Open 42 - Friends and Enemies - (Game Over) before 495

[Guardian]

Vote Count

YogurtBandit[4](Sir Tornado, Shanba, Simenon, Crub)
Simenon[1](Samruc)
Jex[1](Per)
Khelvaster[1](Jex)
Lemming1607[1](Khelvaster)
Shanba[1](Lemming1607)

Not Voting[2](YogurtBandit, EmpTyger)

[YogurtBandit]

I really dont like everyone joking around with the whole stuff.

[Shanba]

Unvote: Samruc

I don’t like Lemming or Shanba. Actually, I don’t like Lemming *and* Shanba. They’re both trying way too hard.

Mm, quite possibly true. I've never tried being quite so random before, so it probably came out quite forced. As you can see, this is nothing like my normal playstyle.

YB, while I may have been joking around, I was quite serious about my votes both on you and on Emptyger. I want you to explain what you meant in that earlier post and also why you've just given a rough parrot of what Empy said.

[Lemming1607]

well now that we're out of joke vote stage

UNVOTE: Shanba

[Samruc]

Unvote: Samruc

I don’t like Lemming or Shanba. Actually, I don’t like Lemming *and* Shanba. They’re both trying way too hard.

Mm, quite possibly true. I've never tried being quite so random before, so it probably came out quite forced. As you can see, this is nothing like my normal playstyle.

YB, while I may have been joking around, I was quite serious about my votes both on you and on Emptyger. I want you to explain what you meant in that earlier post and also why you've just given a rough parrot of what Empy said.

Something is out of place with this post, but I'm not sure what. One, this feels far too defensive from what isn't even a real attack, and two, apparently you aren't "trying to be random", since you based both your votes on something serious.

FoS: Shanba

And I want Yogurt to answer too, his FoS on Simenon is completely unintelligible.

[Shanba]

Where did I ever state I was trying to be random? Also, how can you not know what is out of place when you state that you can see what is out of place?

[Samruc]

Where did I ever state I was trying to be random?

I've never tried being quite so random before, so it probably came out quite forced.

Also, something is out of place when you say that you are trying to be random, then say you are serious.

[Shanba]

/egg on my face

Yeah, that was kinda a big mess up. However, my votes were never random. Just the stuff that accompanied them. I made clear at the time when I explained my votes that they weren't random, but I didn't make particularly clear what I did mean was random, and for that I apologise. The random stuff about voting as many people as possible in oredr to look back after the game and say I told you so was the random stuff.

Anyway. You didn't answer my second question.

[Jex]

unvote, vote crub

for being opportunistic and being 4th on the YB bandwagon.

[Crub]

OMGUS!

unvote;vote Jex

For being scum

[EmpTyger]

Sir T:
Participate or ask for replacement. Or be lynched. This is not acceptable.


Khelv:
Likewise, except your options seem to be participate or be lynched.


Simenon:
What are your current thoughts about Shanba?

[Simenon]

If I thought he was scum I wouldn't be wagonning with him.

[Lemming1607]

If I thought he was scum I wouldn't be wagonning with him.

WIFOM

[EmpTyger]

I'm serious.

Vote: Sir Tornado

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[Sir Tornado]

I favour YB lynch at the moment. He's on my list of persons to not allow to live until endgame because he's very difficult to get a read on (He always seems to be scummy to me), and I am following this strategy henceforth in all games I am in with YB (this is because I have lost 2 endgames with YB, and both of us were town on both the occasions)

I don't find Lemming's and Shanba's exchanging all that alarming. This is mainly because I avoid such outrageous interactions with my scum buddies when I am scum this early in the game. It serves absolutely no purpose except linking both of you subconsciously in the town's collective mind.

[Shanba]

I favour YB lynch at the moment. He's on my list of persons to not allow to live until endgame because he's very difficult to get a read on (He always seems to be scummy to me), and I am following this strategy henceforth in all games I am in with YB (this is because I have lost 2 endgames with YB, and both of us were town on both the occasions)

Urgh. I dun like this argument here too much. Your reason for wanting to lynch him is weak (you don't even think he's scum, necessarily) and you coincedntally want the player wiht the most votes to be lynched.

Unvote, Vote SirT

I don't find Lemming's and Shanba's exchanging all that alarming. This is mainly because I avoid such outrageous interactions with my scum buddies when I am scum this early in the game. It serves absolutely no purpose except linking both of you subconsciously in the town's collective mind.

This here is WIFOM. It's WIFOM which in this case is true, but it's still WIFOM.

[Sir Tornado]

Urgh. I dun like this argument here too much. Your reason for wanting to lynch him is weak (you don't even think he's scum, necessarily) and you coincedntally want the player wiht the most votes to be lynched. Unvote, Vote SirT

You do realize that I voted for YB

before

any one else voted, don't you? At that time, he had zero votes on him.

And, no, that is not WIFOM. You can generally label any hypothetical case as WIFOM in mafia, which they are not.

[Shanba]

Urgh. I dun like this argument here too much. Your reason for wanting to lynch him is weak (you don't even think he's scum, necessarily) and you coincedntally want the player wiht the most votes to be lynched. Unvote, Vote SirT

You do realize that I voted for YB

before

any one else voted, don't you? At that time, he had zero votes on him.

Actually, I didn't.

Unvote Vote: YB

Sorry.

And, no, that is not WIFOM. You can generally label any hypothetical case as WIFOM in mafia, which they are not.

Meh. Care to explain why?

[Sir Tornado]

They are not WIFOM, because you expect the scum to follow general pattern in their behaviour. Tracking down those patterns is a very good way to hunt scum. So, how do you distinguish a scum tell from something that looks suspicious, but is actually not suspicious?

You try to put yourself in the scum's shoes and ask yourself whether you would do such a thing as scum. Almost everything the scum does, they do to gain some sort of advantage. There are many things, especially in the first few pages which get labeled as scummy, but when you think about it a bit further, there is no reason for scum to do those supposedly scummy things; they don't get any benefit out of it.

If you and Lemming were scum, I really don't see what you would gain by doing whatever you did. I am not saying you are not scum; what I am saying is that I won't label both of you as scum because of that interaction alone.

[Shanba]

That's actually a pretty fair assessment. I like your logic a lot, now I understand it. I often feel people label things as scummy when they aren't necessarily.

[Sir Tornado]

Unvote

Vote: Shanba

You are agreeing too much with me. Plus, I don't like the way you let me off for crap reasoning to justify my vote for YB.

[Shanba]

I assumed your vote for YB was a random vote, given your explanation.

[Sir Tornado]

I clearly stated that it was

not

random when I voted YB.

[Lemming1607]

can we get a vote count please?

[EmpTyger]

Sir T:

You do realize that I voted for YB

before

any one else voted, don't you? At that time, he had zero votes on him.

Absolutely. But you maintained your vote on him until he hit lynch-2 without ever explaining your reasoning. You kept an opportunistic silence while posting elsewhere on the site multiple times per day. Which is not to say that you’re wrong about Shanba’s lack of talent at distancing, but next time explain it to your mafia partner by a pregame PM.

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Lemming:
The mod is placing vote counts at the top of each page (ie every 25 posts). Which this post of mine will induce. So, what’s your new excuse for not contributing?