I'm very skeptical of the townbloc.In post 2048, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:What's wrong with or plan seriously?
I would give SAJ's chance of flipping scum trivially higher than if you were to just RNG a name.
I'm very skeptical of the townbloc.In post 2048, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:What's wrong with or plan seriously?
Well the biggest one I see is assuming everyone "Jamming" last night is town. The other is ignoring fate. I don't get it, everyone seems to think he is scummy, but doesn't want to vote him.In post 2048, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:What's wrong with or plan seriously?
I don't see why you couldn't, especially day 1.In post 2054, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:8 hours Vax, 450 posts of meaty game solving content. You just don't do that as scum.
EBWOPIn post 2057, Prism wrote:The fact that, from your perspective, my whole game is created to get you to townread me, and wholly artificial, completely inorganic, andstill townis puzzling.
Simple. I get my best reads from exactly that.In post 2014, Aeronaut wrote:So, I don't really get how this sort of question helps you. I've watched you ask similar things a few times now in this game, but I don't see how this is giving you information besides what people think of you, which isn't really that helpful IMO
The reads I feel confident in are Mastina, Gin, and Aristo. I will defend these reads to the death and if you're skeptical about them, then my posts will be more geared towards convincing then listening because getting townreads of this strength is very strange and not something I let go easily (and if other people do not stupidly lynch any of those players then we win the game). If you're trivial in the rest, good; talk to me about them. Provide an alternative. If you don't, sorry the lynch is going through.In post 2050, Prism wrote:I'm very skeptical of the townbloc.In post 2048, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:What's wrong with or plan seriously?
I would give SAJ's chance of flipping scum trivially higher than if you were to just RNG a name.
What are your specific criticisms with {Gin, Mastina, me, Aristo}?In post 2052, Vaxkiller wrote:Well the biggest one I see is assuming everyone "Jamming" last night is town. The other is ignoring fate. I don't get it, everyone seems to think he is scummy, but doesn't want to vote him.In post 2048, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:What's wrong with or plan seriously?
There is a difference between posting for 8 hours and scumhunting for 8 hours.In post 2056, Vaxkiller wrote:I don't see why you couldn't, especially day 1.Besides, most of us do not have that type of time to devote to anything, so how is the AI?
I like that you are working things out, but you guys seem to think that you are all now super-town-game-In post 2063, Nachomamma8 wrote:What are your specific criticisms with {Gin, Mastina, me, Aristo}?
In post 2062, Nachomamma8 wrote:The reads I feel confident in are Mastina, Gin, and Aristo. I will defend these reads to the death and if you're skeptical about them, then my posts will be more geared towards convincing then listening because getting townreads of this strength is very strange and not something I let go easily (and if other people do not stupidly lynch any of those players then we win the game). If you're trivial in the rest, good; talk to me about them. Provide an alternative. If you don't, sorry the lynch is going through.
Right now I've spent a long time forming those reads. Those reads will be hard to change unless people bring up good points; I will consider eachIn post 2067, Nachomamma8 wrote:Like I've said before, if you've brought specific criticisms, bring them up. If you don't have specific criticisms and just have uneasy feelings, there's nothing I've done - I've thought about this game and I've thought about my townreads them in particular for longer than I've thought about most games and so if something is going to chance in my reads, then it will be in response to new information; it won't be because someone tells me to read again.
If you are scum this game, then your play is absolutely atrocious and bizarre to the point where I'll either need some fantastic explanations for what the hell you've been doing this entire game, or my excitement for playing scum with you and my high, high respect for your scum game will take a very serious nosedive.In post 2057, Prism wrote:@Nacho:You're missing a few pieces here. First is that only my recent posts really pivot on you-specifically because I am trying to nail you down as town. (I'm working on getting away from this)
One of the first missing pieces is that you seem to think my interactions with mastina were donefor you. This was not the case. It was targeted towards the game at large and was finishedbefore you even came to weigh in. Your warnings about it have largely been ignored.
The second is that I did not remember you had seen Podoboq's game untilafterit was over. The purpose of my "winks" and open discussion over it was that the alternative-noticing it yourself-is damning and grounds for an instant lynch. Bringing it up and turning it into a discussion is the best way out of this.
Second is that my line about feeling you townread me anyway was a lie to see if you'd do it. There'sno reasonfor you to believe that I did any of that as town, especially if you think the endgoal is to get you to townread me (which appears to be the case). The fact that, from your perspective, my whole game iscreated to get you to townread me, andwholly artificial, is puzzling.
I really don't like your earlygame. Last night is really your only saving grace.
P-Edit: Gin, can you explain in your own words why I'm town? Why does my ego battle only come from town?
Which means the second you did something good, you had to run to me and point it out. To me, if you are scum, this is a desperate interaction; I'm not giving anyone a townread I care about due to interactions with Pine and yet you had to take me the time and hit me over the head with it about why I might think that it's town. At first, I was townreading you but then you point it out to me specifically and I twinge. But whatever, strict null, moving on.In post 397, Prism wrote:You can argue WIFOM all day long here, but two things are on display here: 1. Pine read none of my games 2. Pine's pride clearly took a hit.
This is a missed opportunity, lazy; Mastina at this point had already become very, very polarizing. If you were scum, it's an infinitely better move to choose a side and gain some allies then just coast through the thread. But instead you go "hey guys, I'm not commenting on anything that people care about so far" - maybe you do this as scum to set up a negging manipulation of mastina down the road (sometimes you can get a solid townread from someone by harassing someone a good degree, getting their ire up, then recognizing why they are town), in which case, fine. But your manipulation of mastina was ruined when you again spent too much time talking to me about why I should be creeped out of your manipulation of mastina; you're right that she's not listening to me now because it doesn't make sense to. But when there are townflips, paranoia engages and if you think that she's not going to come back to me saying I have personal experience with you and holy shit your scum game terrifies me so don't let you get far don't let you get far don't let you get far, then you're delusional.In post 321, Prism wrote:If mastina has any good points whatsoever they're being completely lost. I'm pretending the past 5 pages don't exist unless your name is Aeronaut.
You're wrong about at least one of those people, and probably right about two of them.In post 2023, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:jam session, vote Jin
we found the scum group it's Aero, Jin, Mono
Um, but why though? What has dreal done that's changed your mind? All he did in that time was jump off of a confirmable townie slot onto Gin without a hint of reasoning, so from your perspective, that's NAI at best, scumposting at worst.In post 2026, Vaxkiller wrote:Pretty unlikely. Aero is rising on my scum list and dreal is falling.In post 1895, mastina wrote:Like.
Would Vaxkiller + Secret Agent Jin + Aeronaut be plausible?
It kinda feels right to me, but I'm not sure by how much.
Why would there be a cop if Mastina can confirm people?In post 2030, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Today's lynch is Jin, we Vig Mono and cop goes after Aero.
No, I voted fate, caught up, hated the wagon on him, and then decided fuck that.In post 2037, Vaxkiller wrote:WARNING QUOTE WALL:
Spoiler:
I was really bothered that you jumped off fate. TO me it kinda looked like you voted fate (your scum partner) at the beginning and then got stuck there because a wagon formed pretty quickly.
When asked you seem wishy washy about it. You are like: yeah fate could be scummy, but I dont want to lynch. This just seems like protecting to me (See above and below)
My issue with it is that it just seems like asking random people random questions; what did you get out of that?Looking for associations. Also some people have expressed thier thoughts on one or the other and I wanted to make sure were still true, or get reasons for them not being so.In post 1267, Aeronaut wrote:Can I ask why you chose those specific people to talk about those people respectively?
Not everyone answered.
I mean, If you've got a better plan, share it. And looking back at what Jin has posted, do you see anything that makes him really pro-town? He posted waffly and wavy reads, and then left for a week, and didn't do anything since.In post 2038, Vaxkiller wrote:Voting secret agent jin is about the least town thing you can do at the moment. WTF is anyone even voting him? You are just handing scum an easy lynch that they wont ever have to explain thier vote on because he is MIA for 3 days.
Can you take me through that?In post 2059, Prism wrote:Simple. I get my best reads from exactly that.In post 2014, Aeronaut wrote:So, I don't really get how this sort of question helps you. I've watched you ask similar things a few times now in this game, but I don't see how this is giving you information besides what people think of you, which isn't really that helpful IMO