Blitz 24: Great Idea Mafia

[lilith2013]

Ugh you voted me before I could vote you first. It's on.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[lilith2013]

fight me!

Okay let's go

[lilith2013]

forthwith.

I challenge you.. to a lightsaber duel.

[lilith2013]

Scum, eh? En garde! Feel the bite of my noble rapier! (Which so happens to be green, thanks)

[lilith2013]

My name is Inigo Montoya, and you killed my father. Now prepare to die!

[lilith2013]

Stop saying what?

[lilith2013]

Pinkie promise, RC.

[lilith2013]

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[lilith2013]

{lane}
{RadiantCowbells}
{Xtoxm}
{Some Random Mafia Player}
{itlepip, lilith2013}
{GuiltyLion}

Why is GL at the end of the list? He has literally said "First" and "let's see who has the hairy chest."

[lilith2013]

So?

So... I'm asking what about it makes you put him at the end of the list.

[lilith2013]

Do you find that unlikely..?

[lilith2013]

Yeah, there's a oneshot unlynchable townie and oneshot unlynchable alien

[lilith2013]

Ugh stop. You know I'm not. Like I am ridiculously easy to read as scum, which is why I hate playing it so much.

[lilith2013]

About?

[lilith2013]

Hmm..

I do feel like you are being honest in that you claimed in order to be able to survive N1. And then you retracted the claim because ?? you decided you didn't want to have to pretend you were a survivor?? However, I can't tell what alignment this is coming from. There's a reason you would do this as all 3, but I feel like you might actually do this as survivor in order to throw us off the scent, so to speak.

[lilith2013]

You know I can't read you, gut or otherwise.

[lilith2013]

uh.... scum?

[lilith2013]

uh.... scum?

Why aren't you pushing RC then?

let us do our thing

*cries*

what are you doing..

[lilith2013]

I don't think I trust you townreading me this early, GL.

[lilith2013]

like you read all of my town games and people are like "urgh we should trust RC because he's been so pro-town but I have this gut read that he's scum"
whereas I'm scum and people are like "oh he changed his claim 3 times but I feel like he's definitely town this game"

it's pretty funny.

if you were scum, would you claim to townread me or scumread me here and why?

probably townread because you always see right through my fake scumreads on you.

[lilith2013]

Millers claim Miller early cause of they get investigated its kind of sketchy then

but its also an excuse to be investigated as mafia...

er.. wouldn't they claim miller afterwards though? the point of claiming is so that the cop doesn't investigate you.

[lilith2013]

I don't think people generally policy lynch millers..?

[lilith2013]

tf???? I think am townie af, what exactly is pinging you?

[lilith2013]

that's fair. I was before, I think, until you asked me for my gut read.

[lilith2013]

Now I'm not sure.

[lilith2013]

Well that's sort of weird to me because you've been letting me ask all the questions and the focus has seemed to be on helping me read you.
If you're uncertain about your read on me, where do we go from there?

town!lilith was pretty passive in Word Sneak mafia

I wanted to pour syrup on a lot of her posts

it's because I generally suck D1 okay.

[lilith2013]

I mean this is great idea which is multiball so whether I'm scum or not associatives will be thrown out of whack and flips won't be as useful for determining my alignment.

Do you say that you suck D1 because of lack of content or because of lack of flips?

Both. I am really bad at reading people, particularly on D1.

[lilith2013]

Ugh I think I need to clear my head a bit. I'll be back later and hopefully be able to do things then.

[lilith2013]

fwiw that kind of *ugh why is this happening!* into disengaging is exactly what she did when she rolled scum in chatmafia.

when she was town she was really forceful about convincing me that she was town too, although that may be a difference in meta between chat and forum.

To be clear, it is precisely that I was feeling disengaged from the conversation that I feel like I needed to walk away and come back later with a fresh mind in order to process and ask questions properly.

Do you mind explaining why you want to policy lynch Ranger for not specifying miller vs. universal miller?

[lilith2013]

Idk.

RC talk to me some more?

[lilith2013]

Idk.

RC talk to me some more?

Why do you want RC to talk to you some more? Do you feel safer in a 1v1?

RC said your disengage in 141 is a scum tell. Your explanation in 147 doesn't explain why 141 wasn't scummy. You don't need to announce that you're not posting for awhile, so doing so feels like self-conscious scum.

I definitely feel less overwhelmed trying to read one person versus trying to read everyone, so if that's what you mean by "safer," then yes.

As to your second--we were in the middle of a conversation and my brain basically refused to produce anything. Next time I'll be sure to disappear in order to seem less self-conscious, if that makes you happy. Like ??? I don't get where you're coming from with this, really.

[lilith2013]

So basically you're saying our cop should out themselves D2 with a single result on you? For all intents and purposes sacrificing themselves for you.

[lilith2013]

I really doubt anyone is going to get behind lynching lane today.

[lilith2013]

Well if he's a fruit vendor he should be able to prove it by sending one of us fruit?

[lilith2013]

Oh.

Are fruit vendors generally weak?

[lilith2013]

Rc should give me fruit tonight. Trust me guys. Can't explain it right now. Just give whatever to me rc

Is this going to be helpful in some way? Or do you also just want the fruit?

[lilith2013]

GL, how are you so certain there's one scum between itle and Persivul?

[lilith2013]

Or I guess it could be two since you didn't specify one

[lilith2013]

So do you still think RC is scum?

What makes me seem town to you?

[lilith2013]

But the rest of my ISO is crap??

Personally I feel like you're usually better at being proactive in engaging people and scumhunting, which I'm not really feeling from you here.

But I also would expect your scumplay to be a lot better than this, like I was solidly townreading scum!you in EIAL2 until the whole thing with your claim.

[lilith2013]

the fact that RC doesn't question Persivul for saying basically the exact same thing that I said is a bit confusing

also I feel town!RC should have recognized that itlepip's vote here is abjectly terrible

Can you explain the first part? What did you say that Persivul also said that RC questioned you about but not him?

[lilith2013]

Sigh.

UNVOTE:

[lilith2013]

He says he gets cleared plus doc'd and it's an easy win. He Knows its unlikely there's both if even 1. Like I said, he's not dumb...

VOTE: rc for 2 fake Gambits gone wrong

He's not dumb. So do you really think he wouldn't have thought the gambit through to its conclusion if he were scum?? Are you even considering this from all angles? Like you're just confirmation biasing your opinion right now.

[lilith2013]

The plan doesn't make sense, so why would he do it as town? I don't like what he's doing, it feels like a scum gambit.

VOTE: RC

Also this wagon hopping is shady af. You only notice this as soon as RC's wagon picks up?

[lilith2013]

Okay, sure.

VOTE: xtoxm

[lilith2013]

I can't even tell if I don't want RC lynched because I'm townreading him or because I just want to be contrary but that wagon is gross.

[lilith2013]

No, I moved because the wagon picked up. I've not liked what's he's done all game.

So why didn't you mention it before??

Lilith, what do you think of RC saying a cop should out?

(And this kind of applies to lane's question too)
It was a stupid thing to say but if you consider the general self-centeredness of the things he says (sorry RC) I don't think it's that terrible. Like I think he genuinely believes a cop should claim so he can survive to D2 which is pretty ridiculous and I would very much advise the cop if we have one from doing so. But again, considering the things RC says I don't think it's staggeringly scummy.

[lilith2013]

He says he gets cleared plus doc'd and it's an easy win. He Knows its unlikely there's both if even 1. Like I said, he's not dumb...

VOTE: rc for 2 fake Gambits gone wrong

He's not dumb. So do you really think he wouldn't have thought the gambit through to its conclusion if he were scum?? Are you even considering this from all angles? Like you're just confirmation biasing your opinion right now.

He's not dumb. So why do you think he's town, that tried a fake survivor gambit, and then it's trying to control a cop. And then assuming there's even a cop or doc in the first place. And then trying to get the cop to claim for absolutely no reason? He's not dumb. Hes playing dumb.

How do you explain his play since you agree he's not dumb? Do you think he's town playing smartly?

I have to think about this some more, but I really do not like the wagon that just happened, regardless of RC's alignment. Both speed and general ick factor are clanging my alarm bells.

[lilith2013]

You're forgetting, Lilith, that with 4 potential scumteams and a claimed miller that a cop isn't actually a particularly useful role in this setup.
Only mafia would be particularly inclined to night kill a cop, and the main reason they'd do that at this point is to try to get me lynched.

Point taken.

[lilith2013]

Xtox's for me. For being opportunistic and not attempting to push you at all before this and general non-involvement in this game followed by a sudden urge to hop on wagons.

[lilith2013]

@xtox: I said yours is particularly bad. But the wagon in general is just gross.

I was never

strongly

scumreading RC. It was mostly a bunch of waffle on my part and I even admitted that I am not good at reading him.

The momentum is bad. I don't see this wagon as a town one. Like if more people had been pushing RC before this and decided to vote him because deadline I would feel less gross.

And GL, yes, I see your points, but that doesn't make me feel any more charitable towards him. I suppose I'll move my vote somewhere useful though. Let me check the VC.

[lilith2013]

@persivul: what's your current read on itlepip?

[lilith2013]

@persivul: what's your current read on itlepip?

I can and will repeatedly quote myself until you answer.

[lilith2013]

I don't give a shit if you're town or not if you're voting me to be honest.

[lilith2013]

It's an RC mindset. I don't think it's alignment-indicative.

[lilith2013]

Hey lane, when you say you're an rc enabler, do you mean your role PM specifically said you enabled RC, without telling you what he was?

[lilith2013]

Felt like he was trying to buddy me a little bit.

[lilith2013]

Felt like he was trying to buddy me a little bit.

And...?

And I don't really have a solid read on him because I usually don't D1?

But he buddied me in our last game and I also am a bit wary of how quickly he supported your push on GL so I might lean scum a very tiny bit.

[lilith2013]

Because I wanted to see if your read had changed? It's me trying to read you.

How did you feel about itle supporting your GL push?

[lilith2013]

RC, do you think I'm town?

[lilith2013]

And no other reason, persivul?

[lilith2013]

It's an RC mindset. I don't think it's alignment-indicative.

There is truth to this. RC brags about his scum game, and he's good at being scum in part because he's gotten people used to his town game containing significant anti-town elements. When people say

yeah, that's generally scummy, but it's normal for RC

he's going to have a pretty easy time as scum.

I don't get how this is relevant to the game. Do you have an issue with me saying things are null for RC? Do you think they're not null? Why?

[lilith2013]

Why should I allow myself to be mislynched by idiots when my role is potentially confirmable?

You claim that you've never been mislynched D1, and you weren't close to being lynched when you called for the cop to out. So, no, you didn't do so because you were afraid of being mislynched.

Pretty sure he was L1.

[lilith2013]

And no other reason, persivul?

That was the initial reason. His reaction - calling for the lynch of everyone on his wagon - was terrible, particularly with regard to lane, as I've already noted.

How is this terrible?

We've already discussed that this is an RC thing that is NAI and you even agreed.

[lilith2013]

How was it terrible?*

[lilith2013]

How is this terrible?

Are you reading what I'm saying? You don't seem to be, as I've already said that IMO lane is obvtown, and lane was on that wagon, so your question is already answered. xtox's vote was opportunistic but he's been inactive so voting him would be policy. I had been on itlepip and GL, both of which are viable, so I had no incentive as scum to move to a completely new wagon. Calling for all our deaths is therefore terrible.

Are you reading what you're saying? We had this conversation.

I don't give a shit if you're town or not if you're voting me to be honest.

I don't give a shit if you're town or not if you're voting me to be honest.

Do you think that's a town mindset lilith?

It's an RC mindset. I don't think it's alignment-indicative.

It's an RC mindset. I don't think it's alignment-indicative.

There is truth to this.

RC brags about his scum game, and he's good at being scum in part because he's gotten people used to his town game containing significant anti-town elements. When people say

yeah, that's generally scummy, but it's normal for RC

he's going to have a pretty easy time as scum.

Is this not you agreeing that the whole thing is NAI? Why are you turning around and now saying that it's a scummy reaction?

And you had plenty of incentive to hop on the RC wagon. In fact, if it weren't for my unvote shortly prior, you would have been the hammer. Instead you put him at L-1, after momentum on your other two wagons (GL and itle) had slowed down.

[lilith2013]

I can't even tell if I don't want RC lynched because I'm townreading him or because I just want to be contrary but that wagon is gross.

I really do not like the wagon that just happened, regardless of RC's alignment. Both speed and general ick factor are clanging my alarm bells.

[lilith2013]

I thought he was at L-1, which is why I unvoted so quickly. Not sure why I thought that, I guess the votes confused me.

Of course I think one scum faction would be trying to get another lynched?? Is that not something you want to happen? The other consideration is that I know as scum RC loves to bus, so even if RC is scum, there would likely be someone of his own faction on that wagon.

Again, already had this conversation--general self-centeredness in RC's posts is NAI, I think he genuinely believes what he's saying.

[lilith2013]

I said regardless of RC's alignment--so I'm saying he's not confirmed town to me just because his wagon happened so quickly. I'm saying I think it's a bad wagon regardless of whether RC is scum or not.

[lilith2013]

Um... Did I say I was townreading him?

[lilith2013]

No, my unvote says I am not confident that RC is scum (I never was, and this is not the same thing as explicitly townreading).

[lilith2013]

I guess I'm leaning that way now, yeah, but really, that wagon's momentum changed direction so suddenly that I immediately became wary of it.

[lilith2013]

Where are you going with these questions--are you trying to persuade me that RC is scum, or are you trying to read me, or what?

[lilith2013]

Lane, who are you scumreading and who are you townreading?

[lilith2013]

Is this not you agreeing that the whole thing is NAI? Why are you turning around and now saying that it's a scummy reaction?

No, it was a general observation that it's difficult to sort RC because he's deliberately developed an ant-town meta.

Why did you spend so much time with him in early game if you're now just going to turn around and say that nothing he does is alignment indicative?

I am saying him being self-centered is NAI because it's part of his personality. Me trying to read him early game isn't based off anything game-related necessarily, it's me trying to understand where he's coming from.

And you had plenty of incentive to hop on the RC wagon. In fact, if it weren't for my unvote shortly prior, you would have been the hammer. Instead you put him at L-1, after momentum on your other two wagons (GL and itle) had slowed down.

Bullshit, he was L-3 when I voted him and no more viable than other wagons.

Lane moved to RC after leaving the GL wagon. Xtox left the itle wagon to vote RC. The momentum was clearly moving away from them.

Your defense of RC is moving beyond town trying to find the truth...

Are you trying to insinuate that RC and I are scum together?

Pedit: okay, you are.

Let me be clear: my vote on RC was from

RVS

. Like idk what you want me to say about that. I deliberately reached out to RC and engaged with him, that is not limiting my interactions. I was never actually scumreading RC seriously. I don't know how many times I can say this.

[lilith2013]

I can't even tell if I don't want RC lynched because I'm townreading him or because I just want to be contrary but that wagon is gross.

Hello?

[lilith2013]

Hello

Like you're not even going to read or respond to what I'm saying?

[lilith2013]

I have said multiple times--I'm terrible D1. At both reading and hunting.

[lilith2013]

IT WAS AN RVS VOTE

[lilith2013]

What else do you want from me????

[lilith2013]

Lane, who are you scumreading and who are you townreading?

[lilith2013]

So you're implying that I remember Ranger's stance because it's on Lilith because she's my scumbuddy instead of because she actually took stances?
The fuck is that logic?

No, I was just pointing it out to get a reaction.

What's one stance that SRMP took?

I read his ISO earlier today and it was so null that I didn't bother commenting.

That's such a horrible misrep since it's a blitz game and she never really got into it until now and she's been scumhunting like crazy today.

She defended me in a situation where there was absolutely no scum motivation to do so.

I disagree that it's a misrep, but in this case I don't think it's scummy. Her reactions feel genuine.

JFC were you just trying to get a reaction out of me?

[lilith2013]

I hate that shit. If you want to be able to read me, just ask me genuine questions. I am not hard to read whatsoever.

[lilith2013]

And you should consider that if RC and I WERE scumbuddies, there is no way we would be townreading and defending each other so much. Like, idk if you've played with scum!RC. I haven't and I still know how much he loves to bus as scum.

[lilith2013]

Lane, who are you scumreading and who are you townreading?

Ive already given every person their very own post of how I'm reading them. If anythings changed, I've mentioned it.

Can you just like condense it into a list like Ranger does but not with the brackets. Pretty please?

[lilith2013]

Lilith pls stop thinking that Persy's scumhunting you because he thinks you're scum.

I scum hunt because I don't know who is scum. In a blitz game that can go on up until pretty close to deadline. Again, lilith reacted well - she didn't panic, or deflect, or omgus.

p-edit: yes, I was going for reactions.

I hate that shit. If you want to be able to read me, just ask me genuine questions. I am not hard to read whatsoever.

Iso time. Not much sticks out besides the vote in ranger while talking about how he wouldn't policy lynch a miller, and also giving no reasons for the vote besides sheeping.

Doesn't sit too well with me... Hmm... Let's see what else is out there

That's all about Guiltylion

Itelpip

Can't put my finger on it, but I don't like it

Lilith,

Not a whole lot of interaction with anyone besides rc. Not a lot of noticeable attempts to sort anything whatsoever.

Not liking her

Percival.

I also wonder why no one cares about the fake claim. Comes in stirs it up with rc. Also doesn't like itel, and is even able to put it in words...

Townish

Rc,

Not a fan of the game claim, and I'm REALLY not a fan of asking for investigative when it will just show not mafia supposedly. I'm not familiar with all the possible roles in this game but if anyone is is really like to know what the heck rc is talking about? Or just another gambit.

Would vote

Randy.

Reads list shows transparency, however without reasons, it's kind of sketchy. Supposed Miller. Possibly hiding behind that to not give reasons. Will die eventually?

xtoxm not rvsing in his first post is odd

Did you think it was a joke because you're rc's buddy? And did you take a grand reaction towards ranger cause you know he's not your buddy?

Pedit: its also a convenient excuse to not get lynched and help town

but why would you help town as survivor? You just die to mafia.

and your trying to make associations before anyone flipped on page 3 ;/

I got some sort of tunnel thing going on with some random guy butt fuck it

But twice be points things out as odd but doesn't take a stance on them. Seems like someone trying to throw things out there hoping someone picks up on them and pushes them. Only pushing on the Miller. Seems like the safest place to push of you ask me. . Really not doing much to sort anyone. But posting a lot about the miller and survivor claim.

Don't like the change in reactions to the claims either. I mean if he's so sure that a miller claim is scum, how can he possibly believe someone would claim Miller and not be joking?

Xtoxm.

3 shit posts.

#1 contender for lurking scum.

In conclusion. Not a whole lot of Town looking people out there lol

This was a while ago. Nothing new since then?

[lilith2013]

So why the third degree?

[lilith2013]

Lilith, pls vote Pers with me.

I kind of want to but I can't tell whether it's because I'm still

fuming

because

I hate reaction tests

Lilith, pls vote Pers with me.

Join me on GL

This wagon was also too fast for my liking.

[lilith2013]

Xtoxm-lurky opportunistic possible scum
Srmp- hasn't posted in 24 hours. Only ever comments on miller. Scum
Rangers- Miller claim. Inclined to believe
Rc-seems like a big ol' gambit scum
Persivul- recent posts are weird and try hardy bit still town
Lilith- hard to read. Townish scum like null
Itelpip- still don't like. Will re iso
Guilty-null?

Okay you have like 5 scumreads what's up with that

So why the third degree?

To get a read. It's pretty common in mafia. Don't act like it's unusual.

Have I said yet how much I hate reaction tests?

I am not hard to read. At all. There was literally no need for you to do this. You could have just asked me shit about my reads.

[lilith2013]

let's all take a deep breath and remember that itlepip

stated that I was voting RadiantCowbells and was not able to provide a decent explanation for why he thought this

how often do you guys get votes wrong as town? Ever thought someone was voting someone when they never actually did? Or is that more likely to come from overzealous scum bullshitting reasons to throw shade at someone?

like if you're honestly attempting to sort me I don't see how you look at my posts and think I was ever voting RC

Well I certainly thought RC was at L-1 when he wasn't and our last VC was a while ago

[lilith2013]

1) I seriously can't count today
2) keep forgetting it's multiball. in my head it's just town vs. all scum.

[lilith2013]

I feel like GL definitely would have been more active in pushing a lynch if he were scum.

[lilith2013]

I know I'm town, therefore the more votes on a wagon without mine, the more likely it is for scum to have had to jump on it. Thats the advantage of waiting here for more players

I never agreed with this mentality but I know you've said this as town so unfortunately I can't call you out for being opportunistic with your wagon hopping.

[lilith2013]

Lane - My vote wasn't opportunistic and i'm getting sick of people saying it. I could compromise on SRMP, but I feel good about RC-scum and I think it's pretty ridiculous how much opposition there is to his wagon.

p-edit: i actually thought pip's recent posting was better

Okay let's check out the opposition.

Basically it's just me. Who else was resisting an RC lynch?

Now look at our interactions and tell me if you think scumbuddies would defend each other THIS HARD. Wouldn't it have been easier for me to ride that wagon to a bunch of free towncred?

[lilith2013]

Even if you consider that we could be two separate scum factions, again, what reason do I have to resist his lynch so much? I would want him to die. That's one less night kill that my faction would need to win.

[lilith2013]

Nope I just suck at counting.

[lilith2013]

Persivul, talk to me about your vote back to itle? Do you no longer think RC is scum?

Lane - My vote wasn't opportunistic and i'm getting sick of people saying it. I could compromise on SRMP, but I feel good about RC-scum and I think it's pretty ridiculous how much opposition there is to his wagon.

p-edit: i actually thought pip's recent posting was better

Let me just add that your vote feels opportunistic because you literally mention nothing about RC until you joined his wagon. You don't need to voice every little thought but you never attempted to push him or try to get a read before that vote.

[lilith2013]

Okay but.. Do you still think he's scum or not?

[lilith2013]

Why not? It's as good as checking anyone else, isn't it? (Plus, if the fruit does go through, we can confirm as town as opposed to someone else who could be non-mafia scum).

[lilith2013]

That was @GL.

[lilith2013]

@ GL: As others have said, there's a statistically small chance that there's a cop. A mafia fruit vendor could make a gambit on the probability that there's no cop. He then sends fruit, doesn't get outed by a cop report, and it gives him towncred.

But then he's crosskilled if the other faction can't lynch him.

[lilith2013]

Uh... what?

[lilith2013]

Can you let his lynch go for today? We need to consolidate on somebody.

[lilith2013]

I can get behind an itle lynch.

[lilith2013]

GL please be town

[lilith2013]

I mean. I have seen GL as town and scum (granted, in an unconventional setup) and he seemed townier to me as scum.

[lilith2013]

Lilith, pls vote Pers with me.

I kind of want to but I can't tell whether it's because I'm still

fuming

because

I hate reaction tests

I think I might be biased because of my dislike for reaction tests, though.

[lilith2013]

I'm going to go after some random guy regardless. Once my pressure subsided he just up and left for 23 hours.

Posted elsewhere though

yeah, mb, this just exploded and I think I was gone by that point.

Dude. Deadline. Reads. Not defense

This.

[lilith2013]

Well I was intending to be on this wagon but got held up in class. still don't like xtoxm.

[lilith2013]

Read up

Not lynching Lane, SRMP or guilty, prefer not to lynch itlepip, lilith, and persivul. Fine with lynching ranger (not for the miller, but for not being active), radiant, or xtoxm (same as ranger) (I know I was inactive, but im not excusing myself either and I only am because I know im town)

UNVOTE: Ranger VOTE: Radiantcowbells

I know its rc, but they were still scummy with wanting cop to claim (and according to numbers they are most likely to be scum, but im not lynching based off that)

What do you mean by according to numbers, RC is most likely to be scum?

[lilith2013]

Why did you say that xtoxm had solid play in your reads list?

Like literally nothing about their play felt solid.

[lilith2013]

Why did you say that xtoxm had solid play in your reads list?

Like literally nothing about their play felt solid.

@itle.

[lilith2013]

Did anyone receive fruit?

[lilith2013]

Lane was a guaranteed vote for RC. Kill was likely made to protect him.

Fruit or die.

Why aren't you voting RC then?

[lilith2013]

Like make up your mind--was lane killed because he was onto SRMP, or to protect RC? Or both--and if so, why do you think SRMP and RC are scum together? Or do you think lane was crosskilled?

[lilith2013]

Omg sorry I thought pers and xtox were the same person. My eyes skipped right over those avatars and went "yep, same person."

Disregard my 589.

[lilith2013]

Pers. Can you explain why my reactions to you felt genuine yesterday?

[lilith2013]

Without a cop report fruit means 50/50 town/mafia.

I also don't like the fact that despite the fact that he was claiming to scumread me, he's talking like he's fairly sure my fruit went off without a hitch.

That gives me really bad feelings.

Well we'll wait to see the fruit.

Also I have other things to say about this but I probably won't talk about those things until later when I have more information.

[lilith2013]

Did anyone receive fruit?

That would be me.

VOTE: lilith.

Where is this coming from?

Were you not there when I hard defended RC?

Do you think I would do that as scum?

[lilith2013]

Lanes death doesent implicate anything, he was obvtown.

Can you say something other than this?

VOTE: SRMP

[lilith2013]

No kidding.

[lilith2013]

... Lightsaber battle?

[lilith2013]

Srmp. What are your thoughts on itle's wagon yesterday?

[lilith2013]

Reasons for the vote?

Lilith was scum yesterday, and is still scum today.

Were you not there when I hard defended RC?
Do you think I would do that as scum?

Bluntly? Yes. The way you defended RC was

incredibly

insincere.

I just.. I have absolutely no idea where you are coming up with this. Like..

what

?

[lilith2013]

What happened to you thinking my reaction was genuine?

[lilith2013]

I am uncomfortable with RC overstating my play D1.

[lilith2013]

It's not that. You're talking about me as if I did more than I actually did. It gives me icky feelings.

[lilith2013]

particularly when I chain lynch you when you roll scum in chatmafia.

??

[lilith2013]

I'm here right now

VOTE: Guiltylion

[lilith2013]

Wait no. I take that back.

UNVOTE:

Need to think about things.

[lilith2013]

So you think I've lied?

[lilith2013]

Like please tell me what you think my scum strategy is because I'm not understanding.

And unfortunately I have no defense against Ranger because all she can say is that I sound

insincere.

how am I supposed to argue with that?

[lilith2013]

Um no. You voting me = you think I'm scum = somehow I have made a scum narrative.

[lilith2013]

Unless you don't think I've lied, in which your reasoning for voting me makes no sense.

[lilith2013]

So you're sheeping Ranger but you don't think I'm scum?

Like either you're being dumb by voting someone you think is town just to sheep Ranger

Or you somehow think that I'm scummy enough to sheep someone onto.

Which is it?

[lilith2013]

Why are you voting me if you think RC is so scummy? Like here is my issue. You present all these arguments for scum!RC. Yet your vote remains on me, a player that you sheeped somebody onto. So either you are being obtuse by keeping your vote on me while you think RC is scummier than me, or you have a reason to keep voting me rather than voting RC.

[lilith2013]

Either put your vote where your mouth is, or come up with a reason that you're choosing to keep your vote on me over your scumread.

[lilith2013]

You know what, I completely missed Pers's vote on RC.

I feel p dumb, just ignore most of what I said

[lilith2013]

Let me think.

[lilith2013]

I don't understand why Lilith's so obsessed with the vote on her or why she's not voting Persivul when she's talking like she's scumreading him.

Sometimes I get irrationally angry and start attacking everyone who's attacking me

[lilith2013]

I never said I was good at this game

[lilith2013]

I don't understand why Lilith's so obsessed with the vote on her or why she's not voting Persivul when she's talking like she's scumreading him.

Sometimes I get irrationally angry and start attacking everyone who's attacking me

Okay, that's fine.

What's your read on Persivul and why?

Not ignoring you, looking at his ISO.

[lilith2013]

VOTE: Persivul.
On page 27, I see indicators that lilith

could

be town. (Not sure, but she could be.)
I see more indicators Persivul would be scum, too.

Out of all the pages that you could pick to potentially townread me, you pick the one where I misread the game, become irrationally angry, and attack Pers for voting me when he's not even voting me?

I'm more confused than ever.

[lilith2013]

I'm trying to get around to all my games but when it involves a lot of rereading I can't do that while I'm on my phone. Sorry.

[lilith2013]

Lilith is on and posting elsewhere, but apparently doesn't want to come here and actually play the game. Easier to just wait until deadline is close enough to be an excuse. At this point I think there might be more scum off my wagon than on it.

Are you implying that you're back to thinking I'm scum?

Are you going to claim?

My role is non-targeting and wouldn't help me - there's no way I can prove it.

Okay.. so what's the issue with claiming?

[lilith2013]

I liked srmp's last post better and probably leaning towards pers as scum unless he is in fact claiming supersaint. And even then I'm not sure that it's a town claim.

[lilith2013]

Why?

[lilith2013]

I liked srmp's last post better and probably leaning towards pers as scum unless he is in fact claiming supersaint. And even then I'm not sure that it's a town claim.

What do you mean by "like"? Was it due to the content?

want an answer.

It seemed like you were actually saying things that were logical vs. your previous posts.

[lilith2013]

Yes..?

[lilith2013]

Like.. It just feels like you are actually trying to do things in that post as opposed to everything else you've said today.

[lilith2013]

Let me be the hammer since everyone is so convinced that I am scum right now. Like idk what else you want me to say srmp, it was something I said without really thinking about it too much.

[lilith2013]

And you should consider that if RC and I WERE scumbuddies, there is no way we would be townreading and defending each other so much. Like, idk if you've played with scum!RC. I haven't and I still know how much he loves to bus as scum.

I don't think you're scum. If RC is scum he's using you as an ally. You seem pretty likely to last awhile.

What did you mean by "I seem pretty likely to last a while"?

[lilith2013]

I don't see why not..? Like most likely I would have been the D1 or 2 lynch. Where's this coming from?

[lilith2013]

Why did you ask..?

[lilith2013]

Why not?

[lilith2013]

Why is that?

[lilith2013]

Are you sure about this, RC?

[lilith2013]

Okay...

VOTE: Persivul

[lilith2013]

Because Persivul being town means the axis I'm looking at the game from is fundamentally flawed, it opens the door to RC!scum and means you're a likely partner. I don't think xtoxm and RC have telling associatives so it would make Xtoxm more town by comparison

This is also assuming my town reads on SRMP and Ranger are correct, but neither of them are hammering today so

Yet again... do you think that I would defend RC so.. so...

vehemently

if we were partners?

[lilith2013]

Um.. Didn't you just say that you probably wouldn't have bussed as scum this game?

[lilith2013]

Why..?

[lilith2013]

What did you expect? This is a mafia site.

[lilith2013]

It's annie okay we're done I win

[lilith2013]

okay.