Open 42 - Friends and Enemies - (Game Over) before 495

[The Fonz]

Mod Edit: Vote Count

ChaosOmega[3](Shanba, The Fonz, Phate)


Not Voting[4](Simenon, Samruc, ChaosOmega, Per)

Meh. All I know is, he's acting exactly as I would have done, when replacing in in that situation as scum.

[Phate]

Nope. I didn't go out of my way to make it look like I found him scummy. I just found him scummy, and said so, multiple times. I found several people scummy - CO most of all, then Simenon and Jex and Sammich, in no particular order. (on an unrelated note, I've just realised I have a pathetic record, but I take comfort in the fact that Jex and Simenon were masons, and the rest of the town felt the same way in Sammich's case). I believe I said in my first post that I would support the lynch of any of those people. Since the Sammich wagon had far and away most support, I went with that one, while still noting that CO was my first choice.

I didn't suggest you suggested that I treated Samruc and Per the same as ChaosOmega. I can read. Maybe you can't, though; you defy me to deny that and then quote the very post in which I deny it. In case you misunderstood, I meant I'm more biased in favour of Per than of Samruc.

Yes, that fact does remain. After stating my opinions, I pushed the lynch of those I both suspected and thought might actually get lynched - CO wasn't gonna happen on the day I replaced in, and Simenon's play struck me as odd on the second day until I realised he was claiming mason and the town explained why I was being a dumbass for not believing him.

Also, while Sammich may have had a common win condition with town, I think it would be a huge overestimation of his helpfulness and behavour to call him protown.

[The Fonz]

Nope. I didn't go out of my way to make it look like I found him scummy. I just found him scummy, and said so, multiple times.

This is what you don't appear to be grasping. I don't believe you're telling the truth. You said multiple times that you found him scummy, yes? So you did, in fact, make the effort to let it be known you found him scummy. Whether you actually

did

find him scummy, or are merely claiming to,

depends on whether you're truthful town or lying scum.

I found several people scummy - CO most of all, then Simenon and Jex and Sammich, in no particular order. (on an unrelated note, I've just realised I have a pathetic record, but I take comfort in the fact that Jex and Simenon were masons, and the rest of the town felt the same way in Sammich's case). I believe I said in my first post that I would support the lynch of any of those people. Since the Sammich wagon had far and away most support, I went with that one, while still noting that CO was my first choice.

And yet, it's Simenon and Jex, and not CO, that you made the effort to get lynched.

I didn't suggest you suggested that I treated Samruc and Per the same as ChaosOmega. I can read. Maybe you can't, though; you defy me to deny that and then quote the very post in which I deny it. In case you misunderstood, I meant I'm more biased in favour of Per than of Samruc.

Right. You wrote a paragraph about CO. Then you said 'I'm not treating Per

OR

(note, not and) Samruc similarly. Grammatically, since the object of the comparison cannot be either Samruc or Per (since 'I didn't treat X or Y similarly' implies TO Z -sorry if I'm being a bit of a grammar nazi here) the logical thing to assume was that you'd misread my post and thought I'd accused you of treating those two similarly to CO, whereas actually your mistake was to write OR where you meant AND.

[Phate]

@ you don't get it - grasp it perfectly. I realise that it depends on truthful town or lying scum. I know that I'm truthful town. So when you make an absolute statement "you made it look like you found him scummy" that implies scum, I'll respond with an absolute statement that I DID find him scummy that implies town.

@ and yet - I listed my top suspects, making very clear my preference for COlynch, but also making it clear that I would support the lynch of any of my suspects. We can repeat ourselves all day here if you like.

@ grammar nazi - my bad.

[ChaosOmega]

vote: Phate

I had a town read on you, but you seemed so eager to hammer in lylo. So eager that you didn't check the votes right, and now you just seem scummy to me.

[Simenon]

mod- prod Per

[Phate]

Get real, CO. Firstly, I don't think I've ever heard you call me town, although I could be wrong. More importantly, if I were scum, a hammer would be the win. So why would I tack two or three paragraphs defending myself from someone else if I could just win the game? And yeah, it is LyLo, and yeah, I would be ecstatic to see you hammered. Because I'm almost positive you're scum.

Vote stands. Hammer would be nice, someone.

[Samruc]

There has got to be scum on the wagon, and they are either waiting for Per, or CO is scum as well. Those are the only reasons I can see why CO is still alive, so if Per is scum we are pretty much sitting here waiting for the loss.

I can just hope my reads on CO and Per are correct, otherwise this means the loss:

Vote: ChaosOmega

[Simenon]

WHY WOULD YOU HAMMER WITHOUT EVERYONE POSTING FIRST.

Tomorrow you will lynch Samruc and TheFonz. Whichever first I really don't care. Any other lynch would be an atrocity.

[Samruc]

If you are so sure that there *will* be a tomorrow, why so upset?

[Phate]

Any other lynch would be not only an atrocity but a gameloss, wouldn't it?

[Simenon]

Because you just cut off any other discussion and blocked off Per, who has not posted since October, from posting alltogether. If you are town, I will throttle you.

[Simenon]

Any other lynch would be not only an atrocity but a gameloss, wouldn't it?

:hifive:

[Phate]

*grins cheekily at Simenon's apparent rage*

Gee, Sim, this is the most emotion I've seen out of you this game. Don't hold back; tell us how you REALLY feel.

[Samruc]

Well, if CO is town, we lost. I realise that. If not though, I might or might not have convinced some remaining townie I weren't his scum buddy, which hopefully reduces the risk for a mislynch tomorrow.

[Phate]

Translating townspeech to scumspeech:

"Well, I know CO is scum, so I couldn't win today. But if I bus him quick before someone else can hammer, I might convince some gullible townie that I wasn't his scumbuddy, which hopefully increased the risk for a mislynch tomorrow."

[Samruc]

Yes, I understand it could be interpreted that way too. At least there doesn't seem to be any celebrating scum on the streets yet...

[ChaosOmega]

Bah.

Go scum.

[Phate]

Huzzah!

[Simenon]

Bah.

Go scum.

Hold on.

It was you? o_0

[Phate]

Sim - if you didn't think CO was scum, and we're at LyLo, why didn't you mount a defense?

[Simenon]

That was sarcastic.

[Phate]

Oh. *feels stupid*

[Guardian]

Mod Post: End Of Day Vote Count

ChaosOmega[4](Shanba, The Fonz, Phate, Samruc)
Phate[1](ChaosOmega)


Not Voting[2](Simenon, Per)

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ChaosOmega, mafia

was lynched. You know, you hung him from a noose. He choked out "Bah, go scum." and died. What did you expect?

Night actions due in 3 days, game will start sooner if they come sooner.

[Guardian]

Simenon, mason

was killed in the night.

With 5 alive, it will take 3 to lynch!