groinhammer wrote:
xombie#107 wrote:Can the people voting Khelvaster please carefully lay out the reasons for their vote? I don't necessarily suspect them, but if he ends up being a mislynch we're back to nothing to scumhunt but a bandwagon with no reasoning.
This implies that you don't think Khelv is scum, yet 4hrs later you say that Khelv tops yr. scumlist compared to IH. This struck me as odd to say the least, especially seeing as IH has come across as scum so strongly (see my previous posts). Incidentally, this is the same thing that Streeflo picked up on.
This isn't true on two accounts. 1. I don't even remember the full case about IH is, but he's never seemed as blatantly scummy to me as you claim he was. Also, this isn't proof of scumminess unless IH is confirmed scum. 2. Asking people for reasons does not automatically mean you disagree with an opinion. People often ask for reasons because the logic behind votes are the only way you can tell whether someone might be mindlessly bandwagoning. Sometimes you get lucky and catch scum making flawed, contrived arguments.
You then vote Streeflo in #125 - OMGUS as far as I can see.
I voted him because I thought he voted awfully freely and quickly for a replacement in a quicklynch game. When I asked him whether he was truly sure of his of his vote, he re-affirmed it.
You then randomly vote-switch with no explanation as to why you no longer want to vote Streeflo anymore
It had been six days, and nothing significant had happened. I said in advance that I suspected Khelv, so I don't see why you'd call it "random"
& decide to hammer Khelv for, as far as I can see extremely weak reasons, especially when compared to the Kaos hammer.
I don't know what point you're trying to make.
Now this was a little controversial b/c there was a miscount on the votes by Ryan, but I then you did explicitly state that you thought you were hammering (#165) so still a hammer I think you'll have to agree.
I've already stated that I don't consider a hammer different than any other votes in this game, since scum can quicklynch so easily. We shouldn't be throwing around pressure votes(althought I have done it accidentally[without thinking] a few times I now notice).
I know that you gave reasoning after the hammer, but that's the problem - it was
after
the hammer (hindsight again..) which kinda negates that for me I'm afraid.
Fair enough, I've already begun to suspect you for bringing all this up so long after your vote, even longer after these things happened, and only after I asked twice.
& then we have the very strange #199 where you ask me to explain my suspicion of IH (this made me look at yr. history a great deal more). You then quickly retract this when questioned - just weird man.
Now you're really acting dense. I voted you and asked you to explain your vote on IH. Deathsauce pointed out that you already had, at which I unvoted. It's not weird, and even if it was, that doesn't equate to scumminess. I'm interested to know how many games you're in groinhammer, because I'm in five, and I really don't have the time to keep track of every argument every single player has given, and when and for exactly how long every player is away
Then I had the problem that I was going on holiday, so decided to post #208 the way I did. As I saw things, a town player would actually complain a/b this (at least a little - didn't you find it even slightly weird that I worded things that way???); however you completely ignored it which I saw as a kinda reverso-OMGUS.
I don't know what you mean, but idr why I didn't call you on voting me without reasons at the time. But I don't necessarily believe that you had all these opinions the whole time, mainly because you still didn't bother to explicate your opinion, even after you came back and I demanded content.
left things for a while & then asked for the prod & subsequent vote on me when you knew (yeah, not believing you missing that, probably to do with the fact
xombie wrote:Vote: Groinhammer a little motivation to post when he gets back
...so basically you knew that I'd gone away) & no, it wasn't
just
to do with the prod, as I said that was more suspicious than not. It was to do with the vote dude.
"It was to do with the vote dude"? Thank you for clarifying. But I already explained I saw you were away after I asked for the prod. 2 days later when you still hadn't posted, I looked to see if you had maybe abandoned your account and saw the notice in your sig. If you really don't want to believe me, then I obviously won't convince you, but it's seriously idiotic to make assumptions like that.
Maybe seeing I've taken the time (on yr. request) to explain my vote for you in greater detail you could do the same for yr. vote on Streeflo?
I think I clearly explained the entirety of my case on streeflo when I voted him. A benefit you did not feel the need to give me
Also, if you feel that I shouldn't be voting for you maybe you could tell me why on that front as well...
That makes sense.