Mini 508- Trouble in New Catania-Game Over

[someone2]

I've putted that vote like two pages ago. At the time, we didn't had the little fight between the two groups, as explained above, so I didn't considered the number of information we could get by day 1.I did not change my mind: I still think Lowell is scum, and this conviction isn't like a bandwagon. Each time I posted, I tried to say why my vote lies on lowell by new stuff that happened close to my post.
That's why I want at the end a Lowell lynch. It's going to give us a lot of info and for me he has a lot of chance to turn out scum.

I removed my vote because:
1. I want to hear what Streeflo and replacement of BrianMcQueso has to say
2.We can eliminate half of the suspects by lynching Lowell, but if we can eliminate more today by questionning others, exactly what you do with me, it'll be better!

[The Fonz]

Votecount Six: In association with new Viagra Flakes- they really help you get up in the morning!

Lowell 5 (rite, Happiest Sadist, kuribo, [BrianMcQueso], LoudMouthLee)
kuribo 1 (Beastly)
LoudMouthLee 1 (Rishi)
someone2 2 (Lowell, CTD)

Not voting: death_omen, Streeflo,someone2

[CrashTextDummie]

I've putted that vote like two pages ago. At the time, we didn't had the little fight between the two groups, as explained above, so I didn't considered the number of information we could get by day 1.

Yeah, look, this is just crap. I'm sure this isn't the first game you're playing, so I'm sure you know that a lot of information can be gathered when you don't end the day on page 6.

2.We can eliminate half of the suspects by lynching Lowell, but if we can eliminate more today by questionning others, exactly what you do with me, it'll be better!

Except we can't. Scum vote for their partners and defend townies on a regular basis, and I find it incredibly hard to believe that you could be so naive.

[kuribo]

If Lowell reveals himself to be town, then the one that were pushing for his lynch, on the Mafia Lowell group have much more chance to reveal themselves to be scum. Howver, if he turns out to be scum, there will be one scum left and we'll be able to say that the ones on the Town Lowell group have much more chance to reveal themselves to be scum.

I find the first part of the quote as equally erroneous as the second.

You're saying that if it turned out that Lowell was a mislynch, then the people who were voting for him must also be scum. But towns mislynch quite often, and it takes townies as well as scum to do it, since the scum don't have enough votes to do it themselves.

As CTD has stated, scum vote oddly on a regular basis to prevent patterns from emerging and arousing suspicion in themselves. The converse of that statement is that the town isn't always correct either--- the guy you're sticking up for now may very well be the scum that NK's you.

When I wanted to lynch Lowell rather "quickly," it was because I was under the impression that we were under a deadline. Now that we're not (as has been previously stated to me about a million times ), I've also conceded that we have plenty of time to think things through. Judging from your reg date, you've been playing this game quite a bit longer than I have, and should be far more experienced in what's good for the town.

I must say, that initially I was suspicious of Claus--- and CTD as his replacement, by extension. However I'm not entirely sure about it anymore. CTD seems to be actively helping the town--- not any indication of innocence by any means--- but also seems to be legitimately hunting scum with us.

Lowell, I'm still suspicious of just because of his earlier behavior. I can say that his jumping on someone2 is defensible--- if someone2 is in fact scum, he's made an obvious and fatal error. Although yes, Lowell now seems to have his "head in the game," and is doing more than just giving sarcastic replies to legitimate questions.

I'm not willing to change my vote just yet--- I'm not thoroughly convinced of Lowell's innocence, nor of someone2's guilt.

We have quite a few players in this game who are posting sparingly if at all. I'd like to hear from some of you guys.

[kuribo]

When did I say that I thought that the town was ready earlier? I just didn't want a scum that would put the hammer on Lowell right now using what I said as a reason for his hammer in order to not leave the town time to accumulate more info, considering Lowell is town.

Maybe I'm the last one to pick up on this during my re-read of the last couple pages...

If you didn't want the scum to hammer Lowell, why did you put him at L-1? Obviously the scum wouldn't be able to hammer him if you hadn't put him at L-1.

THAT is not an error in English, more likely an error in judgment. Not just the previously stated objection that "at the very least" someone2 was ready to lynch, but the fact that he placed Lowell at L-1 and then claimed he didn't want a hammer.

[Lowell]

someone2 is insane, and probably scum.

[someone2]

someone2 wrote:
2.We can eliminate half of the suspects by lynching Lowell, but if we can eliminate more today by questionning others, exactly what you do with me, it'll be better!


Except we can't. Scum vote for their partners and defend townies on a regular basis, and I find it incredibly hard to believe that you could be so naive.

They don't often vote and attack their partners when they're at lynch-1.

You're saying that if it turned out that Lowell was a mislynch, then the people who were voting for him must also be scum. But towns mislynch quite often, and it takes townies as well as scum to do it, since the scum don't have enough votes to do it themselves.

As CTD has stated, scum vote oddly on a regular basis to prevent patterns from emerging and arousing suspicion in themselves. The converse of that statement is that the town isn't always correct either--- the guy you're sticking up for now may very well be the scum that NK's you.

I didn't say that the ones voting for him must be scum, they have more chance to be scum. We are gathering information here, not certitudes

Maybe I'm the last one to pick up on this during my re-read of the last couple pages...

If you didn't want the scum to hammer Lowell, why did you put him at L-1? Obviously the scum wouldn't be able to hammer him if you hadn't put him at L-1.

THAT is not an error in English, more likely an error in judgment. Not just the previously stated objection that "at the very least" someone2 was ready to lynch, but the fact that he placed Lowell at L-1 and then claimed he didn't want a hammer.

What error of judgment? I just change my mind... What's so scummy about changing his mind?

[kuribo]

The error in judgment I refer to isn't about changing your mind. It refers to your illogical claim that you don't want the scum to hammer him, even though you were the one that put him in that position to begin with.

[Beastly]

Now see how much information we can get by that. Lowell lynch is the one that will procure the town the most information. If Lowell reveals himself to be town, then the one that were pushing for his lynch, on the Mafia Lowell group have much more chance to reveal themselves to be scum.

Howver, if he turns out to be scum, there will be one scum left

and we'll be able to say that the ones on the Town Lowell group have much more chance to reveal themselves to be scum. In each cases, we can eliminate half of the suspects has scum candidates. I think it's great for day 1, isn't it?

Where did you get the idea that there is only 2 scum?

This is an amazing slip.

Most Italy games looking back have three scum, thinking there's 2 indicates a knowledge of the setup.

unvote, vote Someone2

[Rishi]

Okay. At first, I was going to jump to someone2's defense, saying that he's new and it could have been an honest mistake. Looking back over his games played, he has played in a game with Three Mafia before. I still think the slip might have been honest, but he is defending himself badly.

Vote: someone2

[Happiest Sadist]

someone2 is insane, and probably scum.

God. Damn. It. Lowell.

Why are you the prime candidate for getting lynched?

It is because you make claims that people are scum, in definitive terms, without giving a reason for your claims. Why are you unable to grasp this fact? Within the last page people have been giving reasons why they think Someone2 is scum. All you had to do to not dig yourself deeper is cite the same reason. Still you don't do it.

Considering this I feel confident Lowell is insane and probably scum.

[Lowell]

For HS:

I think someone2 is scum, but I can't be sure maybe he's scum but maybe he's not because I am town and can't tell you exactly who is and who isn't scum so please believe me but if you don't I'll understand cuz like I said I don't know for sure that's the important thing so make up your own minds and try your best so we as town can go get the bad guys and make them pay YAY TOWN!

Is that better?

FOS HS

. "one scum left" is why I'm voting someone2. I was clear about this.

[The Fonz]

Still doing my best re: the Brian situation.

[someone2]

The error in judgment I refer to isn't about changing your mind. It refers to your illogical claim that you don't want the scum to hammer him, even though you were the one that put him in that position to begin with.

I still want to hammer him, but not now. And that's what I told you, I changed my mind.

This is an amazing slip.

Most Italy games looking back have three scum, thinking there's 2 indicates a knowledge of the setup.

unvote, vote Someone2

FOS HS. "one scum left" is why I'm voting someone2. I was clear about this.

Bon, je crois que je vais devoir l'expliquer en francais, car on dirait que vous ne comprenez pas l'anglais.J'ai fait une simple erreur de sens dans le mot left, que,dans mon inexpérience de l'anglais, j'avais oublié qu'il avait deux sens, soit left dans le sens reste, et left dans le sens parti. J'ai utilisé ce mot dans le sens parti, et vous l'avez compris dans le sens reste. Je m'excuse donc de la confusion.

Do you need other proofs?, do I have to explain it in Chinese?

[Rishi]

Well, I think I will have to explain it in English because it looks like you do not understand English. I made a simple mistake of meaning in the word left, that in my inexperience of English, I had forgotten that he had two meanings, or left in the direction remains, and left in the direction party. I used that word in the sense party, and you understood in the sense remains. So I apologize for the confusion.

Mod note: It translates francais as ENGLISH? How shit a piece of software is that?

This is what someone2 said. I doubt it's the perfect translation, but I think I get the gist.

Unvote

[rite]

Just popping in because I realize I haven't been posting in a while; rest assured that I've been keeping up with the thread. My point of view hasn't changed: it's day one, so we have nothing to go on other than suspicious behavior. I think that a clear majority of us has found Lowell to be clear and away the scummiest of the posters today.

This is not to say that I'm sure that Lowell is scum, but I feel like I'm as confident of my vote on him as I will be today. I'll be honest here, I hate daystart day ones. I'm eager for this one to end as quickly as possible so we can get some concrete information and start strategizing.

Also, for the record, I understand what someone2 is saying, and I'm sorry that we're jumping on you for your english ability.

[kuribo]

I don't know that I completely buy the whole thing about someone2's intent being "one scum gone." I can see that English is not his primary language though, but either way his arguments are still kinda flaky--- He didn't want Lowell hammered, but cast the L-1 vote. It's kind of tough because there is a bit of a language barrier there. However, could it be that he's just using that to cover his mistakes? Hm.

I think more disturbing is Lowell. Still. To me, Lowell is giving off an impression of "throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks." He had been voting for someone2. He removes his vote, placing it on me. He seemed convinced of my scumdom, removed the vote calling me a newbie town, followed that up by saying I looked like scum "who had been caught." (but not putting his vote back on me) He then puts his vote back on someone2 and points an FoS at Happiest Sadist for pointing out something that Lowell has been doing throughout the game--- making comments on peoples' alignment without stating any reasoning for his opinion. Yes, it had been previously stated, but he's done it before:

But seriously, Stree is scum.

The suspicion on Claus is retarded.[/quote]

Stree is town.[/quote]

someone2 is insane and probably scum.[/quote]

When confronted by LML about the vote hopping and "jumpiness," his only comment is "because I'm awesome."

Also, since it hasn't been mentioned, has anyone else noticed that both with me, and now again with someone2, when Lowell changed his votes, CTD and Beastly were both right behind him?

[kuribo]

EBWOP: also, I am retarded and cannot use the quote function properly.

[Rishi]

*bump*

[death_omen]

This game is kind of reached a stalemate with not much more information. Right now I think its best to do a recap of where everyone thinks they are at the moment. I still Someone2's "accidental" slip looks pretty bad right now, but I will refrain from voting until I see an actual genuine defence instead of just an "accident" explanation.

[Lowell]

We need to get a better bandwagon moving here.

It's clear to me scum are sitting back hoping I'll be lynched. We need to move another candidate to the front, at least to make people have to choose. I still say someone2 is scum (even his "defense" reeks of scuminess to me), but if not then let's pile some votes on somene else. This is going nowhere.

[Rishi]

No one likes my LML vote. Sad.

[Lowell]

Ok.

unvote, vote LML

[death_omen]

Huh? That was weird Lowell its almost like you want to have a vote on a particular person all the time. Just because no one else was voting for Rishi's suspect doesnt always mean you have to jump on just to please them.

FOS:Lowell

[Rishi]

Huh? That was weird Lowell its almost like you want to have a vote on a particular person all the time. Just because no one else was voting for Rishi's suspect doesnt always mean you have to jump on just to please them.

FOS:Lowell

Yeah. That was so obviously scummy. I'm starting to think... Jester?

I don't think it's unheard of in a Mini Normal.