Mini #111: Sonic Heroes Mafia (The fighting's over...)

[sycko999]

I'm confirming and asking who mathcam found innocent because if he is insane then we lynch them...but if he doesn't tell we will never know.

[dragonmaster]

Ok. here we go.

"If Nanook is scum and Mathcam is innocent, Nanook must have investagating possibilities, which seems quite unlikely to me, since investigating Mafia is quite rare. This option is very improbable."
I played in LOTR mafia on PNW Quizzing and I was Wormtongue, a mafia cop.

"Well, the doc should keep in mind who they protected and give them a slight innocence bonus in their records."
What if the doc protected mafia? Then they would thinking of the mafia as innocent when they are guilty.

"I'm confirming and asking who mathcam found innocent because if he is insane then we lynch them...but if he doesn't tell we will never know."
I think that Mathcam is innocent and Nanook is guilty. So I think that's a bad idea right now. It would only help the mafia at the moment. Later, if we are accusing the person that Mathcam investigated, then he should reveal it to us, but not before.

and finally:
"who was blocked..."
I actually didn't block anyone last night because I missed the deadline. Sorry that I'm no help to you guys. Oh, and a heads up, depending on who gets lynched, and the result of that lynch, I'm going to block the other person.

vote: Nanook

[sycko999]

vote: nanook the wolf

he didn't seem to say who was who in his name findings...they just came out and said it.

[sycko999]

Prince Kael, the reason that I felt you were scum is because of someone's post earlier. Each night I can get a players role name, and I found Espio for you, so since I saw that it was posted as a possible evil character in the game, I attacked you based on it.

Unvote: Prince Kael

Look at that, they might be mafia together and nanook wanted to make himself look less suspicious. He also won't claim, we know what he does so whats the big deal?

[sycko999]

I forgot to say he said that after kael claimed.

[Jolle]

I played in LOTR mafia on PNW Quizzing and I was Wormtongue, a mafia cop.

I said it was improbable, not impossible. It happens sometimes that a Mafia member has investigating possibilities, but not very often.

[Norinel]

I apologize for the short notice, but it's recently been determined that I'll also be gone next week. Blah. I'll see what needs to be done for here in a day or two.

[Fletcher]

Prince Kael, the reason that I felt you were scum is because of someone's post earlier. Each night I can get a players role name, and I found Espio for you, so since I saw that it was posted as a possible evil character in the game, I attacked you based on it.

Unvote: Prince Kael

Look at that, they might be mafia together and nanook wanted to make himself look less suspicious.

What are you bent on him having to be mafia? You have to look at the other side too. At this point there's just as big a possibility that he's really a cop-role, and that he's just Voting based on his investigations.

[sycko999]

True, but we have better chance of him being mafia. It just doesn't seem to sit right. I don't trust mathcam anymore but he is a little bit more believable.

[araltaln]

I really would like to hear Nanook's role name before I make up my mind.

[mathcam]

mlaker was my innocent. Personally, I do agree that we should lynch one of the two, but if I had to decide between Rouge between a sane cop or an insane cop (we know he's not paranoid or naive), I'd go insane, just to go with the evil motif. So I'm leaning toward voting mlaker.

Cam

[sycko999]

But if you are sane we just killed off a townie. We would have a better shot of hitting mafia if we lynch nanook.

[Jolle]

I do agree that we should lynch one of the two, but if I had to decide between Rouge between a sane cop or an insane cop (we know he's not paranoid or naive), I'd go insane, just to go with the evil motif.

He may be evil, but why would she get insane results because of that? Like others stated, he's good at what she does, and why would being evil change that?

[mathcam]

Well, maybe the intent of my role was to unknowingly deceive the town. Does it really sound right to you that Rouge is a sane pro-town cop?

But if you are sane we just killed off a townie. We would have a better shot of hitting mafia if we lynch nanook.

Yes, if I'm sane and we lynch mlaker, we killed a townie. If I'm insane and lynch mlaker, we've lynched a scum. Why does this make a better short of hitting mafia by lynching Nanook? This is only true if there's a better chance that I'm sane than insane.

The reason I'm skeptical about lynching Nanook is that he has an investigation role that has proven to work. While it's certainly possible that Nanook is scum with this ability, I find it much more likely that the currently-unclaimed mlaker is scum. Where is he?

Cam

[sycko999]

But nanook never said who was who he only said "I know who rouge is" then you said you were rouge. He could just be making all this up. The only way he can really prove himself is by telling us who someone is.

[Jolle]

Well we can let Nanook live and let him prove his role tomorrow. then we will know sure if he really has the role he says he has.

What some of you seem to forget is that if Mathcam is scum, we are in danger of losing two townies. For example: If we lynch Mlaker today and at the time he is lynched we discover he was innocent. Then we will conclude: Mathcam must be a sane Cop. The day after we will lynch Nanook, because of Mathcam's investigation.

If

Mathcam is scum and he made up his investigations, we will have to sacrifice two townies to discover if he's scum. This example also holds true if we lynch Nanook instead of Mlaker, only will we conclude that Mathcam is insane after day 2.

I don't really think it's worth sacraficing 2 townie, only to discover if Mathcam's scum. In other words: I don't think lynching either Nanook or Mlaker is such a good idea.

[Fletcher]

What some of you seem to forget is that if Mathcam is scum, we are in danger of losing two townies. For example: If we lynch Mlaker today and at the time he is lynched we discover he was innocent. Then we will conclude: Mathcam must be a sane Cop. The day after we will lynch Nanook, because of Mathcam's investigation.

If

Mathcam is scum and he made up his investigations, we will have to sacrifice two townies to discover if he's scum. This example also holds true if we lynch Nanook instead of Mlaker, only will we conclude that Mathcam is insane after day 2.

Exactly true, which is why we should lynch mathcam.

Also, can we get a vote count?

[Norinel]

Vote Count:

mathcam- 4 (Jolle, Fletcher, NanookTheWolf, mlaker)
NanookTheWolf- 4 (Maverick, Mojo, dragonmaster, sycko999)
sycko999- 1 (araltaln)

Not voting (2): mathcam, Prince Kael

6 to lynch.

(Editted to replace warpdragon with sycko.)

[NanookTheWolf]

Sorry Guys, I didn't mean not to be present in the game for so long.

Shockingly, I see 4 votes on me, so I suppose I will claim. I am Vector, Each night I can choose a player and find out what their role name is ... That is it, I hope you reconsider this lynch, and tomorrow, I can definitely prove my power if you let me. Just give me a person to investigate tonight, then I will announce their role name tomorrow is all.

As for the whole Rouge thing, I quite honestly don't really know anything about Sonic Heroes to tell you if he is lying or not, all I know is that I was given a name, I posted it, No one responded at first, so I investigated the name, then suddenly it was a issue. I could have told you who it was, but Mathcam jumped out and announced, so there is nothing that I can do about that now, but tomorrow my first post will announce all, if you let me.

[Maverick]

I'm willing to go with Nanook's claim, but I would like to know whose role he investigates, and the outcome.. So for now at least

Unvote: NanooktheWolf

. I think that mathcam being scum is a possibility, but I don't think I'm ready to vote for him yet. I would like to hear from him first.

*Maverick*

[araltaln]

Prince Kael, the reason that I felt you were scum is because of someone's post earlier. Each night I can get a players role name, and I found Espio for you, so since I saw that it was posted as a possible evil character in the game, I attacked you based on it.

Unvote: Prince Kael

The only time previous to Kael's claim that Espio was mentioned in the thread?

I agree with the idea that we probably have another vig.

Game theory:
In Sonic Heroes there are 12 main characters (surprised?). They are divided into 4 teams of 3. I think one of those teams may be mafia but I have reasons to think it may be split.

The four teams-
Sonic (Sonic, Tails, Knuckles)
Rose (Amy, Big, Creamy)
Dark (Shadow, Omega, Rogue)
Chaotix (Espio, Charmy, Vector)

And, a few posts down, one of two other mentions of the Chaotix, and the only place I can find it suggested Espio might be scum even indirectly:

Team Dark and Team Chaotix are both equally likely bad guys. Knuckles posibly could have been claimed evil.

(The other mention being my stating that this is not the first game the Chaotix have appeared in.)

Now, you've claimed Vector, another role from Team Chaotix. This seems inconsistent.

Unvote

, but I'm going to hold off on voting for a little bit, as I'm not sure if this is sufficient evidence or not.

[sycko999]

I'm not so sure about Norinel's moding style but just before this I was in Mario Mafia and the roles we screwed up. Mario was a townie, Bowser was a cop, Yoshi was Mafia along with Peach...ect. so we might be dealing with the least likely team to be evil, but I never played the game so I don't know. Also wouldn't araltaln be voting me not warpdragon because hes not playing?

[araltaln]

I'm not making any statements about the odds of a particular team being mafia (in fact, I'm still clinging to my convictions we won't have all 12 playable characters), but that's the only way it was suggested Espio might be scum prior to Kael's claiming, and if Nanook noticed that when he read the thread whenever having replaced in, if he's Vector, he probably should have noticed that.

(Although I suspect you haven't actually read my post, sycko, as I just unvoted whoever I'm voting for )

[sycko999]

Well I'm not saying just one team but more along the lines of Sonic being mafia and Shadow being good but I never played the game so I wouldn't know anyone.

Araltaln, sorry I didn't see that little unvote at the bottom.

[NanookTheWolf]

When I first entered the game, I didn't know which team I was part of, as it doesn't say that in my PM. I only later found that I was on Chaotix, which made me think later, I never mentioned Chaotix being a possible evil team, I just went with it at the time til I could fully catch up.