Open 42 - Friends and Enemies - (Game Over) before 495

[Guardian]

Mod Post: Vote Count

Sir Tornado[3](Shanba, Crub, Sammich)
Crub[3](Jex, ChaosOmega, Simenon)
Lemming1607[1](Per)


Not Voting[4](AlSleet, Samruc, Lemming1607, Sir Tornado)

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I like deadlines... I'll give you a week or so before considering one, since so many players have needed replacement, but I do expect continued content .

[AlSleet]

Hi everyone. It's been kinda a busy couple of days, but I'm gonna try to get a quick readthrough done in a few hours. Just wanted everyone to know I'm not ditching.

[Crub]

Crub: Adds no suspicions at all except for a vote at Sir T. I can't tell why this vote was placed. He didn't talk Sir T out of policy lynching, rather "can empathise with Sir T over it". Then he shrugs off Jex's comment, instead of trying to answer.

FoS: Crub

Jex has got a bone to pick with me because I random bandwagon'ed someone to L-2 during the random voting stage, and then OMGUS'ed her for voting me for it

And she says I was being opportunistic and lurking :0

What more do you want me to say?

Get some more votes on me so you can lynch Simenon tomorrow when I turn up town

unvote, vote simenon

[Sir Tornado]

Has anyone played with Simenon before? Is this how he normally plays?

[Sammich]

I don't know.
Does it really matter upon his playing style?

[Lemming1607]

I don't like it when people vote for people because of voting styles. When I was a newbie my style changed every game because I learned alot from every game. Just because someone changes up their style isn't a scumtell, and if they're acting scummy then playstyle shouldn't be an excuse for scummy behavior

[Sammich]

Unvote; Vote Crub

I don't think you're really town, and I didn't really like how you claimed you were town and we could all "Lynch Simenon the next day".
If you turn up town then we can all assure that someone on this bandwagon is scum.

[Jex]

I'm glad people are finally looking at crub. And what bone is it I have to pick all of a sudden? I have no bone. I don't like your reactions in the game or the way that you tend to ignore pressure. I think you are scum.

If for some odd reason you were to turn up town, why would you assume simenon is the mafia on the bandwagon? Just curious.

As for Sir T - I definitely understand the bandwagon forming on him as well. I don't like his comment on the "policy lynch" but I semi understand it. There are always those players that you just can never get a read on no matter what, and YB is one of those (at least in my experience). I still don't think YB should be lynched because of this though. I also don't see this comment as enough to lynch Sir T quite yet. I'm keeping my eye on him though.

[Simenon]

Crub should die.

[AlSleet]

Sorry for my delay.

Well, it looks like YB put in a little bit of a bad position, but whatever.

This game is pretty complicated and sometimes confusing but I did notice a few interesting things. Like early on, page 3 or 4 I think, Shanba and Sir T got into a small argument and even voted each other, but that looked like it sort of fizzled. They also haven't interacted with each other since that I've seen, perhaps this is some connection?

Also, I find it pretty interesting that the last three posters are all in complete agreement with each other in going against Crub on what I feel is substandard evidence.

Those are my thoughts at the present, I don't feel comfortable putting on a vote yet, but I'm sure I will soon after I've seen some responses.

[Sammich]

Meh. I wasn't looking for Jex and Simenon to get on the subject of Crub after my vote.

[Jex]

Well...I've been on crub since the begining so it only makes sense for me to continue until I see someone else acting scummier...which I don't yet.

[Crub]

Lets put all our eggs in one basket so that when I do turn up town, you all look scummy for pushing me for my random votes

Short-sighted determination and refusal to even consider that I am not scum = losing formula for town. (If your town and voting me that is If your scum and voting me go ahead )

[Simenon]

[Lemming1607]

ok so far I think the scummiest person is Simenon. He hasn't made a case for anyone, and has been hoping on other people's thinking without giving any reasons for voting himself.

VOTE: Simenon

It's like a semi-lurker that just agrees with everyone.

If I thought he was scum I wouldn't be wagonning with him.

This sums it up nicely. Emp had to ask him why he was voting, and he still didn't give a reason other than "think he's scum"

They might. They also, assuming the masons are all playing with a hint of intelligence, shouldn't know whether I'm a mason or not by N1.

In a game where the only power roles are masons, are you suggesting that the masons will be challenging to pick out?

Unvote
Vote YogurtBandit

This is my favorite one. "Emp why are you being weird VOTE SOMEONE ELSE AND BANDWAGON WITH EVERYONE ELSE"

Unvote
Vote SirT

Unvote
Vote Crub

Crub should die.

Are we seriously going to ignore this kind of behavior? Even if it's metagaming, scumtells are scumtells, and bandwagoning on everyone else's thoughts and not providing reasons for votes is scummy

[Sir Tornado]

Crub = scum.

And, he tried to scum link me early on in the game in his opinion about YB bandwagon. Jex seems to do more or less the same thing in post 157.

[Sir Tornado]

Oh yeah, and

Vote: Crub

[Crub]

Crub = scum.

And, he tried to scum link me early on in the game in his opinion about YB bandwagon. Jex seems to do more or less the same thing in post 157.

The difference between you and me is when I turn up town my case against you and simenon = win

[Sir Tornado]

There is a small problem with your case. You have to turn up town first, which I don't think you will. Your post 162 reeks of scuminess.

[Sir Tornado]

Unvote

I somehow missed the Jex and CO votes on Crub.

Why are you voting Crub?

[Crub]

Unvote

I somehow missed the Jex and CO votes on Crub.

Why are you voting Crub?

It boils down to me random voting YB to L-2 and then OMGUS'ing Jex when she made a big deal out of it.

[Sir Tornado]

rub, in your 164, you say "Scum tells are scum tells" with regards to posts by Simenon. May I ask you where exactly did you find scum tells in Sim's play?

[Simenon]

Lemming can be next.

[Lemming1607]

There is a small problem with your case. You have to turn up town first, which I don't think you will. Your post 162 reeks of scuminess.

Unvote

I somehow missed the Jex and CO votes on Crub.

Why are you voting Crub?

Explain to me how Crub is most definitely scum, and then you unvote when other people voted him, and you want to know why? That makes no sense.

I clearly explained the scumtells in my post. Bandwagoning with other people with no explanation, or using the explanation of, "I agree with other people." It's parroting and doesn't contribute at all. Scum can easily just use other people's reasoning to vote someone.

[Sammich]

Lemming can be next.

Next for what?