NY 187: Pariah's Mafia [/FIN]

[davesaz]

Dave I remember you posting things more indepth and being a little more active are you busy or has your meta changed. Is there a reason?

Was that Masquerade or a later game? Work got a lot busier, for the most part.

[Garmr]

Masq and I know those feels

[Aeronaut]

Ill give you some reads I'm still formulating.

Town reads

Boon - cause he is still awesome. And it just feels like a town boon game so far.

This isn't very convincing to me.

Klingon - mostly because I'd be expecting her to be more involved if she was scum. That can change though.

Anna - slight scum read because she hasn't really done much other than vote for me because Dragon rhymes with wagon. I'd be expecting a bit more by now.

Hmm . . So Klingon lack of involvement makes her town read while mine makes me slight scum read?

Uh... this is like the same exact thing I posted right above that.

I'm not on any wagon. Why are you not paying attention?

Ok, do you have any sorts of reads or analysis or anything at all?

PB's iso is not giving me any positive feelings, though. He's not sharing information, and with 12 posts I feel I should know -something- about his read on the game, and I don't.

VOTE: PB

My problem is, I feel as if this could be said about a lot of people right now. Klingoncelt, duppin, Kitty Galore, SilverWrath, Kop, Sword Master, all people who I personally have no idea about because they've barely posted. The only reason something is compiling on PB is because it's a wagon, and someone like Kop isn't.

Prolapsed needs to post more. Do any players here have experience with them? They would be better of reading them.
In any case, kind of leaning scum at this point, just based on tone and content alone.

I've only played with PB one time, but he was exactly like this when I played. It was also explained to me by RC in that game that this is just his playstyle. So, right now it's null to me.

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Shazam

Going to try something new for a bit.

I'm not done with Dragon.

[Shazam]

I like

what FA is doing.

@BBT, I can kinda see what Gamr is saying about dragon -

I feel like

he's not looking any deeper at the game and it's

frustrating to me

.

In terms of Soze, his Iso

confuses

me. Some of it

seems

really genuine and town-minded, some of it is just...noisy and the discussion with myk

doesn't fill me with town-vibes

It might be a style thing.

PB's iso is not giving me any

positive feelings

, though. He's not sharing information, and with 12 posts

I feel

I should know -something- about his read on the game, and I don't.

VOTE: PB

This is poor. If you expect anyone to agree with you about who to vote, talk about more than your feelings. If you don't expect anyone to agree with you, why are you doing it?

I don't like the PB wagon because it looks like a lurker wagon, and I generally don't like D1 lurker wagons. Those are for later days when the full body of their lurker posting can give you some info.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon - mostly because I'd be expecting her to be more involved if she was scum. That can change though.

Anna - slight scum read because she hasn't really done much other than vote for me because Dragon rhymes with wagon. I'd be expecting a bit more by now.

Hmm . . So Klingon lack of involvement makes her town read while mine makes me slight scum read?

I would like an answer to this as well dragon. Klingon has always been a rather less involved player. I dont remember her upping her game when playing scum. Is there a game that you have played with her that gives you this impression?[/quote]


In addition to the USMB games Dragon and I have played a few games together here, on the same team, on opposing teams and as opposing multiballs. He can read me fairly well. I can read him pretty well too, however I avoid voting for him Day 1 (for the children.)

[Klingoncelt]

BBT looks Town for now.

Can you explain this? Hoping for something substantial from your slot soon...

Earlier on, when the Dragon flashwagon was rocketing ahead, I was certain that you were Scum. Now I see how you were using it for information. So now you look Townish.

[Klingoncelt]

Looks like SwordMaster is due for a prod.

[RadiantCowbells]

Bad votes are bad. This is the best you have at this point of the game?

Implying that my reads so far are, due to either being scum or poor play, inadequate.

I disagree with such an assertion.

[mykonian]

bullshit. You just want something you can argue with. Others are interested in my sincerity, you aren't.

No - I don't like empty scum-reads/vote. I'd prefer to hear the logic/sincerity behind them. This will help me with my read on you.

curious how you don't give a shit about the similar read I have on duppin.

but when it considers you, now you suddenly worry about it's sincerity.

it's plenty sincere.

[mykonian]

14 pages and I've found a townie!

:/

[Keyser Söze]

curious how you don't give a shit about the similar read I have on duppin.

I already

understand

your duppin read/votes as I have read your supporting activity on his slot (from

pre-game

,

RVS

and through-out

D1

):

vote duppin

not even rvs, his post was scummy. Aeronaut (sorry babe) is also scummy. Hmm.

vote duppin

duppin or soze. Take your pick!

Conclusion: it is a non-serious/weak-read. Your ISO lacks content/analysis/reasons.


For my vote you simply wrote:

I dislike soze's page 5 as well.

vote soze

I need to see reasons/logic behind this scum-read and vote.

[Keyser Söze]

UNVOTE: Shazam

[duppin]

Sorry guys, I have been rather busy with work.

UNVOTE: Shazam

I find the timing of your unvote curious. Care to explain why?

[Keyser Söze]

I find the timing of your unvote curious. Care to explain why?

Certainly.

This was the reason why my original vote was on him (with my added thought-process in

blue

):

You were the only person to take a different angle on voting on dragonspawn's wagon. This intrigues me:

[I thought it was an opportunistic vote (with added reachy reason) on the Dragonspawn wagon]

VOTE: Shazam

I like your earlier point.
Do you still stand by your first reason for voting dragonspawn? Or has his defensive-reactions added to your scum-read of him?

I will keep my vote on you for now, as I have an unnerving worry about your quick reply to my vote. If you are town, I hope you understand.

[I thought his quick reply to my vote on him was very suspicious. I believe it is scummy behaviour to 'spring into life' when the focus/vote is on you]

I decided to keep my vote on Shazam, and look at his play.

Since then, I have liked Shazam's efforts in analysing people's reads/reasons (I now have a

null town-lean

read on him):

This is poor. If you expect anyone to agree with you about who to vote, talk about more than your feelings. If you don't expect anyone to agree with you, why are you doing it?

[Shazam, challenging Bellaphant on her own convictions and feelings]

I don't like the PB wagon because it looks like a lurker wagon, and I generally don't like D1 lurker wagons. Those are for later days when the full body of their lurker posting can give you some info.

[Publicly announcing his thoughts on Prolapsed Brain's current wagon.

Defence noted

.]

You explained yourself how it's a misrep. There's a difference between me saying a) "defensiveness is scummy" and b) "dragon's kind of defensiveness is scummy". I clearly said b), he asked why I said a). I said that was a misrep and explained why, then restated b) in different words. He replied by saying he didn't misrep me and that a) wasn't true (as if that was somehow a counterargument).

[Firm stand on his understanding of his 'alignment indicative defense' with Aeronaut]

@all
I understand that there are some things that you wish to keep to yourselves even as town in terms of reads. But I'm seeing too much of it going on. At the very least, if you have something like this, don't bother mentioning it, and don't use it as a reason for voting someone. Find a reason that you're willing to explain to us, so that we can see why you're reading people the way you are. In other words, once you get this tell that you won't explain, iso the guy and find something you're willing to talk about.

[An invitation for constructive scum-hunting behaviour. Playing the possible 'pro-town card' - but I like his attitude.]

This question is such a blatant misrep that I almost want to vote you. You chopped off the context, and even in that one sentence you quoted, there is the phrase "this kind" that you just threw out the window with your question. If you are asking why a kind of paranoid defensiveness that causes a player to misread posts and think they're more against him than they really are is anti-town...I think it's pretty obvious. It hurts the town when someone misinterprets what everyone else is saying and gets super defensive about it because it is a) deceptive b) illogical and c) often seen as scummy. In this case, I do see it as scummy, which means it's at least anti-town if he's actually town.

[A full explanation of his belief about 'paranoid defensiveness', challenging BlueBloodedToffee's different view of defensive play]

Yet another misinterpretation of a post because he can't see past people being against him.

@duppin - what is your current read on Shazam?

[pisskop]

Votecount 1.07

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Prolapsed Brain

- (5) BlueBloodedToffee, duppin, davesaz, Bellaphant, TheCow

Dragonspawn

- (4) Sword master, Garmr, Shazam, Annadog40

davesaz

- (1) Radiant Cowbells

Keyser Söze

- (1) mykonian

garmr

- (1) Boonskiies

Bellaphant

- (1) Dragonspawn

Shazam

- (1) Aeronaut

Radiant Cowbells

- (1) FA_Q2

Not Voting:

SilverWrath, Kop, Kitty Galore, Prolapsed Brain, Klingoncelt, Keyser Söze

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With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.
Deadline is 10AUG15, (expired on 2015-08-10 17:00:00)

Kop, Sword Master, and silverwrath are being prodded

[mykonian]

this game has too many dragon votes and too few on soze/duppin

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Anna, can I interest you in a PB wagon?

[Keyser Söze]

this game has too many dragon votes and

too few on soze/duppin

Tell us why you think duppin/Keyser Söze are scum-aligned.

Simple request.

[duppin]

@duppin - what is your current read on Shazam?

Null. I thought he was slightly scummy earlier though.

SHAZAM.

Thou shalt not take my name in vain.

Making a note of what people do is defensive?

This post is, anyway.

Anna isn't easy to read because she is still a newb. She could be scum but not willing to just assume so and I see no reason to rush anything.

I think this is a response to post 90. If I'm right, you're reading it wrong and I'm not sure what to make of that.

VOTE: dragonspawn

His initial push was fairly interesting. To me it sounded like he was calling dragonspawn out for being defensive, but at this point dragonspawn was getting pressured by several people, so I do not think dragonspawn being defensive at this time was that weird.
Shazam had not brought it [dragonspawn's defensiveness to rvs] up earlier so this vote seemed a bit opportunistic.

He also stated that dragonspawn not understanding RC's post [#90] was suspicious. I wasn't certain whether that was his actual reason for voting on him or not, but he later clarified it was one of the reasons.

At first I thought this read was a bit weird, but I think he did a pretty good job of explaining exactly what he meant when he was questioned and I think it makes sense. I do not necessarily agree with his read, but I understand his logic and his interaction with you and BBT felt genuine.

[RadiantCowbells]

I like big cakes and I cannot lie

no brother can deny

when a girl comes in with some nitty gritty dessert
and some whipped cream doesn't hurt

[Bellaphant]

@myko, who is the one townie?

@Shazam, why are you attacking what is basically a play-style thing? It doesn't look like you've bothered to work out if it's anything to do with alignment, and it's no different to a bunch of people's reads. Why chose to take apart that post, in 14 pages?

[Klingoncelt]

I like big cakes and I cannot lie

no brother can deny

when a girl comes in with some nitty gritty dessert
and some whipped cream doesn't hurt

???

[Garmr]

Do you have some sort of sick and twisted post restrictions rc

[Shazam]

@myko, who is the one townie?

@Shazam, why are you attacking what is basically a play-style thing? It doesn't look like you've bothered to work out if it's anything to do with alignment, and it's no different to a bunch of people's reads. Why chose to take apart that post, in 14 pages?

If you're referring to my other post on this page, I'm trying to help someone be more constructive in their reads so that I can better determine if they or the people they are reading are mafia. So my question to you is: why are you pretending that that is the only post I've chosen to take apart in 14 pages? It's clearly not. I will only respond to those things which interest me.