chazerino wrote:
Post no 1,
As I already said, I will not consider changing my vote and until yourself or other people convince me otherwise. This may be the random stage of the game, and if it makes you feel better, its still a random vote with no basis except to make you sweat, which you seem to be doing... I'm not one to change my vote without making sure I, personally, am sure. I will give you a chance however, you seem keen not to be two votes away from the slaughter and have now asked me twice to remove my vote, so beyond the reasoning that "I am a townie and if you lynch me you lynch one of your own" how can I be sure that not lynching you is a benifit to the rest of the group?
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Post no 2,Civil Scum, your vote is purely on the basis Im voting for you, yes? You feel you should not be at L - 2 so early as your new? (however the aim of the game is to kill mafia, not be nice to the new guys) but as someone said before someone should be because if we all voted differetly its like voting nothing at all. So, obviously, not voting for myself, who should I vote for?
You are currently the prime suspect in my book. I can tell you now my vote will be staying on you unless something major changes my mind because 23 posts in, (including mine) I am sure your scum. Your excuse "Im new" doesn't hold up with me. This is my first game here, 3 other people are new as well... and your OMGUS vote confirmed it, you actally didn't give a reason beyond the fact you want me at L - 2 as well presumably to take the pressure off yourself... I dont think that reason is sound.
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Post no 3, He is responding in that post to me, he then asks straight after to reconsider my vote. He votes for leet. This is a random vote.
I say no.
He asks again.
I say no again.
Because I refuse to budge he OMGUS votes me, which he is allowed to do providing he's doing it for the good of the town and not because Im voting him, which he has admitted.
After his random vote leet is not mentioned once.
The point remains, I responded to his "please can you change your vote" because he asked me, he didn't ever ask leet to take the vote off of him. It would have been ok if he had left it at that or then asked leet and whilst my vote may still be on him he would be looking a lot less suspicious. He looks so suspicous now because he asked a second time and OMGUS me... He also tries to pass off Ripley noticing his uneasiness as non-evidence as he's new. When whilst that may be correct its still able to be used to show he is scum.
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Post no 4,
CS wrote:
As it stands, all I can say for near cerainty are a few pairings I find impossible.
Ergo and myself: All of the suspicions revolving around Ergo's alignment are based on the case that I am town, and he is buddying up to me. I don't see how this case can stand as scum bailing out scum.
Why do you include yourself in this? Why do you see yourself as a potential pairing? That seems a bit suspicous...
CS wrote:
Porochaz and myself: too early, too risky
Leet and Porochaz: also too blatantly coordinated
Ergo and Leet: I find it highly unlikely that Ergo (as scum) would help take the heat off of me and place his vote directly at his scum-buddy's feet. Although, leet has messed up pretty bad...so maybe later I'll reconsider this one.
Zeek and anyone: I can't find a single scummy morsel in Zeek's posts.
Peapod: leaning towards scum for no apparent reasons
Ripley: 100% unsure
Here you go into PBPA... Your doing the impossible partners thing... who's peapod scum with? Id like to know who are your most likely scum pairings?
Your 100% unsure about Ripley, how can you be 100% unsure, that sounds deliberetly confusing... you can't be 100% unsure, you can be unsure but not 100% because by being unsure your struggling between 2 or more choices, thus not being 100%
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Post no 5, Im bored of your talk of the General Feeling, your talk in the post above is more attacking Ripley rather than defending yourself.(which kinda adds to your "blaze of glory" thing). You also claim that Garn, me, Zeek and Erg0 are all townies at the moment. To keep us on side perhaps?
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Post no 6, ...well you know, Im going on my feeling rather than "what Ripley thinks". CS, I have argued with you most of this thread, the only thing I think we ever agreed on was leet and his weird thinking behind us. Now Ripleys post helped me decide between what I see as my two options just now. Ripley accuses you of spin, you accuse Ripley of word bending, your repeating him………CS, there are just to many inconsistencies and bad posts, you bombard us with your general feeling and don't say outright what you actually think your counter-arguments to Ripley aren't that great as I highlighted above, you did nothing much to change that. I said this:
You also claim that Garn, me, Zeek and Erg0 are all townies at the moment. To keep us on side perhaps?
and then afterwards you say twice to me
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Don't be the scalp Poro.
Everything you do is trying to keep the 4 of us on side, but in the wrong way. You would have a better chance of making me think twice if you weren't trying to attack Ripley so much and actually started defending yourself more. In that line your basically saying "your going to look stupid if you dont do as I say".
K another thing,
The thing with Zeek and Poro keeping their votes on Ergo, and his being at L-2 for so long, and so much attack but no FOS no voting, leads me to believe Zeek and Poro are town, as well as Ergo. I don't have time to go into this, gotta study for a test. Let's just call it a feeling for now.
Apart from the general feeling thing which so annoys the hell out of me you then say this:
Ergo, that was just to say that if Ripley manages to get me lynched here, and u survive the night, then town is probably screwed.
Why? I am trying to think of a situation where this statement wouldn't contradict the one above but I cant think of one. The only clear situation I can think of is that you are now saying erg0's scum. If you truely are town, then isn't that going to cast Ripley in a bad light? Do you not think that we may think before we vote?
My vote ain't changing, if Im a "scalp" so be it.
Oh, and your overreacting again as soon as someone puts pressure on you
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Post no 7, Moving on...
Back with more on some of the other quesitons, and to adress other players besides Porochaz who seems to have made up his mind here. "...the evidence suggests he has gone too far to be a deluded townie"->Okay, what does that even mean? What evidence? Please justify your case before accepting Ripley's crap logic case.
Well I could do the falling asleep thing again, however the evidence could be anything from the first 3 or so pages and the last few... hell theres probably some stuff in the middle thats scummy as well, just to tired to go looking because yes, after a week of lectures, I am actually in real life tired and slightly grounchy, (can you tell?) I HAVE JUSTIFIED MY CASE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!! and just to get this clear because I havent mentioned this AT ALL before, Im voting you for my OWN reasons I mentioned in my OWN posts. Ripleys post helped a bit but in the grand scheme of things you were almost certainly the one I was going to go for.
Attacking/defending, you could be typing the words of all the Christmas Carols you know into one long post and Id still say your over reacting. Just cause I say that, it doesn't specify what your doing in relation to other people in the game.
Moving on again...
Ripley, thanks for explaining why your votes not on Civil Scum, I see exactly where your coming from but again, Im not changing my mind. I don't think CS is overconfident, by looking once again at the L-2 situation early on. He may not like your playing style but it jut smells newbie scum screaming for a way out rather than overconfident townie who thinks people with a different playing style are all scum.
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Post no 8, The thing is though your whole panicky attitude, the whole Erg0 defending/distancing thing and then your attack on Ripley. It all feels scummy to me, now you are the attackee so your bound to say its a weak case but I don't think it is. Me, Ripley and yourself have different playstyles. Me, I stick to my convictions, ok I will prod elsewhere but the main focus of my attack will be on the person most scummy. You, from my perspective, look at post X for something scummy and start picking away at it in the hope you find something decent to build on. Ripley has a less aggressive way, playing slightly more in the background, except when pushed forward, which you did just a wee while ago.
Yep, the case against Erg0 is affected by the whole thing with you and forms a large part of it. Except, my case against Erg0 is, to a large extent, fueled by you. So I look at you both and go "hmmm, I wonder how Erg0/Civil will react with Civil/Erg0 gone. How the dynamics will change? Now I can choose either one of you for the vote on this basis however it would be better if I went for the one looking more scummy from elsewhere to have a better chance of catching scum. That, my friend, is currently you.
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Post 9, Not quite. I think that although your acting just the way the example Ripley made (turning everything someone says into something scummy, finding not enough support so moving onto someone else) your doing it to look more deluded townie than scummy now (possibly not before Ripley mde that example) I found your sudden switch onto me very interesting. Just as if you had moved onto anyone else in the game, coz lets face it, you were pretty dead set on Ripley for a while...
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Post 10, Well this was an interesting one. "I find chaz scummy, I did find Ripley scummy so... Im gonna go vote for Garn. He could be scum, he could be town for all I care. Theres no point in having him around. I just saw the suspicion mount up on him and jump on the impending bandwagon early."
