Mini 472 - Cartman Mafia - Game Over

[Estes]

So, how is everyone? I'm gonna hold off on voting until we get some more people posting.

[Estes]

vote: ZeekLTK

OMGUS! :p

I should have won that game.

[Estes]

unvote: Zeekltd

I only did it messing with him since we're friends on another site.

Nobody is really saying anything too scumish at the moment except for earwig's suspicious post. I'm gonna hold off on voting for him at the moment though. I don't want to accidentally start the bandwagon.

I'd like to hear his response to our allegations first.

[Estes]

oops, I meant Zeekltk, not d. I guess I was thinking touchdown or something.

[Estes]

Start the bandwagon? He's got 4 votes (well, 3 when you posted that). It's already been put in motion.

I would vote for Earwig, but it's way too early to put someone at L-1, so I'm going to

unvote, Vote: Estes

I didn't like that last post you made. You seemed way too cautious about not wanting to be on that bandwagon.

LOL, every game there is someone. I love playing here because my loose style of play confuses everyone on the site(except the people who have played a few games with me). You go right ahead and vote for me, for not jumping on the lynchwagon with a strong sense of certainty. Yeah, I look scummy for thinking alright.

[Estes]

I meant to say without. Not with, before the "a strong sense" part.

[Estes]

The reason scummy play gets lynched is because it's not very productive to the town.

If you think about it, the only thing I've done is not vote for someone because I didn't feel the evidence was strong enough in warranting a vote yet.

Is that something mafia would do?

[Estes]

@estes: The remark is in response to your " I always play scummy so don't lynch me" comment. If you don't want to get lynched don't play scummy. Yes your comment about hesitating to vote does look scummy, but you coumpound it by going "don't vote me for a scummy action, because I'm always scummy."

I never said I play scummy. You've assumed such, or apparently put words into my mouth.

I just type exactly what I'm thinking at all times. That flips townies out(why I have yet to determine).

It's like brutal honesty = scum here or something.

[Estes]

What are really saying is my scummy play keeps getting me lynched. That excuse is lame.

I've actually never been lynched on mafiascum.

[Estes]

Vote Count Please Mod

Yeah, this would be appreciated. I'd like to see who is doing what before making any kind of definite choice.

[Estes]

Consider this a Q&A post

1) Off the Mark: Who would you consider your top 3 scum?

2) Estes: Thoughts on J-Man and Gatorguy?

3) ChaosOmega: Your thoughts on Earwig?

I'll post some personal thoughts here in a few.

J-man: Seems ok so far, imo. His earlier post with containing a good amount of thought, was a very pro-town move. Mafia, usually, don't go into such detail early.

Gatorguy: hasn't really posted anything of significance in my book. Borderline lurker. I'd kinda like to see him give his thoughts on things.


Also, the fact that Dean went on an almost militant attack towards me, and hasn't been seen since, make me wonder why he's been quite. Granted he may be working or something, but it makes you wonder.

[Estes]

Vote Count?

[Estes]

Sorry to hear that Stewie, hope that clears up. Thanks for the count.

At the moment I wanna think Dean is mafia; but then again, I think he was more confused and hoping he had a lead, then actually being mafia. I kinda wonder about Gatorguy, he usually talks more.

[Estes]

Me and Zeek know each other from another forum; we were just messing around like any friends would.

With that said, It's always hard to tell who's mafia when a few guys jump on one side and say, "such and such is mafia", and some more jump on another side and say the same thing about the others. As soon as we figure out one of them - from either side - it will help shape up the sides very well (although two mafia may be on different sides to throw off our town). Because we basically have Zeek & Ryan vs. OtM and ChaosOmega. And then of course we have me and Dean sorta stalemated at each other's throats.

Yes I realize I just wrote out what everyone already knows, I just wanted to write my thoughts out.

[Estes]

that was a good one estes you may have wrote out everyone elses thoughts but you made alot of sense to me who was still kinda confused from the Ryan and OTM thingie, just wondering where you think i am (using that idea as a springboard)?

As I stated on the last page...

For the moment I consider you a pro-town player; due to the fact you wrote out a lot of thoughts and ideas earlier. I my experience mafia doesn't

normally

write out very long posts of incite. All of this is subject to change of course, but at the moment I consider you a townie.

[Estes]

Yeah, Dean may need to be prodded.

[Estes]

Wow, I miss one night and a lot of crap goes down.

So, to recap, J-man is cop, and Zeek is a Miller(what's a miller?).

[Estes]

vote:DeanWinchester

It's peculiar how he has just magically stopped posting. Hoping we ignore him maybe?

[Estes]

Ack! Estes there is a lot going on here and you are voting for a lurker?

HUGE FOS: Estes

I don't want a lurker lynched but I can't say I have a problem voting for somebody who currently doesn't have any votes on him, maybe a pressure vote gets him posting again?

OtF, you're desperately searching for something to throw attention off of yourself. Really scummy to me(or at least extremely paranoid).

Exactly ryan, just a pressure vote.

[Estes]

Me too Zeek.

[Estes]

No. I've said my thoughts. I'm just reading along with the current discussion.

[Estes]

It wouldn't surprise me if one of them was mafia. As to who, idk. It's hard to just pick out a lurker to suspect.

What are your thoughts, on them?

[Estes]

This thing was way too far down the page. J-man, Zeek, or Gatorguy, anything y'all would like to add?

Or Dean, do you want to defend yourself? Or are you just throwing in the towel?

*these are here to help get some conversation going; and to sorta bump this*

[Estes]

Don't lynch Sorin...he's ok. I investigated him night one.

I'm the Dawg, episode 1010.

If there is a doctor...you better save me.

[Estes]

Ugh, whatever. Fine kill him, but don't say I didn't warn you.

[Estes]

He was the last guy to confirm. I had no idea who to pick that first night.

[Estes]

How convenient that that you used the episode that aired tonight...

Doc, please save j-man tonight!!

I don't watch South Park. I had no idea it came on tonight.

[Estes]

Ugh, whatever. Fine kill him, but don't say I didn't warn you.

Oh okay... so you "reveal" your role in an attempt to stop us from lynching him and then you turn right around and say that you don't care if we kill him? Nice!! What was the point of revealing then?

Please show me where it says I don't care? I said if y'all don't believe me kill him, not that I didn't want him to die. I don't want to lose a single townie(ideally).

You also said I should die(which is very scummy, no town member should ever wish death on another town member no matter what they do) for coming out at that time. And why was that? To save J-man? Will he even be able to help us? He's supposedly insane, so everyone assumes he'll see stuff appositely of the way they are(aka mafia innocent, town guilty). How are we sure that's the way his mind works. Maybe by being "insane" he gets stuff randomly? He may get and innocent or a guilty, if that's the case his investigations don't really help us at all.

And lastly, if I was mafia why would I come out right before Sorin gets hung? That would be a horrible, horrible move. If I was that bad at this game I would have already screwed up worse in the games we played on Utopia. Go bad and read them Zeek, you'll see that isn't and never has been the case.

[Estes]

Just read the Wiki that says the insane cop always gets the incorrect results, so we can mark all of that middle paragraph off(except the first sentence).

[Estes]

This is my last post, sorry I've made so many, he might be a random cop too, or I may be a Naïve cop.

Man, I'm gonna stick to regular roles after this game. What find of town elects an insane person to be their cop?

[Estes]

Estes: Did you breadcrumb that you are a cop? Looking back through I don't really see anything showing me info you are a cop.

I was trying not to give myself away at all.

OtM: yeah man, I realize how it looks. I look scummy as crap. But, again if I was mafia why would I have jumped out then? I was just trying to save a guy my investigation said was innocent. Hopefully I'm not insane, or worse, random.

[Estes]

It's pretty clear I'm a miller and pro-town

Clear because you say so? Oh ok.

Wanting to kill a cop isn't very pro-town, either.

And, doctor protect whoever you want, me or J-man. If we're lucky the mafia will pick the same one you do.

[Estes]

Dean.

[Estes]

The fact that he was all over me for not wanting to vote Earwig; and as soon as we start calling him out on it(and asking him questions) he's suddenly "busy".

That's all the argument I'll make. I don't really care what y'all do(I don't wanna be replaced though, I like the game...just not the fact that nobody believes me). I hate being called a liar. And another thing, going back to my episode(1010) if I wasn't a cop why would I pick that one? That is easily gonna be on the short list of choices for cop(a lot more than 813(J-man's). I would have picked something I was 100% positive wasn't assigned.

My suspect list(because I'll probably die soon):

Zeek (how convenient he claimed miller)
Gatorguy (guilty so far...maybe Zeek is trying to save him)
Dean (already said my case above)

[Estes]

It's pretty clear I'm a miller and pro-town

Clear because you say so? Oh ok.

No, not because I "say so".... we already went over this.

By saying I'm going to give a guilty that means I'm either a miller or mafia. I wouldn't do this if I was a town who got innocent because there is no benefit to that, so I have to be miller or mafia. Me revealing as miller helps the town in several ways such as j-man can confirm his insanity, Gatorguy, a likely townie, is not lynched, etc. Even if Gatorguy is not town, me revealing will help us figure that out.

There is nothing anti-town about my reveal

(if there is I'd like to hear it)

so I don't see how anyone can suspect me as possibly being mafia any more. If anything, it just looks more suspicious on the parts of those who do try to make a case against me.

Ok, here goes...

You claimed that "if anyone investigates me, I'll be guilty because I'm a miller." That can easily be translated into, "I'm mafia but I claimed miller so when you do finally investigate me I'll say I appeared guilty because of my 'miller' role.(and you'll also buy Gatorguy another day)" You also can say(when you do turn up guilty) "ok let's kill Gatorguy, J-man is sane"(or if it works out that you appear innocent, you can say don't kill Gator, J-man is insane - which would make Gator the Godfather). So, then after Gatorguy's death you'll appear to be pro-town(and if J-man actually is insane you'll both appear to be townies and can dictate the game). It's quite ingenious on your part...yes you lose one mafia member(unless Gator is the Godfather) but you're setting the scum up to always have at least one person the town thinks is with them...thus letting at least one mafia make it to the end for the win.

I cannot believe I'm the only one who sees this as a possibility.

However, you claim you got an innocent result. Dawg never got an innocent result in the episode, so that doesn't add up.

Blame Stewie there. I just report what I get.

[Estes]

There's no reason to FOS me. I think that's a given at this point.

[Estes]

No, it's a given everyone is suspicious of me.

Also are you ignoring my other post? I would assume that means I'm correct and you're just hoping everyone forgets.

[Estes]

because someone who was working a conspiracy would put a little more effort into their deception.

O Rly? Then why don't you trust me? I didn't do some mumbo jumbo crap, I just posted the truth. It's like no matter what I say everyone chooses not to believe me.

Ridiculous.

[Estes]

It's a different situation. Your claim/lie is more simple and straightforward. Either you are lying or not. In the Gator-as-godfather scenario, Zeek is required to do lots of analysis, come up with a lie to fit the situation, and then convince the rest of us to go long with his conspiracy/plan. I would think that this type of player would use lots of analysis to convince us. A bit of WIFOM reasoning here, but there you have it.

Ok, I can except that as a reasonable answer. Thank you.

[Estes]

Can we get a prod on anyone who hasn't posted in the last two pages?

[Estes]

If Estes is the sane cop, I'm sure he was already planning on investigating Dean anyways...

Yes, I will definitely be investigating Dean. And if I'm alive in the morning(unlikely, sadly), I'll tell you who what I get.

[Estes]

1. Great, now if you are the real cop, scum can simply kill Dean. 2. Or you. You should have kept that to yourself.

I numbered them...

1. I figure Dean is scum anyway; so I doubt he'll be dead(and if not....oh well. He's not helping us and apparently won't be replaced).

2. The scum already know I'm not scum. It's apparent I'll probably targeted tonight. I don't think me posting will change their minds there.

[Estes]

EBWOP: there should be a "be" in between "probably" and "targeted".

[Estes]

Dean isn't suspicious. He writes music or conducts it or something(that's the best I can write it without quoting the PM).

[Estes]

OtM:

Maybe?

[Estes]

EBWOP: That's even funnier after looking at his avatar.

[Estes]

Dean's thing about music... Estes can you elaborate? Maybe if we can figure out that role it'll help tremendously.

It said I saw music written down, and nothing suspicious. That was all; I just assumed it meant he was a singer/composer/writer or something.

Can anyone who watches South Park figure out a show where Eric has something to do with music?

[Estes]

^ Just went to wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartman#Music

Like finding a needle in a haystack.

[Estes]

It didn't give you an episode?

No, I didn't get one on Sorin either. I guess that would make it too easy to find the Godfather.

[Estes]

Someone PM Stewie and ask if he meant to put that.

[Estes]

When people get "sent to jail" who could be "killing" them? I'm not familiar with all the possible mafia scum roles.

[Estes]

I know. What mafiascum role has the ability to do that?

[Estes]

Can we get a prod to everyone who hasn't posted in day two yet?

[Estes]

I think it's clear that Dean is a mason. I'd like to hear from Estes what the result was when he investigated Sorin (I).

It said he liked to cook. I already said that before he was lynched.

[Estes]

Welcome aboard Vampy.

[Estes]

After thinking about it for awhile, and still being undecided on the ryan/OTM bickering I'm gonna

vote earwig/SorintheSeeker

because I like the argument Zeek makes against him.

I really wish we had J-man's investigation(couldn't the mod give it to us while he's being replaced) to know about him and Gatorguy a little better.

[Estes]

OTM: If you're pro-town help us kill Sorin. Actually that goes out to anyone claiming to be pro-town. I consider him suspicious and he isn't posting anyway. Win-win.

[Estes]

ryan, you better hope Earwig/Sorin isn't mafia. You practically just defended him.

Also, I won't be here most of the day. Good luck in whatever happens(if anything does) town.

[Estes]

I'm gonna go send out messages to see if somebody will join our game and tell us what J-man knows.

[Estes]

Operation Estes is finding a replacement for J-man was a complete failure.

[Estes]

Now we only need remussaidow to tell us the investigation results.

[Estes]

Still waiting for a lynch

Vote for sorin then.

[Estes]

Because then you can block ryan at night. It's better than not knowing who to block and one of us dieing.

[Estes]

Vote for sorin damnit!

[Estes]

unvote; vote: Ryan

OtM is being powertrippy and won't kill Sorin, so we'll need to go after his boy instead.

[Estes]

Listen, we only have four people participating right now. Let's quit spreading our votes out. It's getting us nowhere.

[Estes]

unvote; vote: Ryan

OtM is being powertrippy and won't kill Sorin, so we'll need to go after his boy instead.

Why are you protecting OtM?

If you could make an argument of me protecting anyone it would be Sorin, due to the fact I left his bandwagon. Explain how voting for you is "protecting" OtM? Siding with, yes. "Protecting", no.

[Estes]

I already asked you to vote Sorin and you never did. This is my last post of the day. I hate playing with you when all you wanna do is stir crap, ryan. You were much more enjoyable to play with in your early days of mafia.

[Estes]

There we go. Good discussion will get me posting again.

Sorin has been pretty non existent and me voting for a non contributor goes against everything I've always said (you don't lynch non contributors you replace them)

When Stewie is your mod non-contributers just get replaced by more non-contributers. So that entire point is moot in this game.

[Estes]

I'm here today as well. If we can just get that cop investigation.

ryan tell oddjob to PM Stewie as a replacement for J-man's replacement.

[Estes]

Now if only he would tell us who was investigated.

[Estes]

LOL, I like the new guy.

[Estes]

Damn.

I tried, Go Town!

[Estes]

No I was not.

[Estes]

Thanks for the block on night two OTM.

Good game everyone.