Again, why were you so impatient throughtout the game?


Why were you in a hurry to end it?

[Albert B. Rampage]

HE WAS A FUCKING COP

, HIS INVESTIGATION RESULTS ON DAY 3 WOULD END THE GAME, YOU WEREN'T A COP, you were a townie, you would have brought nothing new Day 3, and the game would have been a crapshoot.

You have a point, but I have to emphasize that either you or Yosarian had to be scum, therefore I was confirmed townie, whereas Llama was of unsure alignment. You don't know for a fact that Llama is cop; the odds of there being a cop is 50/50 someone said. Also, who said Llama wasn't confident in surviving a counter-claim in ly-lo ? Really. Always protect the confirmed dude. Or at least say you will and then protect the cop.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Now let me ask you a question.

Again, why were you so impatient throughtout the game?


Why were you in a hurry to end it?

Trunc obviously didn't want to play yet kept posting. Llama, I was online the whole time and could unvote immediately. As for you, I really thought you were scum.

[pickemgenius]

. Or at least say you will and then protect the cop.

That would work.


I'll take a 90% cop over a 100% townie.


We'll never know what would have happened if Llama would have gotten counterclaimed.