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Stop spouting off stupid ideas and I'm all for not lynching you right now.egruntz wrote:What the hell is going on? Wonderful way to start off the game, guys!
I, personally, find the first day to be completely useless. It's happened many times: tons of discussion, just to get back where we started, and in the end we all just vote for no lynching.
On the first day, I think it'd be best to not lynch at all. If we just take out a random guess, we could end up hurting ourselves in the process.
I'm not voting for it just yet, to see if any discussion can be born from this; but seriously, stop voting randomly for idiotic reasons.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Look, random voting is an essential part of the game and I'm going to doubt anyone's mafia playing ability who doesn't realize it. It gets discussion going and then someone says something and it gets analyzed and then someone says something else and it get's analyzed. Like now, egruntz said "hey, guys we should no lynch" everyone reacted and now The Fonz said "he is a newbie so don't pay attention" These are two of the more important pieces of evidence right now(in my opinion) and both have happened due to the random voting phase, so quit your bitching, kthnx.
Second, I hate all this random lynch talk. We are not randomly lynching anyone. We are gonna decide via deliberation and democracy, thusly forcing people to make a decision. Discussion is good. Interaction between players mean things; Making it ignorant and irresponible to end day immediately with a random or No lynch. And if it was random, I'd much rather roll an 18 sided dice and lynch the player that's number comes up. That has much more of a chance a causing interaction between players then just saying okay guys, vote no lynch. Besides no lynch can't even defend himself.
Anyway, back to important things,Vote: The fonzYou wrote off a newbie that obviously wasn't even a newbie and then you voted someone for attacking the guy's idea, which was obviously terrible.
P.S Thinking someone is scum is not the only reason to vote for someone, don't be so naive
P.S.S I think Fonz is scumSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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@Egruntz, being a moron is not a playstyle.
Mills, bringing up DS other was purely stupid. You didn't need to. You're newbie scum in my mind and needed a reason to lynch DS and brought that up along with his random votes. I haven't seen anything wrong with what he has done in this game and it didn't warrant your attack on him. Even if he was consistantly a moron, it doesn't mean he is scum. I'd like to call thinking all idiots are scum the Battle Mage Fallacy. I think all your thinking and action has been guided by an anti-town goal and i'd like to conclude with aVote:MillsSometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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But there were no reasons for what you did. I don't see what he did that warranted your attack. Anti-Town includes scum.
For future reference, I just loop all anti-town alignments under that title cause the more anti-town players we lynch the less townies we lynch and the closer we(the town) get to winning, correct? Are people seriously gonna complain about semantics when there were players in this game that were so intent and almost scarred of lynching town on day 1?Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I used to be a full supporter of this but I have lynched Albert B. Rampage, Schismatized, Yougurt Bandit, and Battle Mage faaaaaaar too many times to do it again. I've lost a game due to an idiot counterclaiming a claimed Jester( we lynched the real jester thinking he was SK), but I've also lost a game because we lynched an idiot cause he was a cop that counterclaimed a scum, so point is Idiots can have pro town power roles too.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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which exactly why I found it distancing because you guys simply didn't leave it and found it necessary to talk for half a page about post 47(which I took as Mills did), which was scummy, but Mills faced zero consequence anyway he answered the question. Making it non-consequental, and anyway you view that post, still makes it scummy, making the entire conversation about bullshit. And I know that two people disagreeing doesn't mean their distancing or I would have said BooKitty and The fonz were distancing.(yes, I wifomed, deal with it). The reason their is a difference between the arguements is because their arguement could have very well got one of them lynched based on response, or at best serious attention. Mills and your conversation(as stated) held no importance on anyones votes at all.hasdgfas wrote:Did I vote him? FoS him? express any suspicion of him whatsoever besides saying that he possibly straw-manned? No, in fact I have liked most of what he said. We disagreed about this, but it was one point, and just because two people disagree does not mean they're automatically distancing.
FoS: everyone voting for Diciple SlayerBandwagoning and calling Mills an idiot doesn't make him scum and it seems that people are just jumping on him cause he is an easy lynch.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Cause his vote counts are sexy.Bookitty wrote:@Panzerjager:
Why do you think Elias is town?- Damn right.
I am pround of myself, I made it a year.
FoS:DarkErmac
I haven't really liked what he has had to say, but i think it's semantics cause the idea isn't scummy just the words.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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You shouldn't unvote, and if you voted because disciple slayer was a moron then your probably being oppurtunistic. In my opinion, most of the DS wagon was oppurtunistic because he simply was easy.
Between the attacks and unvote I would like toFoS:Cowand say that I'm exetremely happy My vote is on Mills.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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His replacement is lynched. There is no excuse for such scummy behavior and if we let all this go it would be, as Snaps would say, letting the scum have nice big hiding spaces.
To me this ensures that he is scummy, he simply has had a meltdown and is kicking and screaming so he packed up his toys and went home. I believe this meltdown to be pressure induced.
The people that are accusing him have not been leaving for several days(except for Phate) I have been the only one that has been stron on his wagon and the most days I have been gone is i think 2..since this game started. And so what if people disappear for up a day or two? It doesn't hurt the game that much and people do have lives outside of MS.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Pow In the kisser
Anyway, we need some more votes on Mills. I know it is customary to let the replacement defend himself but it's really not necessary here. Nothing in my mind can make DS/Eteocles(or anyone else) more scummy the Mills short of them claiming scum.
Why DS shouldn't even have votes.. When he was bandwagoning it was cause we(as a collective) were joking about bandwagoning to victory and everyone was all for bandwagoning. That was the time he was bandwagoning. He then called Mills an idiot because of the attack on DS. Mills was being stupid so again I think thats a non-factor. The only good reason was him going from Bookitty to fonz.. thats it.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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There are probably more then 3 scum cause it's 18 player game.. My guess is either one group of 4 or 2 groups of 3. I try to avoid doctor speculation.
Antithesis, read the post that Bookitty pointed out and read a few of my post, I put a present a case a couple of times on Mills.
CKD is definently the next best lynch candidate. I still don't believe in the DS wagon and I think it is scum induced.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Honestly I was just trying to include everyone in that post, and finding someone 5th scummiest is not really that bad. And CKD has jumped fully ahead of DS and I stand by everything I said about DS' playXylthixlm wrote:Panzerjager has now gone from FOSing everyone on DS to calling DS 5th scummiest and back.
I also notice she didn't mention the possibility of a serial killer, despite bringing it up earlier.
Something isn't adding up here.FOS: Panzerjager.
About the serial killer comment, You are reaching exetremely bad. If I seriously thought that Phate was SK, don't you think I would be voting him. And in that post I was simply telling Antithesis(due to his lack of experiance) that there were definently more then 3 due to game size, not trying to engage in serious set up speculation(which is bad).
I will be doing a case on CKD later on in the post, so I'll get to that suspicion right nowhasdgfas wrote:Panzer is making me scratch my head. I don't know what he's seeing in CKD to think him more worthy of a "lurker lynch" than DS/Eteocles
Imagine that CKD finally has time to post after getting 2 votes on him. First of all, My activity level in other games, present and past, was never caused by the lack of caring about a game due to being in other games. Yes, there are games that I have been a lurker and not posted all together, but that has been to things in my real life stopping me from being able to play the game and get on the computer. Any game i realized I couldn't handle I have replaced my self out of and apoligized that I couldn't make it.curiouskarmadog wrote: aww, now look OGML and Panzer's votes are soo cute. Ask yourself this, why are they focusing on me who is actually posting (even though it is quite little) over those who are not posting at all? Panzer's vote I can understand, even though I find it hypocritical. Panzer, I bet I wont have to dig ever far in your meta to disocver you posting very little in a game or even getting replaced for not posting at all (but do I really need to?). I think Panzer might be just trying to stir shit to see what develops. WHich could be townish. However, OGML, he is basically taking the lynch the lurker attitude to jump on a develoing bandwagon early. He is hoping I turn into the next bandwagon before the lynch comes down.
vote ohgodmylife
now that I have voted and provided some content, I wonder if he will take his vote off or backtrack and come up with another reason. Answer me this, ogml, why are you focusing on me after Panzer vote, versus people WHO ARE ACTUALLY LURKING THIS GAME? I think that your reason is bullshit...now that I have posted, what next?
To me the fact that you weren't posting simply because you'd rather be posting else where is exetremely scummy because you went through all of day 1 doing, establishing a precedent of "I ignore games because other games are better", which would give you a pass later. That is why I hold you above the other lurkers and as Rishi said I think DS is an Easy target that shouldn't be lynched unless we need a deadline lynch.
So back to CKD, I'll give everyone the Reader's Digest version. Lurking in plain sight(just because you post doesn't mean your not lurking and not the biggest offender) and refusing to post in this game due to other games"heating up". This will establisha precedent that if we don't lynch him fr it or at least establish that it's not okay, he can use it to avoid serious questioning and slide by into the later days(which is bad for us if he is scum or continues to be a useless town). When he did post content, he was exetremely overdefensive about two votes that were on him, I love how two votes got him to post actual content, and actually OMGUSed OGML.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I'll second that question rishi, although i think some of his analysis(in the post 427) I don't necessarily agree with, one being voting OGML.
I'm in consensus with BooKitty. I feel we had it right and we let it slip right through are fingersUnvote,Vote:Egruntz\
At this point, I think if DE is scum, there are probably 2 scum groups, Egruntz and Xyl and maybe one other, in "Group A" and DE and company in "Group B".Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Okay before I adovacate the lynch of egruntz with a case I want to indulge in some kill speculation. I think that a vig/sk killed CKD and that there are 2 mafia groups, Xyl's thinking that Fonz was a threat and the other group thinking Xyl was a threat.
My second guess. We have a single, larger scumgroup and an SK and a Vig. Scum still shooting Fonz, Vig Shooting CKD and SK hitting Xyl due to Sk think Xyl is a threat. Do not take either of these as abosolute, they are simply my opinions on the matter. I don't think there should be a huge arguement about this, just throwing my opinions out there.
Egruntz should be lynched. Period. He is currently flailing and Xyl early actions seem to as if Xyl was trying to almost bus Egruntz.*refraining from directing the vig due to that being scummy*
By the way,Huge FoS: BooKittyIf I wasn't positive that egruntz was scum, I'd want her lynched immediately. People seem to be ruling out the biggest most probable option. Godfather.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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No..BooKitty is right.
Godfather's appear innocent on investigation, they are not immune. I was thinking they were immune, giving him a "no result" but i checked the wiki and I was wrong.
Right, now I'm putting my money on role blocker. Reasons to be withheld for now.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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The Back-Up cop is dead so we know there has to be a cop. By virtue of no one counter claiming Antithesis, antithesis is pretty definently cop, and by virtue of(warning: I'm about to coin a new term) "Metamodding" Mafia probably has a roleblocker. Not only is that the most common site-wide it is the most common for elias personally. I'm willing to beat it is a roleblocker, but enough setup speculation aND trying to out smart the mod, lets lynch egruntz.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Unvote. Vote:Xyzzy, FoS:Skruffs
Xyzzy is definently scum methinks, for the same reason and some others then Vollkan.
I really don't like Skruffs vote on Rishi. Colors =Alignment.
Plus.. 18 people = Common setup is 2 groups of 3. Plus, Elias likes that setup and the guy who review his setup also favors using that setup. TSQ is the person who reviewed the setup.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I understand where you can see it ass him trying to look townie and being faux helpful, especially because I believe we already established that there were 2 scum groups in this game. The colors are prolly the only difference, I feel you on that. Anyway, back to rishi, I think Rishi is on that fine line of being town and seeming town but I'm leaning towards actually being town.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Because Phate has pretty much ridden off into the sunset, as in was posting heavily and now is not. That is a pet peeve of mine. Like I understand a couple days. Like 2 especially from a heavy poster such as phate but his last post was a vote on egruntz 10 days ago(which could very well be due to night but before that He posted on the 2nd and the last time he posted before the 2nd was January 19 which is something like 14 days. On top of his sketchy posting history his vote reeked of him Bussing his scumbuddy(egruntz) That is why I voted Phate.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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EBWOP: That was me answering Snaps and I thought the Vollkan-Skruffs DEBATE was good. Very good, I think I've soaked up a lot of information from it. I think a 2-player debate is much better then Any ammount of players argueing. As long as the debate doesn't get out of hand, then I think it is healthy for the game but I agree it shouldn't go on for too long allowing everyone to jump on one guy or the other.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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Unvote, Vote: BooKittyFor post 552. How do you know that Xyl wasn't killed by an SK or Vigilante? Why are you assuming that the NK's were not CKD and Fonz, in a situation in which a Egruntz-OGML team would could have killed Fonz and the Xyl scum group killed CKD. Not only does that situation seem a lot more likely but it seems like you have inside knowledge of how the Night Kills went down.
I'm still suspicious of Phate but this is of much more importance.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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You missed my arguement apparently. You were assuming that Xyl was killed by a scum group. He could have been shot by a vig, in which case OGML doesn't have to be part of egruntz's group. It seemed you completely ignored that possibility, which could lead to you knowing one of the kills.
So group 1 Egruntz-___-____ and group 2 is Xylthixm-____-____
By your logic you saying that OGML-Egruntz- ___ is a group but the only thing stopping you is that you are set on thinking that they shot Xyl. 3 kills means they could have shot Fonz. The only reason you wouldn't consider this is due to you knowing one of the night kills.
Since your accusing OGML if he is indeed scum he is I believe he is of the XYL scum group. I believe, you are in the Egruntz group and you are just trying to get OGML lynched regardless of his alignment. which is how you'd know your group killed Xyl and trying to pin it on OGML. It would be safe to bus Egruntz because it makes it easier to stay at 2 and you'd be tied with xyl due to dying,Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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The advantage is to raise one's perception as town. Bussing your teammate is a viable option because it makes you look town. It would help your team by not getting you lynched by the town because they think you are town. You weren't the only one who accused him and until you mentioned it I didn't even know you had an arguement against egruntz. Again you'd do it because it'd make you look town.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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I think OGML is a scum that can now claim that he has been onto one scum and the lynch of another. The more I look at it I think he is today's play.
I'm also quite suspicious of Snaps, for the reason Bookitty has mentioned and I have just been getting this underlying gut thing with him. Everytime I read his post, a piece of me is like "why haven't I lynched him yet" It reminds me of the way I had pondered in my off-the-internet-in-the-shower musings of Xyl, I just never had a good reason to mention Xyl other then gut which I tend to dread doing.
In short, I think snaps is scummy, but OGML seems more likely to be paired with egruntz and it's if we eliminate one scum group, it's easier to weed out the second.
As to my musings of the setup, I have been saying that there are 2 groups of 3 all game. I cannot say much more right now with out giving to much of my thought process then I'm willing right now. I can promise that it will make sense in time, as most things do.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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@ Backflip, Did anyone notice scum died Night 1? Well I did. Do you know what happens when scum die? It gives the town context. Why does context matters? Same reason why my flip flop of egruntz is considered scummy now when it wasn't then. "OMG he changed his opinion on a mafia member, he must of bussed him" No one would have gave a damn or even brought up my change of opinion.
The reason is that I thought that he very well could have been scum due to his interactions with Xyl, since Xyl was scum and egruntz was under the gun, I used context to assume his lurking was scum-related.Sometimes a sandwich is just a sandwich.-
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PJ. Hell in a Cell
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PJ. Hell in a Cell
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