Mini 485: Formula One (Game Over)

[Zindaras]

Vote: discordian algorithm

You shouldn't hide your identity behind an Alt!

[Zindaras]

Vampire?

[Zindaras]

vote: Zindaras

for lies and lies spat from behind a mask she call 'truth'.

Adel, dear, you're not making it easier on yourself.

lol and you really think if i was mafia i'd be that thick?

You've vote-hopped out and about. For very few reasons. I don't see why you would do that as town.

[Zindaras]

As an aside, since we're now in the random phase, I think this is the perfect time to discuss Formula One. So what's everyone's story? Did you just sign up for this game because it was Mafia, or do you all actually follow F1?

Personally, I'm a huge fan. The first race I watched was Monaco '96 (probably also the best race I've ever watched, too, ironically). I was immediately a fan of David Coulthard and I've been so ever since. I haven't missed a race since '97, except those races where there simply was no tv nearby. The standard of races has unfortunately deteriorated somewhat over the years, for which I mostly blame the rules changes that were made to make the sport safer. The impossibility of slipstreaming is annoying to say the least. Luckily, we have had two nice races this year. I thoroughly enjoyed Bahrein and the rain spectacle we had on the Nürburgring. I laughed a lot when the rain came (especially as six cars exited the track in the same turn, one after another).

[Zindaras]

i've vote hopped around because it was in the random phase

You know, if you haven't noticed before, in the random phase, people usually don't really care where their vote is. You did. I don't like that.

LOOK AT THE PINK!!

My avatar is

so

pinker than yours.

>.>
<.<

[Zindaras]

Woah. That's the fourth vote on SPAG. I don't really like the speed there.

[Zindaras]

Deadscilent is at 3 votes, with 7 to lynch. A vote now wouldn't bring her even close to lynch.

[Zindaras]

EBWOP: As far as the "who's to know she wasn't lurking" thing, that's crap. Who's to know she was? Being gone is a null tell, it happens to everyone.

[Zindaras]

discordian, what the hell was the use of referring to ongoing games? He's alive in every single one of them.

None

of those games are in any way relevant to this game or give any indication of SPAG being scum.

Huge FoS: discordian algorithm

[Zindaras]

^- an example of why newbies should be careful when using alts. I think I should start using a different browser for my alt. Sorry about that.

Yes. Yes, you should. That's how I do it.

Yes my bandwagon certainly grew very quicky. Ah well people can do what they want, however, at some point i'm gonna go through and take notes on everyone, try and work out who i think is mafia.

I seem to get this in all the games i'm in, people don't like my style because it's different.

This isn't the way to fix it, Adel. In fact, if people see you as a different person from your original account, it will only make you more likely to be lynched, as this account does not have the metagame your main account has.

Once I've finished a couple of games with you, I think I'll be able to better explain what you're doing wrong.

[Zindaras]

Adel, you're being silly. If you're not going to play with your main account, why bother using another account to play games? In fact, why use an alt at all? Everyone who has a metagame read on you (and would therefore matter) already knows it's you.

You have your style. People will get used to it at a point. I wouldn't rush into changing your style too quickly, and if you have to, you shouldn't do it in a forced way. If you want to change your playtsyle, look at great players, read their games. You'll see the point of their playstyles in the end.

I'd say your current playstyle resembles that of Glork the most, so if I were you, I'd take a look at a couple of his games.

SPAG's not an alt. People do play on other places than this forum, y'know.

[Zindaras]

As an aside, happy scumday IH! <3

[Zindaras]

ojpower has a lot to explain.

[Zindaras]

This is not the time to quickly wagon another guy into death.

[Zindaras]

This isn't just a vote, though. This was a hammer. I really don't like that.

[Zindaras]

Oh, yes, of course. You're right.

As an aside, you made the 6th vote on SPAG yesterday. Don't you think you were being a little bit hasty there?

[Zindaras]

Dissy is clearly King Rabies, partnered to Feminine Maple-Leafs.

This was not a smart move. You might as well have claimed your entire role name and role.

And, personally, it appears you have claimed Masons. Mason Traitors are more likely to push for a Mason claim than regular Masons, so

FoS: discordian algorithm

.

By asking for a replacement, we're letting ojpower get off the hook with the hammer. His replacement won't be able to explain the reason for it, so everyone will either lynch him for it anyway or just let it go. We seriously need oj, himself, to give his reasons for placing the final vote on SPAG. If he doesn't then he's getting my vote too.

You are one hundred percent correct in your train of thought.

Just wanted to point that out. Asking for ojpower to explain and asking for him to be replaced are contradictory statements.

[Zindaras]

I'm not a mason. I have no way of contacting my teammate othre than through this thread, and I don't even know if he is also town-aligned. SPAG claimed to have a teammate

I see nothing in SPAG's posting that says "I have a teammate".

so I figured I would put out only the first two letter so that if we are able to prove later in the game that townies are always teammates with townies my partner and I would be able to confirm each other, me by presenting the first two letter, and him by providing the rest of the letters.

Doesn't work. For one, it would break the game for the town. For two, it's impossible to prove without all of them dying (or being confirmed by other means, but that tends to be limited anyway), which invalidates the process. What is the point of confirming someone who's already confirmed? For three, everyone has a teammate. By definition. Because that's how Formula One works.

Everyone who has even the tiniest bit of knowledge about F1 can fill in the letters. The amount of possible roles is extremely limited.

[Zindaras]

I think every townie has a responsibility to try to break the game for the town. Hello, that is called "winning".

Games are not easily broken. In this case, not only would it have been impossible (as, as I said, it's impossible to prove that all townies have teammates, and no scumbags have), it would also entail a mass claim, which doesn't help us.

Unfortunately I don't even have the tiniest bit of knowledge about F1, I thought the names were fictional.

Mein Gott.

You read the opening post. You read the flavour. You read the thread, supposedly, which means you had to have read this post. You mean you have joined a game which was clearly themed, you read the posts, which made it even clearer that it was themed, and yet you didn't realize it was themed and you didn't bother doing even the slightest bit of research about the theme? You claimed your role name while you had absolutely no idea who you were talking about? You thought you could break the game with flavour you didn't know

anything

about?

*puts his head in his hands*

[Zindaras]

One, it's nice how you don't bother reading up on SPAG's side of the argument, instead claiming that a statement was in random voting stage, which obvoiusly makes it a random vote. Who the hell knows what is a random vote or not? I could make a random vote right now if I wanted to, just roll a die and stick with it. Or, I could make a deadset vote in the random stage, just based on one post from someone else.

If pulsewidth is wrong to assume it was random, then SPAG is equally wrong to assume it wasn't.

I believe DA to be innocent, though the fact that blatantly denying having an alt on the first page WAS a little rude.
Why are you all FoSing on DA? Because she was busy trying to figure out how many games SPAG has played. She said she was dead set on getting SPAG to -1, and he didn't even bother giving her any answers.

Because she did something which is bad for the town. Her claim was badly timed and didn't help the town at all. As I pointed out, Mason Traitors (and I would compare what she seems to have to Masons) are more likely to claim out of the blue than town Masons.

Guess what? You all brought SPAG to -1. In fact, you all LYNCHED him. Well, now that DA has gotten what she wanted and then some, you have all accomplished the whim of what was called an "artifical reasoning."

I'm not really sure why you would all suspect DA of being scum when 6 other people joined in the grand lynching of her target. It was YOUR ACTIONS, not hers, that killed SPAG. Great to know, eh?

This does not clear Dissy from anything. This can be said about

anyone

on the SPAGon.

To be honest, Polter, your eagerness to clear Dissy is somewhat...unsettling.

unvote vote:pulsewidth

Is Polter buddying up to me? Possibly, but my magic 8-ball says "NOT LIKELY"

I assumed that the Formula 1 theme had something to do with a crazy mechanic. If the theme was a tv show or movie I was not familiar with, I wouldn't have signed up. Now I feel like a liability to the town. Damn.

Votes without addressing anything, without explanation. Seems like OMGUS. I do not like this post.

Dissy switches to ojpower in 169. Another one I don't like.

@DA's first post: No shit. But there ARE ten other people, you realize? If I voted the same as you, it would get both of us lynched.

I do not understand this paragraph.

[Zindaras]

We were waiting for your explanation. We asked for it at the start of Day 2, but only now we got it.

And, personally, it doesn't convince me in the least. You don't hammer people for being a distraction.

Vote: ojpower

I'd also like to

FoS: deadscilent

. I think she's wagoning a bit too much, first with a fourth vote on SPAG Day One, then with a fourth vote on Polter Day Two.

[Zindaras]

Mod

, what are the deadline rules?

[Zindaras]

Dude, you have 20 hours or something to get a post in, that's more than enough.

[Zindaras]

Right now we need imput from you, not worthless votes

/agree wholeheartedly.

[Zindaras]

No, you don't. This is a 10 page thread. It shouldn't take you too long to read it.

[Zindaras]

Time to do some analysis.

Polter:

Post 1:
Random vote.

Post 2:
At this time, SPAG was already lynched, so nothing useful here.

Post 3:
Polter starts the day by voting pulsewidth.

Post 4:
This is Polter's first serious post, following up on his vote. I've already responded to this. I think Polter's too eager to clear Dissy. I think his argument against pulsewidth isn't very strong either.

Post 5&Post 6&Post 7:
Proving a point to pulse.

Post 8:
I do not really see the point of this post.

Post 9:
Continuation of Post 9.

Post 10:
Continuation of the bantering.

Post 11:
Eh, slight pro-town vibes from this post.

Post 12&Post 13&Post 14:
Some discussion about inactivity. Asks Wario why he wasn't around and answers the same question thrown back at him.

Post 15:
I don't really get this post. I think Dissy's point here is fairly strong. The stuff about pulse asking for a replacement for ojpower has nothing to do with the quote. Polter also unvotes.

Post 16:
I don't really understand the Polter-Dissy interaction here.

I don't really know what to think of Polter. He's done some fairly controversial things. His push on Pulsewidth is mainly due to Pulsewidth's push on Dissy.

One of the things which makes me feel he is town is the speedy wagon which seems to be developing on him now. Overall, I have to say I'm leaning to town.

ojpower/DeathSauce:

Post 1:
Random vote.

Post 2:
And here we have the unexplained hammer. I think this is a huge scumtell, personally.

Post 3:
Note how oj completely ignores the SPAG-situation from Day One and the questions asked of him. Note also how his reasons for voting Dissy here are plain horrible and just flat-out not true.

Post 4:
And here we get the elusive explanation for the hammer. Apparently, SPAG was a distraction. Do I even have to explain why this is bad?

Post 5:
Calls Dissy scum for not attacking pulsewidth. Bad logic here. There is a huge addition of information between that statement from Dissy and her behaviour regarding you.

Post 6:
Note how he doesn't actually answer the question asked of him.

Post 7:
OMGUS.

Post 8:
Irrelevant.

Post 9:
DeathSauce's entry. A good post, though he limits himself to attacking Dissy, rather than defending himself.

Post 10:
Further arguments against Dissy. Though I agree about the buddying thing, I'm not sure I agree with the teammate stuff. I don't really see it as a scum thing to do.

Post 11:
Read on.

Post 12:
I

really

dislike people posting "Either is good".

Post 13:
I don't really see why this would be the only reaction to IH's post.

Post 14:
Switches to Polter...why?

Overall, my read on DeathSauce/ojpower is worse than the read I have on Polter. I thought DeathSauce's entry (Posts 9 and 10) were pretty good, but his subsequent posting has been somewhat lacking. Ojpower's posts are just plain horrible. Very scummy.

I will take a closer look at Dissy in the morning and decide on my vote (for now, it'll stay on DeathSauce). I would also advise Polter to claim, since it looks like he's going to die.

[Zindaras]

I think ChaosOmega's vote here is far scummier than DeathSauce's. I can live with DeathSauce's argument. Self-preservation is natural.

[Zindaras]

Well, we need one more vote to even secure a lynch, so Polter's not in trouble right now...

[Zindaras]

I'm going to think long and hard if I like No Lynch or a Polter lynch less, then come back to vote (or keep the one I have now).

[Zindaras]

EBWOP: A DeathSauce lynch would still be preferred, so I'm keeping my vote on him for now.

[Zindaras]

Actually Zindaras,

In case of a tie the first person to reach that number of votes is lynched.

So, even though there is a tie, Polter will still get lynched at the deadline.

No, we need at least 4 votes to get a lynch at all (see the deadline rules JDodge posted last page).

[Zindaras]

The tie would have to be at 4 votes, as far as I understand.

I think the unclear deadline rules warrant an extension.

*is good at wheedling extensions out of mods* >.>

[Zindaras]

We have more than 2 days left to do some scumhunting. This is not an acceptable vote, IH.

[Zindaras]

Comments on scumminess would be much preferred over this, Roach. You're not a spectator. Please don't act like one.

[Zindaras]

Unvote

.

There will be no hammering until Polter is back.

[Zindaras]

Mod

, please prod Dissy.

How many hours until deadline?

[Zindaras]

Post or die, scum.

Vote: discordian algorithm

>.>
<.<

[Zindaras]

That one quote and reply is all you got from the last few pages? I find that to be highly disturbing. Also, good jorb insulting the scum, that was a good move. They're gonna love you now. Anyway, onto the next.

Unvote, Vote: Roach

Post or die, scum!

[Zindaras]

That one quote and reply is all you got from the last few pages?

That was all I felt like sharing. I'll connect a couple of dots for you tomorrow. I'm sure you will make it as well

So, what was this all about?

[Zindaras]

Since I haven't been caught up and I'm against all forms of metagaming (whatever that is), I'll just bide my time and watch for developments for D3, meaning:

Great. Let's do nothing and wait for the scum to come to us!

FoS: Roach

[Zindaras]

Xdaamno replaces Polter

.

I

really

want Roach to post analysis.

[Zindaras]

This thread is 15 pages. Do you need months to read 15 pages? We could be at LyLo right now.

[Zindaras]

Please hold off with replacing Dissy. We need her to explain her actions of late yesterday.

Wario, as far as the lurkervoting thing goes, I think I made it quite clear that I wanted DeathSauce lynched. I only switched votes because his lynch was already pretty much assured and I wanted more people to post.

[Zindaras]

Vote: Roach

. 3's good at deadline, I've been wanting to do this for a while.

I do not understand this post.

[Zindaras]

Vote: Roach

. 3's good at deadline, I've been wanting to do this for a while.

I do not understand this post.

...

Uh, OK. Which part?

Everything past the vote. What does 3 being good at deadline have to do with anything? Why have you been wanting to do it for a while, and if so, why didn't you do it earlier?

[Zindaras]

Right now, I'm leaning towards Zindaras as scum, though it is all evidence I have is circumstantial. I have nothing in the way of supicious activity from the game. But I can't grasp how Zindaras is still alive. He's the most experienced in the game, yet the scum continue to leave him alone, despite him receiving absolutely no suspicion for basically the entire game. I would think the scum would want to take him out quickly due to his experience level and lack of any evidence against him. Though this argument boils down to wifom, it can still warrant a

FOS:Zindaras

So, basically, you're leaning towards me being scum not on the basis of my behaviour (which, seeing how we're in a 16-page thread, is more than enough), but rather on the basis of a complete and utter WIFOM argument.

Nightkills are not even close to being a good argument. Every night, the Mafia kill someone. It doesn't necessarily matter who they kill, as long as they kill. This logic is extremely flawed. To suggest I'm scum based on complete WIFOM actions from people who are trying to mislead us is preposterous.

Also, I'll have you note that I survive 40% of my games. So it's not like my continued survival is that odd.

^ sarcasm,correct?

No, he's completely right. We're almost definitely in LyLo here, which means that a mass claim should be made.

[Zindaras]

Zindy, I would take it more as a compliment. I really don't have much to work with at the moment so I may be reaching.

Reaching is scummy, not complimentary.

I wasn't sure if the massclaim was a joke or not. A few games where I saw massclaims, the person who proposed it got highly admonished.

That was probably an early-game mass claim. The farther you get in a game, the better it becomes.

[Zindaras]

As far as mass claim methodology goes:

-The dice feature. Incorruptible. We simply roll a die (in-thread), and then the person with that number claims. Completely random, though.
-Scumminess. We simply take a vote for who we want to claim first, wait for the claim, then vote on the next, and so on. Not random, but the Mafia can seriously influence this one.
-Claimmaker: We let one person we have a lot of trust in decide the entire order. If we pick Town, we're fine, but picking Mafia gives them massive influence.
-Picking: We decide on the first. He claims, then picks the next one to claim, so on and so on. We'll always have some Mafia influence this way, but we'll also always have some Town influence.

I prefer scumminess.

[Zindaras]

Claimmaker is really only done if there is a confirmed innocent. I copy-pasted this from a newbie game where I posted the same thing.

[Zindaras]

Hey Zindaras, were you away during the dealine or something? I'm suprised you didn't get a vote in.

I had a busy time at that point and I missed the deadline, yes.

[Zindaras]

I already said we should do picking.

[Zindaras]

Oshit, that's what happens when you post without thinking.

Scumminess, yes. Scumminess.

[Zindaras]

I'd like Roach, personally.

[Zindaras]

I don’t like the “post or die scum” bits cause we’re a bit close to the deadline and you’re throwing votes on lurkers.

Our lynch was pretty much decided at that point, so I decided to throw around my weight a bit and see what would come up.

I also don't understand why you wanted to go first so badly.

As for my claim:

David Coulthard, Townie. (I laughed so much when I got my PM)

I believe Shanba's claim. It makes a lot of sense.

This presents us with an interesting situation:

If SirWario is telling the truth, pulse could be scum and Wario blocked the scum's kill on Night 1.

If Shanba is telling the truth, SirWario could be scum. I find two roleblockers in one game fairly unlikely, so in that case, Wario lied about his targets.

This isn't rocket science, so neither of these are very sure. I am also still suspicious of Roach, now Oman.

[Zindaras]

I don't have a teammate.

Note that most-all of our dead townies don't have a teammate either. Jenson Button, Takuma Sato, Alexander Wurz.

Wario

, does your PM speak of a teammate?

[Zindaras]

I'll post a reply to this after Wario answers my question.

[Zindaras]

Wario

, does your PM speak of a teammate?

EBWOP: Actually, I'd like to ask the same question to Shanba and Scope.

[Zindaras]

I already answered the bloody question:

I don't have a teammate.

Now I just need Shanba's and Scope's answers and we're set.

[Zindaras]

We know who the dead guys' potential teammates were since this game is based on the real-world sport (something which you should definitely have noticed in a reread).

Jenson Button's teammate is Rubens Barrichello.
Takuma Sato's teammate is Anthony Davidson.
Alexander Wurz's teammate is Nico Rosberg.

If you look at Shanba's and Scope's claims, we can see the issue there. Shanba's teammate is Heiki Kovalainen and Scope's teammate is Ralf Schumacher.

Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld are teammates, yes, but here's one that's even more interesting: Lewis Hamilton is Fernando Alonso's teammate.

I think this is pretty interesting. Wario could be lying about being Fernando Alonso in the first place, which would mean that he doesn't know that IH was his teammate. But pulse could also be lying about being Nick Heidfeld. Since Paradox died before anyone even m entioned the word teammate, we have no way of knowing if he had one in his PM. If pulse figured that all pure townies had teammates, then this could be an indicator of pulsescum. I'm also not sure I think pulse's behaviour regarding Dissy when she claimed to have a teammate is indicative of someone who has a teammate himself.

[Zindaras]

Goddammit, what kind of retard are you? Have you, perhaps, considered reading

anything

about the theme?

[Zindaras]

Actually, did you even read the post I made earlier about the dead people's teammates?

[Zindaras]

Since I can't really ignore this rampant idiocy, as we're in LyLo, here's a rebuttal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Formu ... nd_drivers

*GASP*

I expect everyone that posts after this to have read this. Anyone who pushes any kind of theory which is flat-out impossible with the theme information this article gives us is getting my vote, period.

I'm absolutely flabbergasted by the failure of some of the other players in this thread to even find out the simplest, most basic bits of information about the theme, instead favouring the use of retarded theories that would be easily disproven by any knowledge of earlier referred to theme.

[Zindaras]

I'm a little confused as to what your final conclusion is. Do you recon players who should have teammates but don't are scum, or players who got their teammates wrong are scum, or something else entirely? I think I understand the point about SirWario (claiming a drvier who was teammates with the SK correct?) and I agree that makes him look scummy. I think I also understand your point about pulse, but I see it as weaker. Also, I'm hesitant to base my vote in lylo on a flavour issue, when Sope still looks much scummier.

There is no real final conclusion. It's speculation. I'm raising the following possibilities:

-SirWario is faking a Fernando Alonso claim. After all, Fernando Alonso's teammate, Lewis Hamilton, is in the game. If we assume that all teammates know their counterpart is in the game, then SirWario should be aware of that.

-pulsewidth is faking a Nick Heidfeld claim. Pulsewidth thinks that all vanilla townies have teammates (like Oman), and so he's claiming to have one, even though he doesn't really have one.

Zindy, perhaps you could explain why Oman's theory is bupkus? I am a little confused here. If only vanilla townies received their teammate's name in their role PM, then theoretically you would have received one also. What IS your current theory regarding the teammates?

[Zindaras]

That post was unfinished, I'll correct it later (I thought I was posting it in my notes. >.<)

Also, Scope, what the hell?

[Zindaras]

It's speculation. Nowhere do I suggest that I find it likely. But since Lewis Hamilton is Fernando Alonso's teammate (which is a fact, check the article I linked to), I find it somewhat odd that you wouldn't know it.

I think it's odd that we have the following teams in the game:

BMW-Robert Kubica (Doc)/Nick Heidfeld (Townie): Aware of being team.
Ferrari-Kimi Raikkonen (Townie)/Felipe Massa (Townie): Aware of being team.
McLaren-Lewis Hamilton (SK)/Fernando Alonso (Roleblocker): Not aware of being team.

You have to admit that there's something wrong here.

[Zindaras]

I don't doubt that they are partners in real life. The game doesn't have to be 100% accurate to the theme though.

Did Pulse claim to have a partner earlier in the game and I missed it? If he did, did he say that Para was his partner?

Everything we've had fits the theme like a glove. Even stuff like this:

Massa winner in Bahrain

Hamilton sets record with 3rd consecutive podium

If I remember correctly, this is also what happened in the real Bahrain.

JDodge has based this game on the 2007 Formula One season. There is no reason to diverge from it in any way. But, hey, I'll indulge you.

Mod

, is this game based on the '07 season? In other words, are all the drivers driving for the same team they did in the real world?

My vote stands, perhaps it is rather idiodic, but we massclaimed and Zindaras' stinks of scum.

This is impressive, because you've said absolute squat about it before.

Zindaras hasn't been a white sheet the whole time, there is some scummy actions (I think I'v e referenced them earlier), basically a massclaim gives the town (and scum) a lot of information, and if I'm the only one working off it, well that sucks.

You're not the only one working off it. You're the only one working off your "theory" that JDodge screwed with the fundamentals of the theme.

Zindaras
Townie Brownies
Put the look on OJ early, yet did not vote. Also condemned early wagoning of him.

Lurks a bit, but seems to be scumhunting (if not often) well.

Obviously rereading a good catch on my predecessor’s wagoning proves you’re reading the game.

There will be no hammering until Polter is back.

The unvote puts this in this category.

Scum Bum
Against the name claims. I’m interestingly spilt here as name claims usually do nothing for either side. Though the name claims lead to mass claim, and I’m sure scum would love that, so I’m torn.

I don’t like the “post or die scum” bits cause we’re a bit close to the deadline and you’re throwing votes on lurkers.

Well, this is impressive. I'm scum because I'm against a name claim, when we have no idea what the power roles have, and we have no idea what the scum have. So it would've been useless. And, seriously, a name claim leading into a mass claim? Yeah right.

The post or die scum bits are also not a scumtell. The lynch was decided (DeadSauce), so I was free to pressure some lurkers.

I think SirWario and Kscope are mutually exclusive scum due to their claims countering eachother.

Dude. Seriously.

This doesn't make sense.

[Zindaras]

You're right sorry

I meant Sir Wario and Shanba as mutually exclusive.

And, instead of responding to everything I said, Oman decides to post this! Awesome! Amazing!

Vote: Pulsewidth

Either Zindaras or Shanba is his partner.

This is very convincing. Especially the reasons.

:badvoting:

you realise we are in lylo? That means with Oman's vote on Zindie, one has to e mafia, or there would be a quicklynch. However, by adding another vote off those wagons you offer a different possibility for a quicklynch.

Dude, no. This is big LyLo, not small LyLo.

[Zindaras]

Meh. They're equivalent.

No, they're not. In small LyLo, what you said was true. If there are 5 players alive and two scum, and town votes town, scum can quicklynch. In big LyLo, it's not true. With 6 players alive and 2 scum, scum can't quicklynch when one townie ends up voting another townie.

Zindaras has had no suspicion on him the entire game and it baffles me how he is still alive. I don't see why scum would leave a clearly innocent veteran alive?

I think the words "clearly innocent" say enough here. Also note the use of Too Townie logic here.

[Zindaras]

This is unbelievable.

I will be sobbing in fetal position in the corner.

[Zindaras]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Also, I think lynching players because of their roles instead of behaviour is the right way to go, even though Zindaras not having a teammate would make sense as scum. My vote is most likely going to either Zindaras or pulse.[/quote]

I expected a lot more from someone who has knowledge of the theme.

Explain to me: If every single townie has a teammate, how come the teammates of the dead townies aren't in the game? The game is based on the 07 season, which means we know exactly who is whose teammate.

[Zindaras]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Formu ... nd_drivers

Since you apparently have trouble reading, it's big, bold, and with red underlines for you only!

[Zindaras]

Okay lets look at it:

SPAG, Jenson Button, townie, super license suspended after Melbourne (D1)

in the season partner is Rubens Barrichello, note he didn't claim either way on a teammate

Paradoxombie, Robert Kubica, doctor, involved in fatal accident in Malaysia (N1)

I suspect didn't have a teammate due to being a powerrole.

DeathSauce (replaced ojpower), Takuma Sato, townie, super license revoked in Bahrain (D2)

Is partnered with Anthony Davidson. I do admit he doesn't have a teammate in game

IH, Lewis Hamilton, Serial Killer, seriously injured in Spain (N2)
discordian algorithm, Kimi Räikkönen, townie, super license taken away in Monaco (D3)

Had a teammate

ChaosOmega, Alexander Wurz, townie, brakes failed in Canada (N3)

NK no claim

Unvote

Reading over, deathsauce's claim was on the most interesting, claiming that DA was scum because she had a teammate.

Hmm....

Pulsewidth claimed to be Nick Heidfeld, Robert Kubica's teammate.

[Zindaras]

Hmm...pulsewidth/Oman or Wario/Scope? I need to think about this one.

[Zindaras]

Really, really big post upcoming. Please don't vote until then.

[Zindaras]

If SirWario and Scope are both scum, then we pretty much have a powerless town. Only a Cop and a Doc (and some silly teammate stuff), against SK and Mafia with Roleblocker (and who knows what else?). I don't see this as very likely.

Oman is the player who has been harping about teammates the most, and pulsewidth claimed to have a teammate, as a townie. Coincidence? I think not. If all townies really did have teammates, as Oman suggested, then pulsewidth would obviously claim to be the teammate of a dead power role, as he would have to claim teammate (since he's claiming townie) and claiming to be the teammate of a dead townie would be extremely dangerous (since there are three people claiming after him, any of them could be the teammate of a dead townie and counterclaim him).

Add to that the fact that Wario blocked pulsewidth Night One, which could explain why we missed one kill there, and I think that pulsewidth/Oman is a lot likelier than Scope/Wario.

Looking at pulse's behaviour throughout the game, there's an extremely vote-hoppy Day One, ending in a vote on SPAG. He FoSes Roach twice, but in endgame, he FoSes Shanba/Wario/Scope. Roach is now Oman. I see this as distancing. Also, since he just FoSed half the game, he's basically just trying to get any lynch: he can't possibly be right about all of them.

I've already FoSed deadscilent and Roach multiple times over the course of the game. Oman then spent most of his posts pushing the craphole theory of Scumdaras with the whole teammate stuff. He ended up on Wario, saying the following:

[quote="Oman"]Sir Wario, if scum, clears shanba (more or less). Sir Wario, if town, implicates Shanba (more or less).[/quote]

If SirWario is town, we just lost the game. This is bad logic.

The main problems I have with Scope and Wario are the tenuous accusations they made against me. I don't understand how Scope could possibly subscribe to the teammate theory if he's been actively following the sport. I think this post is a possible blocker breadcrumb.

Now, lynch count analysis:

If Scope/Wario:

SPAG

- 7 (

discordian algorithm

,

SirWario

,

IH

,

deadscilent, ChaosOmega, pulsewidth, ojpower

)

deadscilent

- 2 (

Polter

,

KaleiÐoscøpe

)

discordian algorithm

- 1 (

Zindaras

)

Not voting (2):

Paradoxombie

,

SPAG

DeathSauce

- 4 (

discordian algorithm, pulsewidth, ChaosOmega

,

IH

)

Polter

- 2 (

SirWario

,

DeathSauce

)

discordian algorithm

- 1 (

KaleiÐoscøpe

)

KaleiÐoscøpe

- 1 (

Roach

)

Roach

- 1 (

Zindaras

)

Not voting (1):

Polter

Note: You could count my vote as a vote on DeathSauce in this count.

discordian algorithm

- 3 (

KaleiÐoscøpe, SirWario

,

ChaosOmega

)

KaleiÐoscøpe

- 2 (

Xdaamno, discordian algorithm

)

Not voting (3):

pulsewidth, Roach, Zindaras

SirWario

- 3 (

Shanba, pulsewidth, Oman

)

pulsewidth

- 2 (

SirWario, KaleiÐoscøpe

)

Not voting (1):

Zindaras

If pulse/Oman:

SPAG

- 7 (

discordian algorithm, SirWario

,

IH

,

deadscilent

,

ChaosOmega

,

pulsewidth

,

ojpower

)

deadscilent

- 2 (

Polter, KaleiÐoscøpe

)

discordian algorithm

- 1 (

Zindaras

)

Not voting (2):

Paradoxombie

,

SPAG

DeathSauce

- 4 (

discordian algorithm

,

pulsewidth

,

ChaosOmega

,

IH

)

Polter

- 2 (

SirWario, DeathSauce

)

discordian algorithm

- 1 (

KaleiÐoscøpe

)

KaleiÐoscøpe

- 1 (

Roach

)

Roach

- 1 (

Zindaras

)

Not voting (1):

Polter

Note: You could count my vote as a vote on DeathSauce in this count.

discordian algorithm

- 3 (

KaleiÐoscøpe, SirWario, ChaosOmega

)

KaleiÐoscøpe

- 2 (

Xdaamno, discordian algorithm

)

Not voting (3):

pulsewidth, Roach

,

Zindaras

SirWario

- 3 (

Shanba

,

pulsewidth, Oman

)

pulsewidth

- 2 (

SirWario, KaleiÐoscøpe

)

Not voting (1):

Zindaras

Shanba/pulsewidth, Zindaras/SirWario are technically still possibilities , but I simply do not see the first as viable, and, well, for me, the second one is a waste of time. I guess it is also possible for Shanba, pulse or Oman to be bussing,

Now, out of this, the one that interests me the most is the Dissy lynch. It consisted of Wario, Scope...and ChaosOmega. Now, I ask myself, why would Wario/Scope possibly want to kill Omega? He was on the same wagon as they were. If they would get flak for lynching Dissy, they'd be able to share it with Omega. Add to that the fact that Omega wanted to kill Roach:

[quote="ChaosOmega"]I'm about in the same position as Xdaamno, in that I'd rather have DA lynched over no one. I'd rather have Roach lynched, though.[/quote]

And I think that Oman/pulse does have a motivation for killing Omega (getting rid of someone who joined in the Dissy lynch to weaken their position the next day and to kill someone who was suspicious of them).

I also went and took a look at IH's posts. And I found that, after his analysis in 225, he voted pulsewidth.

Coincidence? I think not. Both IH and Omega were suspicious of Oman or pulse, yet not vocal about it (so they weren't the easiest links to make).

Vote: pulsewidth

I think that's it. I hope I made the right decision.

[Zindaras]

Fitting that in his last year, Coulthard would get that championship that eluded him for so long, with Trulli narrowly missing the title.

<3

I think this could very well be the best game as scum I've ever played. Apart from the crackpot teammate theory and the WIFOM-argument Wario put up, I pretty much had zero suspicion on me throughout the game.

We killed Paradox Night 1 because I felt he was the towniest and I had a bit of a hunch he was a good kill. We also blocked IH that Night. I thought that he would be the most likely powerrole to target me, and I was a bit afraid of him being SK. After the lone kill on Night 1, I was pretty sure IH was SK. During Day 2, I figured out Polter was Cop with a Town investigation on Dissy, which is why we blocked him after that. It also meant that we couldn't keep IH around (we were probably pretty high on any SK's hit list), so we killed him. The last night, the choice was Omega or Wario. We decided on Omega because Omega was a loose cannon. Wario thought I was Town, I didn't know what Omega thought. I also wanted to kill a less active person. I had the feeling that there was another power role (though I thought it was a Tracker, not a Roleblocker).

The last day was odd. First there was the teammate theory (which was complete bogus. I thought a bit about claiming Rubens Barrichello, Jenson Button's teammate, but I decided against it because I knew I didn't need it), which got me really worked up. Then Wario got to Lynch-1, and Scope and I both had the opportunity to hammah. But, for some reason, I decided not to. I don't really know why. I thought it would be a bit...anticlimactic. I wanted everyone to think I was town up till the last post, the big reveal by JDodge. So I started writing up the huge post. As I progressed, I became more and more unsure about my chosen path. But, luckily, Oman made it all easier for me by unvoting, which meant I basically had to post it.

[Zindaras]

That teammate thing sucked.

No, you simply focused on an entirely wrong thing. The town should've lynched on behaviour, not outguessing the mod regarding teammates.

This goes down as an unfun game.

I would disagree. I massively enjoyed myself.

[Zindaras]

I got targeted for an investigation? *gasp*!

[Zindaras]

Oman, I don't understand your hammer vote. How did you come to the conclusion that the teammates weren't in the game? Just so you know, I was telling the truth; my role PM stated that Robert Kubica was, in fact, my teammate.

Yeah, sorry about that; somehow I subconciously inserted flavour that lead to the whole teammates thing, which was unfortunately escalated by the fact that the players with roles that did have teammates in the game were the only ones that mentioned teammates. My mistake.

I actually thought it was some sort of weak masonry thing.

[Zindaras]

There were only 2 scum on Day 4. Scope and I were the only Mafia.

*hi-fives Scope*

[Zindaras]

So the too townie theory isn't always wrong. I knew you were to good to be left alive Zindaras.

Well, I think Too Townie, in the end, is an argument that simply doesn't hold water. You had a point, of course, but you can't really lynch anyone based on an argument like that.

By the way, I thought it was somewhat ironic that I spent hours writing up a post saying that Oman/pulse was the scumteam, only to see Oman hammer pulse over one of the smaller points.

So much work for so little.

[Zindaras]

Funny how if Zindie hadn't blocked me we'd have had a very good chance of winning.

Well, at least it wasn't a lucky block.

A better argument against Zindie than his not dying would have been his somewhat lurky play. But meh. He wasn't on my radar.

I've actually been more active in this game than in other games. Busy times for Zindie.