Blitz 1: C9++ (GAME OVER!)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

better chance of going through

Interesting. So it's more about the opportunity to lynch, and less about actually scumreading someone?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

"Coaching" isn't a thing

Are you.... fucking stupid? Or just scum? I'm not even going to dignify that with an rebuttal. Just because you want to say something "isn't a thing" doesn't make it true lmfao....

Also Firebringer may be an obnoxious moron but that doesn't mean he's scum.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I smell a chainsaw.

[OceanWind]

Ranger's latest posts are a lot better then her previous ones. Firebringer's have only gotten worse.

Playing well as town is about coordinating with the rest of the town to lynch whichever of your scumreads that you can lynch. It's not about sitting on a vanity wagon and hoping it goes through. You've clearly been playing mafia long enough to know this.

[Persivul]

There's already a player at L-2 (Ythan). There are 3 other wagons, with a total of 6 players for you to "urge to choose a wagon. Even excluding your preferred wagon, that's still 3 - besides ranger, me and flubber. But you don't bother talking to either me or flubber. Just Ranger.

So.... yeah. That's coaching, as opposed to encouraging people to consolidate.

First note that Ythan is at L-1. There's an error in the VC.

1426 - I pushed the person with no vote at 17 hours

1440 - I pushed the person with a lone vote at 12 hours.

See the progression?

If you and flubber are still on a 2-person wagon in a few hours, yes, I'll push you as well.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

So many scum, so little time.

Town
{Prohawk, Kraeg, Kop}

Maybe town
{Flubbernugget, Ythan}

Meh...?
{Firebringer, Marge}

Maybe Scum
{Ranger}

Scum
{Persivul, Ocean}

Ranger's latest posts are a lot better then her previous ones. Firebringer's have only gotten worse.

Playing well as town is about coordinating with the rest of the town to lynch whichever of your scumreads that you can lynch. It's not about sitting on a vanity wagon and hoping it goes through. You've clearly been playing mafia long enough to know this.

So you're telling me there was zero support for a Ranger lynch? Despite screaming for his head for two days? You're not even going to bother pushing your strongest scumread?

Because... I'm pretty sure there was plenty of support, but the moment interest in Firebringer came up, you switched. That tells me that your interest in lynching Ranger isn't as strong as you'd like us all to believe it is.

[Persivul]

3) Failing to have any real reads, e.g. supposedly scumreading Marge on D1 but not interacting with her at all, whatsoever.

Wow, now you're reaching to the point of outright, demonstrable lies.

110 114 117 230 232 233 235 for starters. Anyone can do a double ISO of us and see more.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I'm not the only one who pointed it out, so clearly I'm not the only one with that impression.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I'm going to assume that everything else in the case is correct then since that was your only response lol...

weak.

[OceanWind]

So you're telling me there was zero support for a Ranger lynch? Despite screaming for his head for two days? You're not even going to bother pushing your strongest scumread?

Because... I'm pretty sure there was plenty of support, but the moment interest in Firebringer came up, you switched. That tells me that your interest in lynching Ranger isn't as strong as you'd like us all to believe it is.

The Ranger wagon wasn't taking off. Ranger's latest posts were a lot better than her earlier ones which made me second guess my read and not want to pursue her at that time.

I've never "screamed for Ranger's head." That was me explaining to a reading-comprehension disabled Flubbernugget over and over again why I thought Ranger's whiteknighting was scummy because he was that type of player who needed it explained again and again.

[Persivul]

Interesting. So it's more about the opportunity to lynch, and less about actually scumreading someone?

There's more than one scum, and people do or should have more than one scum read. If deadline's approaching, your top scum read doesn't have a viable wagon, but your second or third scum read does have a wagon going, you move your vote. I daresay someone does this in 99% of mafia games. You're so caught up in your tunnel vision conf bias that you're completely misinterpreting really common practices.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I love this double-teaming defense from scum. It's just beautiful.

[Persivul]

I'm going to assume that everything else in the case is correct then since that was your only response lol...

weak.

The rest has been discussed

ad nauseam

and you're well aware of that.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

tunnel vision conf bias

Pretty sure you're going to flip scum, so is it confbias at that point, or just damn good scum hunting?

[Persivul]

Here's ETL's progression from reading Ocean as town and defending him against Titus, to voting him "because Titus said to."

Town
{OceanWind, Ythan, Kraeg, Flubber}

Maybe Town
{ProHawk, Vonflare}

Unknown
{Firebringer, Kop, Marge}

Maybe Scum
{Persivul, Firebringer, Ranger}

Scum
{Titus}

p-edit: Yeah but that's where skill comes into play - being able to tell the difference.

p-edit: Ocean's response to your nonsense was pretty good, Titus. You always go "I caught scum" and it's annoying to people who aren't actually scum. I've been on the receiving end of it and it makes me want to bitchslap you, and I saw the same reaction from Ocean.

p-edit: Kop kop. Sorry kop I've got a honey all my own already

p-edit: STAHP.

@ETL, Can I have a tiered readslist from you?

I already posted it, though it's out of date now and I've changed my mind on most everyone.

Ocean's town though, you are wrong there. Know how I know?

There's a post in his ISO where he's all indignant "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY WHEN YOU FIND OUT I'M TOWN ARGH" and it came out very genuine imo.

VOTE: ocean

VOTE: ythan

UNVOTE:

voted ocean because Titus said to.

voted ythan for something he said I don't remember now but I'll find it when I'm not mobile.

unvoted after his exchange with firebringer and carry over read from yesterday.

VOTE: ocean

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Do you think I'm scum? Or are you just making noise because your buddy is getting attacked for being scummy?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Chainsaw Defense
^ Since I'm pretty sure you have no idea you're actually doing it so blatantly.

[Persivul]

Do you think I'm scum?

I'm heading in that direction. You went from Ocean as a town read to voting ocean because a dead player - who you wagoned - said to.

I'm pretty sure that if I did the same thing you'd see it as scummy as all hell.

[Persivul]

Chainsaw Defense
^ Since I'm pretty sure you have no idea you're actually doing it so blatantly.

I'm pretty sure you should have actually read the link:

UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum (once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized). Otherwise, it is a null tell.

[Persivul]

Town
{Prohawk, Kraeg, Kop}

Maybe town
{Flubbernugget, Ythan}

Interesting that your three town reads took one of your Maybe town reads from L-4 to L-1, but you're not reevaluating your reads on them.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Do you think I'm scum?

I'm heading in that direction. You went from Ocean as a town read to voting ocean because a dead player - who you wagoned - said to.

I'm pretty sure that if I did the same thing you'd see it as scummy as all hell.

I never townread Ocean.....?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Chainsaw Defense
^ Since I'm pretty sure you have no idea you're actually doing it so blatantly.

I'm pretty sure you should have actually read the link:

UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum (once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized). Otherwise, it is a null tell.

Awesome. So let's flip Ocean and see what happens.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Town
{Prohawk, Kraeg, Kop}

Maybe town
{Flubbernugget, Ythan}

Interesting that your three town reads took one of your Maybe town reads from L-4 to L-1, but you're not reevaluating your reads on them.

What...? I should reevaluate my townreads when they don't agree with me?

[Persivul]

Town

{

OceanWind

, Ythan, Kraeg, Flubber}

Maybe Town
{ProHawk, Vonflare}

Unknown
{Firebringer, Kop, Marge}

Maybe Scum
{Persivul, Firebringer, Ranger}

Scum
{Titus}

p-edit: Yeah but that's where skill comes into play - being able to tell the difference.

p-edit:

Ocean's response to your nonsense was pretty good, Titus. You always go "I caught scum" and it's annoying to people who aren't actually scum. I've been on the receiving end of it and it makes me want to bitchslap you, and I saw the same reaction from Ocean.

p-edit: Kop kop. Sorry kop I've got a honey all my own already

p-edit: STAHP.

Do you think I'm scum?

I'm heading in that direction. You went from Ocean as a town read to voting ocean because a dead player - who you wagoned - said to.

I'm pretty sure that if I did the same thing you'd see it as scummy as all hell.

I never townread Ocean

.....?

Emphasis added.

LOL - you can't keep your lies straight. Your username is apt: I'm tired of your crap - especially the lies.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: ETL

I'm willing to move back to FB if that wagon gains some traction.

[Persivul]

Since you're fond of wiki links:

Lynch All Liars