Mini 1869- camn's revenge GAME OVER!
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Gotta get my Post Count up man.beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Youve seen how I look as scum, not witness the glory of TownKopbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Who's super town btdubsbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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pisskop Survivor
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No it is.
Its✧ (ノ ◕Д◕)ノ*:・゚✧Meta✧:・゚✧beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Mastin could be scum or could be town, who knows? = this post basicallyIn post 187, Secret Agent Jin wrote:There is only a few people here that i have played games with, one of them being Dreal. If anyone else posted like Dreal has been i would look at those posts as a bit scummy but, i mean really, it is just Dreal being Dreal so i take whatever he says with a grain of salt but that can only last for so long.
I am attempting to get a feel of the players since this is the first time i have played with a majority of you all. Two questions arise for me.
1) Normally i would have a townlean toward Mastina because of the content she produced early but this is camn's revenge and it seems nothing is normal. My question: Does Mastina post these analytical posts a high majority of the time no matter alignment or is this a rare thing?
2) Mastina has basically excluded a small group of players due to her views toward how Pine would select the scum. To me this isnt an attempt to shade them from gazing eyes because if Mastina flipped scum then all eyes would be on tbose players. I think it is an actual pool of players that she has actually wrote off. She also said that both Nacho and herself cant be scum together for reasons she has explained multiple times. We really cant rule anyone out as its all WIFOM. Did Pine pick players he knew the majority would not think of or did he double back and pick players that are too obvious to be on his team. My question: Do you think the majority of Mastina's posts are genuine or fabricated to line up the lynches the way she wants?
She has obviously produced enough reasoning already, posted or not, to adjust her reads if one flips town. I can see it now, a wall sized bulletin board with pins and strings leading everywhere. If she is town, i can see someone flipping an alignment she didnt produce so she corrects her massive read board to calculate in how they flipped. If she is scum, she has piles of notes to justify why her read was wrong and line up another lynch. I mean, its basically all WIFOM pertaining to my view on Mastina also.
Schrödinger's Pine Box, did he choose Mastina or is Mastina a town asset? You wont know until its opened. Like "Yeah, no, the cats dead, we forgot to punch air holes."
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I apologize, i thought i conveyed my thoughts well in the post. Basically, Mastina'a posts to me don't tell us if she is town and doing a lot of work to game solve early or if she is scum and is doing a lot of work to set up the days how she wants them to play out. All that her posts so far tell us is that she is putting tons of information out in order to be able to cherry pick things from those posts later to pair with what people do, be that pro-town actions or anti-town actions i have no clue. She is brilliant though because you better bet that no matter happens, those posts will be used, be it If she herself returns to them or everyone else combs through them once there is a flip or two.In post 207, SirCakez wrote:
Mastin could be scum or could be town, who knows? = this post basicallyIn post 187, Secret Agent Jin wrote:*snip*
What do YOU think?I totally stole this idea from Human Sequencer
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VOTE COUNT 1 . 2- Secret Agent Jin ---0 ( )L- 7
BTD6_MAKER ---------0 ( )L- 7
TheRealGin-N-Tonic -0 ( )L- 7
Nachomamma8 --------0 ( )L- 7
Fate ---------------0 ( )L- 7
drealmerz7 ---------3 ( Vaxkiller, Aeronaut, pisskop, Pine )L- 4
Monokuma -----------0 ( )L- 7
mastina ------------2 ( drealmerz7, SirCakez, )L- 5
Aeronaut -----------0 ( )L- 7
Prism --------------0 ( )L- 7
SirCakez -----------2 ( Monokuma, Fate, )L- 5
Vaxkiller ----------0 ( )L- 7
pisskop ------------0 ( )L- 7
Not Voting -6 ( Secret Agent Jin, BTD6_MAKER, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Nachomamma8,
mastina, Prism, )
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Lynch
Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-22 18:00:00)Last edited by camn on Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:07 pm, edited 2 times in total."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Hop on the Caught Scum Express kthnxbeeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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In post 137, drealmerz7 wrote:over 14 days? geebusreal towns don't need deadlines to find a rope."if you weren't trying to be so unnecessarily mysterious all the time we wouldn't have these misunderstandings" - Yosarian2-
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Spoiler:
Fate!
Why don't you share with the class what you've learned! After all, questions lead to answers, and answers lead to knowledge, and knowledge is power! And I love power! Tell us everything!
Okay buster, you better start shaping up! You wouldn't want me to have to push punishment time up ahead of schedule, would you? Because I wouldn't. Bears are VERY particular about scheduling events. And it REALLY annoys us when you make us start doing things out of order! So listen closely!BTD6_maker wrote:Votes now matter, so this vote will now have genuine weight.
VOTE: Mastina
Stop voting based on pregame speculation of who Pine would and wouldn't pick. Stop it! Stop it now! It's useless speculation, you're not going to drive home a lynch based on that, so just stop bothering! Give us some actual content or you're gonna be in a world of hurt! An entire world! And the name of that world will be BTD6ia, and the temperature will always be too hot or too cold! Never temperate! It will be awful!
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In post 115, BTD6_maker wrote:VOTE: Mastina
It seems like you have played a lot of games with Pine. (I am completely ignoring posts made by Pine). At this early stage I would consider you marginally more likely to be scum.Let's give it everything we've got! It's punishment time!-
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agree I'm used to playing with no deadlines often enoughIn post 212, camn wrote:In post 137, drealmerz7 wrote:over 14 days? geebusreal towns don't need deadlines to find a rope.
but I've noticed ppl on MS like to dilly as long as possible for no reason other than fear, so, it's a bit daunting
I'm good thoughbalance among all things-
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yeah I'm not really draft-speccing but more thinking mastina outed themselves as scum for doing the draft-speccing in the manner and with the content that they did it with- I can't help that that is the content that is helping me form my reads, but it's not the speccing of the draft itself that is forming the readbalance among all things-
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I think youre missing the point.
Its not about not having deadlines, its about wrapping it up b
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Oh.In post 216, Monokuma wrote:In post 115, BTD6_maker wrote:VOTE: Mastina
It seems like you have played a lot of games with Pine. (I am completely ignoring posts made by Pine). At this early stage I would consider you marginally more likely to be scum.
Well then can you answer my other question from before?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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whats this draft I keep hearing about?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Thats a crappy answer
Is that why Im a vig?beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop.
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Case'n'point that you don't know me.In post 126, drealmerz7 wrote:it's unfortunate your scum game isn't as refined, you should play more
My scumgame is the most refined of any player on mafiascum. There's a damn good reason I was nominated for Don Corelone on consecutive years. (I lost both times, but I was nommed all the same.) You'll never find a player more self-conscious about their own meta than me. You'll never see a player who better knows what she can do, what she can't do, what she does and can't replicate/hide as an alignment, and what she does that can be replicated/hidden as an alignment*.
There's a reason why I take elements from my scumgame when playing town. No seriously. I deliberately take elements from my scumgame into my towngame. Rather than vice-versa. You know why I take elements from my scumgame into my towngame, rather than elements of my towngame into my scumgame? Because my scumgame needs nothing to improve; my towngame needs desperately to improve.
About once every year or two, I'll crave a scum game to show off my skills, demonstrate this first-hand. "You think I suck as scum? HA. Well, HERE YA GO, THIS GAME SHOWS YOU WHY I DON'T." Now while I did come in this game quite frankly expecting to be scum, I don't actually have a need to show off my skills. This game was recent enough that I can say, "that's what I can do as scum". Where in spite of beingconfirmed scum, our lover didn't vote for us for days. DAYS. Despite us being 100% confirmed absolutely to be confscum. We had them so thoroughly fooled (and that was all me), it took them a long time to accept it. I mean, yeah, we didn't win that game: we were, after all, CONFIRMED SCUM. There was no way to wiggle out of it. But the fact that we almost did in spite of the game being literally impossible for us to win should tell you something about my manipulation skills as scum.
So there's damn good reason I prefer town: because my towngame? Yeah, not so stellar, that. It's what I need to improve on, so it's my preferred alignment and also what I am most enthusiastic about. As scum, it's generally a given: "Oh, I'm going to win this game". Or lose it purely by a combination of bad luck and unfortunate mechanics in play, as it so happened, but close enough. As town, I have to fight every step of the way.
No, because I am insanely mislynchable as town. Like, ridiculously mislynchable as town. Like, I get mislynched more often than I live. Like, basically the only time I don't get mislynched is when I'm either nightkilled and/or conftown of some sort. You can push a wagon through on me if you wanted to. You also can't be lynched because fuck that, I'll fight every step of the way to keep you alive.I will likely direct efforts elsewhere since tunneling on you on D1 is about 100000x more likely to get me lynched more than you
Or Aeronaut, or Nacho.where do you think I should direct them? TRGNT, eh?
Quite the opposite. Fuck focusing on Btd6, Fate, Monokuma, pisskop, Prism, SirCakez, or Vaxkiller. All that'll do is serve to demonstrate what we already know: you're town, they're town, your efforts there would be town-town, and thus a waste of time.anywhere but you, I'm sure
*Speaking of which, time for the obligatory plug of the flowchart. What flowchart, you may ask? This one, of course!mastin2 wrote:mastin2 wrote:Bulbasaur Commonwealth wrote:Here, for your reading pleasure, might as well quote this.In post 24, mastin2 wrote:
Actually...I have.In post 3, SleepyKrew wrote:I think everyone should make one of these. Especially mastin.
I've been meaning to post it, too. It's about a year out of date, though, but I started compiling a way around Mafia with the Quickness 2 called, "How to read Mastin: the flowchart".
Some of them are out of date thanks to contextual meta shifts, but most of them still apply.Spoiler: Stuff about itBulbasaur Commonwealth wrote:(Note of course that the flowchart is never 100% accurate. It's impossible, literally impossible, to display all of them in a single game since many of them are in fact slightly contradictory, but the point is to see as many as possible and if the majority matches town or scum. This chart has been in play for quite a while, now, and to this date, in spite of no active attempts to uphold it and some attempts as scum to subvert it, remains highly relevant to my play. It goes to prove my point, though: scuMastin always has this laser-like focus. Anything Goes in particular, until I faked having my confidence shattered, I was pushing for a specific lynch. In games like Resistance where I was the last living scum in lylo, I wove a narrative specific to one player being scum because I held focus. In my entire scumgame career, holding focus has done nothing but serve me well. Losing focus has done nothing but screw me over. Because guess what? People like focus. They like confidence. They love to see assurance in a read. They want to have a figure be charismatic and to follow. It's an inherent part of people's nature. That's why tunneling is so prevalent, because it works DAMN good and well to get a lynch. People hate doubt. When someone is calling everyone town/scum in rapid circles, AKA circlejerking, people think it's scum trying to mislynch anyone. They see desperation and attribute it to being scum. They don't see a town player desperately trying to figure out the game. They see a scum player that is trying to find options. So damn fucking straight. Maybe someday I'll flail as scum. It could in theory be this game. But in practice? Fuck no. As scum I'd push a lynch through; as town, here I am without a clue.)
^That's how. ('Course, the flowchart was developed for single-ball games. I actually have no clue myself how well it does or doesn't hold up in multiball.)Bulbasaur Commonwealth wrote:(I really need to also add a section in there about explicitly blowing up.
I don't think I've ever thrown f-bombs around as scum freely, aside from some trolling in L4D when I literally claimed scum in-thread once I realized Molla had a guilty on me.
As town, you'll note, I go absolutely ballistic, and for damn fucking good reason. Lynching me has never done a town favors, ESPECIALLY not in the lategame.)
Not included: "Is she doing anything?"mastin2 wrote:(I just realized that an item not on the flowchart but which should be is how I explain my reads:
"Does she explain her reads in crystal clarity?
No-->Almost certainly town, though you can proceed as a precaution just in case.
...Maybe?-->Probably town, but proceed anyway.
Yes-->Proceed.")
Yes-->Well, go read what she's doing, dummy!
No-->She's probably fighting a flake.
Doesn't tell you alignment, but is useful to have on there anyway.
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