DeathSauce 3 (Miztef, Paradoxombie, vollkan)
Miztef 2 (DeathSauce, ryan)
Ryan 1 (VanDamien)
Not voting 3: SweenyTodd, Trustgossip, SirTornado
With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch. At deadline, it's 3 to lynch, or the person with the most votes.
I'm interested in the randomness of it without an explanation or content jsut a vote and bail.DeathSauce wrote: VD's behavior has struck me as pro-town-ish the past 3 pages,but I would like an explanation of the vote on ryan.
I hope to check in at least one more time before the deadline.
Um, shouldn't everyone be?Well, excpet for you scum who know who is a townie, of course.ryan wrote:A tad suspicious, already? DAMN!
So, we're saying that scum like to jump on wagons late, so Katy might possibly be scum in this situation, because post of post #4?!?ryan wrote:HurriKaty: Post #4 has me a little interested, especially with the lack of posts. It was posted to random bandwagon to find somebody early in a game, which I don't totally disagree with, I hate the term bandwagoning. Mafia members love to jump on a bandwagon late in the action and take somebody out easily, I don't 100% disagree with this tactic but I'm not all on board. Random bandwagon can be good and bad is what I'm basically saying, I'm just waiting for more posts to see which one she's on. Only two posts so it could have been a pro townie mention OR something to throw off the scent of her tainted tail
And somehow out of that, ryan thinks I'm suggesting a no lynch? WTF?Me wrote:I'll unvote, and wait for the votes to pile on. I am convinced enough to do the hammering on this one.
. Ryan defends in this way:ryan wrote:I mean if he is town and you are town we would have just lynched TWO of our players.
Now, obviously mafia kills, or nightills, or however else yoou want to say it, they don't lynch - not on their own, not on day one. So when he says "we would have lynched" in the first place, by the way he's using terminology - h could definately have slipped and be referring to a we which includes him in the lynch and the mafia, "lynching" ie lynching and NKing, two town players.ryan wrote:I don't think I contradicted myself. I simply stated that if we (as a townie) lynch the wrong person than the mafia lynches another, wouldn't that be losing two of our players? I guess I shouldn't have said "we the town lynched" because it would technically be the town lynching one and the mafia lynching the other. I apologize for the confusion, my bad
This is definately untrue.ryan wrote:and been at least trying to find scum in this game
And I could easily say that sounds terribly OMGUS and contrived.Ryan wrote: Saying that I haven’t been finding scum (which you’ve hinted at in your War and Peace posts you’ve been posting) is really WIFOM.
This is evasive and an example of the tu quoque fallacy. Since this is one of the less common ones, the gist is:Ryan wrote: I could easily say that you’ve been lurking through the game with no solid stance on anyone until right before a deadline.
Ryan wrote: It seems like you want other people to lead the discussion whilst talking enough so that you don't seem to be lurking. I'd like to see some substance from you rather than these one-liners.
LOL, you just stole my question too. We had three not weigh in with a vote before a deadline, I was wondering what they thought as well. Especially TrustGossip, looking back through I'm having a tough time getting a read on you either way as I don't have alot of content from you to go on.Paradoxombie wrote:I'd like to hear what the three non-voting think of recent events.
Care to elaborate?Miztef wrote:I'm gonna go right ahead and FoS: ryan.
I was really suspicious of his vote on me, and he's the big lead for me right now. We are in a really desperate situation now though, so I won't vote until nessessary.
That is again highly WIFOM. I usually find that many of the discussions associated with trying to accuse someone of being the scum are WIFOMic when someone is so overtly against someone. It is easy for the real Mafia to kill someone like that and use it to get a mislynch the next day.Sir torando, its a valid point. It's an advantage to the scum to be rid of someone who is helping the town. Vandamien, from my perspective, is the only person who could have possibly been voting for scum, and the scum killed him. Therefore, scum would be getting an advantage by killing him over other players.
Now, just prior to that in #640Ryan wrote: I'm not sure how I could be so wrong, andalthough you could still be scum Deathsauce I'm starting to agree with you about Miztef pulling an anti town move.I've read and re-read and read some more and I still find it to be scummy BUT I'm not sure why he'd admit to his plan unless he thought he was going to be found out and figured he'd try and come clean to look more townie. *shaking my head* If you aren't pro town, you are anti town and I am NOT a fan of anti town players so........
Vote Miztef
I don't like the ease with which Ryan reversed his stance entirely, despite admitting that he was suspicious of the very person who he was agreeing with. This much would fit with Miz's statement:Ryan wrote: In light of re-reading the posts I missed while on vacation I am going to
unvote
I just am not a fan of setting traps that potential townies could find themself in AND than having an out if a townie is lynched.I still feel DeathSauce could be our mafia but Miztef is just not sitting right with me right now.I'm looking back through posts to see what I could have missed about Miztef as I was pretty sure he was pro town. I'm not above admitting mistakes and DeathSauce might have been right about Miztef being mafia but if that's true than my case on DeathSauce might be wrong as well. I'll post something after I get a few things re-read (and done at work) What a tangled web we weeve
Also, we have Ryan's rather blunt "If you are not pro-town you are anti town..." A pro-town player can make a mistake (as I suspect Miz has) and not be anti-town. There is false logic to this, but I don't think it is as important as the stuff regarding Ryan's reversal.Most of the time, you seemed to be on deathsauce's side. Since me and him are both town, either kill was fine for u, just had to pick a side